Severe Discussing Frost's Firing

[skersker]

@alt f4 and Waterboy confirmed that Frost was basically on-time for and did not miss any of the actual timed practices, so I'm leaning towards this actually being Frost being late for meetings & activities prior to the timed practice.

there were a couple practices in the spring he was not on time for. would disregard waterboy here

 

[skersker]

he also showed up to a kids football camp this summer for about 10 minutes, spoke, and left. dudes a douche bag of the highest order and always has been

 

[djw004]

He also said Frsot wasn't there when he didn't need to be, that's his opinion.

He then assumed Frost was doing work when he wasn't there, a biased opinion giving him the benefit of doubt.

I'd say go back and listen to Trevs pressers since he got here, he was trying to send a message. That would support the Frost being lazy, undisciplined, etc more so than 2 of his buddies on the internet

I mean - Technically everything to fill in the blanks will be a biased opinion/assumption.

You are choosing to listen to half of Turd's firing presser because it fills your narrative better. He said grinder/no hobbies/detail oriented. He also was very clear - I am not saying that Scott wasn't those things. I agree with you - if you're saying that it PROBABLY means the guy you just fired 4 hours ago wasn't those things to an extent.

But, everyone's take is filling in the blanks that are based on biases we each carry. Waterboy and @alt f4 actually interacted with HCSF at least in terms of being in the room. You haven't. That doesn't mean they carry water for him. That means they have a few years of interaction with him that points them somewhere else.

 

[Jim14510]

I believe Benning over waterboy every day of the week.

Depends what it is. Any analysis whatsoever and obviously DB has way more experience and knowledge. Whether Frost is late for practice or not I'm siding with waterboy. Just need eyes for that.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

I don't doubt that Frost did plenty of shitty things as a coach, but some of this shit borders on we didn't do squats territory. I mean shit, I'd love it if he was such a train wreck haven't a functional human wearing the headset instantly flips things around.

 

[Jim14510]

Are you talking about the firing presser?

Turd since hired has repeatedly spoken on those things, you don't think those were do to inside issues in the AD/FB team?

Turd doesn't seem one to mince words/talk without meaning/thought.

Yeah I'm just talking about the press conference. I agree Turd doesn't seem one to mince words. He was asked for what traits he wanted to see in a coach. Knowing the media/people were going to assume Frost didn't have those traits he came back and said "I'm not saying Frost doesn't have those things. Frost worked hard blah blah blah."

I'm not sure there was another time Turd said anything along those lines to imply Frost wasn't doing those things. If he did I forgot or missed it.

 

[Jim14510]

Doesn't really contradict waterboy and @alt f4 if we're talking about missing meetings and activities that are technically pre-practice. Just extremely unlikely that Severe is going to twist "not putting in enough hours" into "late for practice", and unlikely that he'd even say anything unless it came from someone legit.

That was pretty much my point other than what does that mean? We've all worked with those people that show up 15 minutes early, takes exactly 1 hour for lunch and leaves at 5:00. They also sit there taking mental note of who shows up at 8:03 and who takes an hour and 10 minutes for lunch, who leaves at 4:58.

That same person accomplishes 3 times the amount of work because the other person is spending all day worried about what other people are doing.

 

[Jim14510]

I don't doubt that Frost did plenty of shitty things as a coach, but some of this shit borders on we didn't do squats territory. I mean shit, I'd love it if he was such a train wreck haven't a functional human wearing the headset instantly flips things around.

We all expected it but we're definitely here. All the media including the sunshine pumpers (not implying DB was a sunshine pumper) coming out with what Frost did wrong. They can speak freely now. It's annoying that they aren't this direct when he's still the coach.

 

[dsbigred1]

I think there will be a lot of airing of dirty laundry, rumors, etc. for a while. I was for this firing for basically 3 years, but I really don’t care about any of this stuff. It no longer matters. The right decision was made, whether at the right time or not doesn’t matter at this point.
There is now legitimate hope for improvement, and going through all this crap is just soap opera stuff that doesn’t make anything better, and will likely just anger people even more.

 

[ChocaEgg]

That was pretty much my point other than what does that mean? We've all worked with those people that show up 15 minutes early, takes exactly 1 hour for lunch and leaves at 5:00. They also sit there taking mental note of who shows up at 8:03 and who takes an hour and 10 minutes for lunch, who leaves at 4:58.

That same person accomplishes 3 times the amount of work because the other person is spending all day worried about what other people are doing.

HC at a blueblood school is one of those professions where you need to lead from the front, you need to set an example. You've gotta be first in and last out, especially if you're coaching for your job. Showing up late for meetings or activities and potentially missing them altogether is a big no-no. Players notice that shit, other coaches notice that shit. If the head man doesn't give a flying fuck, why should they?

 

[Jay Bilzerian]

That was pretty much my point other than what does that mean? We've all worked with those people that show up 15 minutes early, takes exactly 1 hour for lunch and leaves at 5:00. They also sit there taking mental note of who shows up at 8:03 and who takes an hour and 10 minutes for lunch, who leaves at 4:58.

That same person accomplishes 3 times the amount of work because the other person is spending all day worried about what other people are doing.

Based on his body or work the last three years it’s safe to say that frost isn’t accomplishing 3x work of anyone involved in the program. 1/3x seems more likely.

 

[Jim14510]

HC at a blueblood school is one of those professions where you need to lead from the front, you need to set an example. You've gotta be first in and last out, especially if you're coaching for your job. Showing up late for meetings or activities and potentially missing them altogether is a big no-no. Players notice that shit, other coaches notice that shit. If the head man doesn't give a flying fuck, why should they?

I don't disagree with your premise and I'm not trying to imply that Frost is the hardest working mother fucker in the P5. I'm just trying to say that perspective matters.

Losing brings everything into the light. If you're losing you're doing something/multiple things wrong. Frost could be putting in 14 hour days every day and assistant coach is putting in 14 1/2 and be pissed that Frost isn't putting in 15. On the flip side Frost could be showing up at 7:55 and leaving at 2.

I don't know who the information is coming from and the only first hand account in this situation says he isn't late for practice. So what we do know is Frost is there by 8 every morning. Never late for actual practice.

Anything else is coming from someone that heard it from someone else. Doesn't mean they're wrong. Doesn't mean they're right.

 

[Jim14510]

Based on his body or work the last three years it’s safe to say that frost isn’t accomplishing 3x work of anyone involved in the program. 1/3x seems more likely.

Yeah I was more dogging on that employee that worries about everyone else than trying to make a correlation from what Frost was accomplishing.

Those kind of people drive me nuts. I have one of those employees. Bitches all the time about another employee that doesn't keep regular hours but does about 1/3 of the work of that person.

 

[Nelsonj22]

You are choosing to listen to half of Turd's firing presser because it fills your narrative better. He said grinder/no hobbies/detail oriented.

Turd has been bringing up those things WAY before the firing presser, shit IIRC he talked about those thing in his first presser and in atleast 2 more throughout last season.

Actually I put near zero weight into what he said in the firing presser.

 

[Nelsonj22]

Depends what it is. Any analysis whatsoever and obviously DB has way more experience and knowledge. Whether Frost is late for practice or not I'm siding with waterboy. Just need eyes for that.

I haven't been on here a whole long time but is this waterboy fella reliable?

If it's all fluff and rainbows without discussing any of the major issues inside the program than he is no different than Dean or Sipp.

Anyone with eyes should have seen the issues, sure sounds like most the others did. DB has been fairly cryptic over the last 2-3 years, tho he got thrown under the bus and accused of being an Cockeye fan.

 

[Nelsonj22]

Yeah I'm just talking about the press conference. I agree Turd doesn't seem one to mince words. He was asked for what traits he wanted to see in a coach. Knowing the media/people were going to assume Frost didn't have those traits he came back and said "I'm not saying Frost doesn't have those things. Frost worked hard blah blah blah."

I'm not sure there was another time Turd said anything along those lines to imply Frost wasn't doing those things. If he did I forgot or missed it.

25 min mark he rambles for a couple minutes. Maybe he is only talking about his AD dept but seems he's talking about Husker football (could 100% be my bias)

27:52 IMO he is going in dry on Frost and especially with the "they don't make excuses" remark.

When I get a little more time I'll find the others. It was consistent iirc

 

[ChocaEgg]

I haven't been on here a whole long time but is this waterboy fella reliable?

If it's all fluff and rainbows without discussing any of the major issues inside the program than he is no different than Dean or Sipp.

Anyone with eyes should have seen the issues, sure sounds like most the others did. DB has been fairly cryptic over the last 2-3 years, tho he got thrown under the bus and accused of being an Cockeyes fan.

Yeah, he's reliable. He tended to be wayyy too optimistic when evaluating how good our team was going to be, but he's legit.

 

[Nelsonj22]

Yeah, he's reliable. He tended to be wayyy too optimistic when evaluating how good our team was going to be, but he's legit.

Did he post any critical stuff or just the optimistic?

There had to be signs of the shit show we have seen the last 5 years

 

[Jim14510]

I haven't been on here a whole long time but is this waterboy fella reliable?

If it's all fluff and rainbows without discussing any of the major issues inside the program than he is no different than Dean or Sipp.

Anyone with eyes should have seen the issues, sure sounds like most the others did. DB has been fairly cryptic over the last 2-3 years, tho he got thrown under the bus and accused of being an Cockeyes fan.

I have no reason to doubt waterboy is at practice. I also have no reason to doubt he has eyes. Although from the description of some of his girlfriends from @kenyanfeline I do question how well his eyes work.

As far as issues waterboy has no other exposure to college coaches/programs. He may think Frost works hard but in comparison to other P5 coaches he's lazy. I never relied on waterboys opinions of a well run practice/program. Not even sure he gave one. He gave some opinions but not very often. Mostly it was just information about who is running with 1's, who looks good compared to others on the team, etc.

@alt f4 does have experience and expressed some concerns from time to time about coaching styles (mostly assistants that I remember). I never got the impression from him that Frost was lazy. I can't say whether he feels that way or not. He can answer that himself if he wants.

What I was getting at is they know whether Frost showed up for actual practice on time or not and they say he wasn't ever late that they remember. That's not an opinion. It only requires eyeballs and how to read a clock.

 

[RedSeaRising]

Did he post any critical stuff or just the optimistic?

There had to be signs of the shit show we have seen the last 5 years

He's a young kid, idk about you but I'm not one to lend too much credence to the observations of a 20 year old.