Severe Discussing Frost's Firing

[Nelsonj22]

It would be impossible to make it to year 5 without showing up on time to practice. I know we're in the crapper here, but that 🐐 3-9 team last year would have looked much worse if that were the case.

Because the HC is late?

I think you give him too much credit, if all the coaches were late I'd say this is correct.

Schaefer(sp) over on TOS basically confirmed this as accurate over the last 9 months.

 

[Nelsonj22]

So 2 people with direct access to practice dispute what Severe says. Not sure why he would lie about it other than to create drama and try to gain listeners. Media alone in this state has to be one of the biggest negatives of the job.

Hmm maybe those guys that have access are Frosts buddies?

The one assumes he's working and admits he's not at practice "when he's not needed".

See how he placed the benefit of doubt with Frost?

 

[kenyanfeline]

According to one of those guys meetings took place prior to the practice. Maybe that is what Frost missed or was late for? Some people might not make the distinction between the meetings and the actual on-field stuff.

Both people also mentioned that he wasn't always out there for the warmups and other activities that took place technically 'before' the practice began. Isn't that a little odd? I would expect the HC to be there for all meetings and pre-practice activities.

Asked Waterboy why he thought Severe is saying this and a couple people in this thread have nailed it.

Waterboy doesn’t know what Frost is doing during warmups, but assumes he’s doing something important and football related because he generally liked Frost and assumes the best.

Whereas a disgruntled player burried on the depth chart may say “WTF, head coach is late to practice.”

Honestly my guess is that there is a major philosophical difference between Frost and the new coaches he brought in (not his guys). Those coaches expect the head coach to be on the field for warmups. Mickey for example is a “first one in, last one out” guy and much more intense, so this would tie in with what has been reported about coaches going to AD and bitching about Frost.

Honestly, Frost made his style work at UCF, and it clearly didn’t work here for whatever reason. The UCF kids bought into his laid back style. When he got here, he knew he couldn’t handle himself exactly the same way because of what was expected of him, but he was trying to be something he wasn’t. He wasn’t comfortable coaching how he thought he was supposed to be coaching and I don’t think enough of the kids ever bought in because they could sense it. This and the fishbowl led to him losing his bearings and he never got momentum going. The ship began to sink and the team couldn’t get over the hump, hired new coaches as a last ditch effort, and they didn’t mesh well. Nothing outward but you could always tell.

 

[ChocaEgg]

Because the HC is late?

I think you give him too much credit, if all the coaches were late I'd say this is correct.

Schaefer(sp) over on TOS basically confirmed this as accurate over the last 9 months.

@alt f4 and Waterboy confirmed that Frost was basically on-time for and did not miss any of the actual timed practices, so I'm leaning towards this actually being Frost being late for meetings & activities prior to the timed practice.

 

[Nelsonj22]

Could be that he's not in the building when they do position meetings etc and someone like Mickey says fuck that. HC should be the first one there and last one gone.

That turns into Frost is late.

Notice Turd repeatedly talking about his HCs being "grinders/not having hobbies/detail oriented".

Those were all shot across the bow, and further support the OP

 

[Jim14510]

Notice Turd repeatedly talking about his HCs being "grinders/not having hobbies/detail oriented".

Those were all shot across the bow, and further support the OP

He also said "he's not saying Frost isn't those things because he was".

 

[ChocaEgg]

Hmm maybe those guys that have access are Frosts buddies?

The one assumes he's working and admits he's not at practice "when he's not needed".

See how he placed the benefit of doubt with Frost?

Ehh, I don't doubt their credibility. Both are very legit and have zero reason to BS us. I wouldn't describe them as Frost buddies at all.

 

[kchusker1423]

Frost made it work at UCF because he wasn't surrounded externally by "Yes men" taking advantage of their new buddy's job. The thing about Frost coming back here is he put himself back into an environment where he thought he could have his cake and eat it, too. Nebraska isn't going to be good if it hires a coach who isn't 100 percent focused on making Nebraska the best it can be. And even if they do hire a coach who is, it isn't guaranteed to work (see Solich, Frank; Callahan, Bill and Pelini, Bo).

 

[kchusker1423]

Honestly, Frost made his style work at UCF, and it clearly didn’t work here for whatever reason. The UCF kids bought into his laid back style. When he got here, he knew he couldn’t handle himself exactly the same way because of what was expected of him, but he was trying to be something he wasn’t. He wasn’t comfortable coaching how he thought he was supposed to be coaching and I don’t think enough of the kids ever bought in because they could sense it. This and the fishbowl led to him losing his bearings and he never got momentum going. The ship began to sink and the team couldn’t get over the hump, hired new coaches as a last ditch effort, and they didn’t mesh well. Nothing outward but you could always tell.

What was his style at UCF? What does laid back mean?

Do you think even if he was comfortable enough to employ that style at Nebraska it would work in the Big 10? I don't think it would work in the Big 10, SEC, or hell even the ACC.

 

[Nelsonj22]

Asked Waterboy why he thought Severe is saying this and a couple people in this thread have nailed it.

Waterboy doesn’t know what Frost is doing during warmups, but assumes he’s doing something important and football related because he generally liked Frost and assumes the best.

Whereas a disgruntled player burried on the depth chart may say “WTF, head coach is late to practice.”

Honestly my guess is that there is a major philosophical difference between Frost and the new coaches he brought in (not his guys). Those coaches expect the head coach to be on the field for warmups. Mickey for example is a “first one in, last one out” guy and much more intense, so this would tie in with what has been reported about coaches going to AD and bitching about Frost.

Honestly, Frost made his style work at UCF, and it clearly didn’t work here for whatever reason. The UCF kids bought into his laid back style. When he got here, he knew he couldn’t handle himself exactly the same way because of what was expected of him, but he was trying to be something he wasn’t. He wasn’t comfortable coaching how he thought he was supposed to be coaching and I don’t think enough of the kids ever bought in because they could sense it. This and the fishbowl led to him losing his bearings and he never got momentum going. The ship began to sink and the team couldn’t get over the hump, hired new coaches as a last ditch effort, and they didn’t mesh well. Nothing outward but you could always tell.

DB put out there that his "friends" that he got tied up with when he got back royally fucked him and pulled Frost into the BS.

Used that as a reason why DB wasn't going to "lay out and wack him".

I'd says there's more going on there than some of the Frost apologists admit.

 

[ChocaEgg]

What was his style at UCF? What does laid back mean?

Do you think even if he was comfortable enough to employ that style at Nebraska it would work in the Big 10? I don't think it would work in the Big 10, SEC, or hell even the ACC.

I think his style would work in any conference if he surrounds himself with a good, experienced staff and learns to trust & enjoy working with him. The problem here was the people around him (friends, boosters, etc), his off-field lifestyle, and a G5 staff chock full of yes-men. No accountability.

 

[Red Finger]

Asked Waterboy why he thought Severe is saying this and a couple people in this thread have nailed it.

Waterboy doesn’t know what Frost is doing during warmups, but assumes he’s doing something important and football related because he generally liked Frost and assumes the best.

Whereas a disgruntled player burried on the depth chart may say “WTF, head coach is late to practice.”

Honestly my guess is that there is a major philosophical difference between Frost and the new coaches he brought in (not his guys). Those coaches expect the head coach to be on the field for warmups. Mickey for example is a “first one in, last one out” guy and much more intense, so this would tie in with what has been reported about coaches going to AD and bitching about Frost.

Honestly, Frost made his style work at UCF, and it clearly didn’t work here for whatever reason. The UCF kids bought into his laid back style. When he got here, he knew he couldn’t handle himself exactly the same way because of what was expected of him, but he was trying to be something he wasn’t. He wasn’t comfortable coaching how he thought he was supposed to be coaching and I don’t think enough of the kids ever bought in because they could sense it. This and the fishbowl led to him losing his bearings and he never got momentum going. The ship began to sink and the team couldn’t get over the hump, hired new coaches as a last ditch effort, and they didn’t mesh well. Nothing outward but you could always tell.

Or he just completely mismanaged the situation, did a bad job, and wasn't fit to be here. You're always willing to explain away something for Scottie though. I've read it in your underground reports for years. One of the worst statistical coaches in college football history....it was nothing short of a mismanaged trainwreck that set the program back.

Damon Benning is on 1620 right now giving credibility to Severe. I believe Benning over waterboy every day of the week.

 

[Nelsonj22]

@alt f4 and Waterboy confirmed that Frost was basically on-time for and did not miss any of the actual timed practices, so I'm leaning towards this actually being Frost being late for meetings & activities prior to the timed practice.

He also said Frsot wasn't there when he didn't need to be, that's his opinion.

He then assumed Frost was doing work when he wasn't there, a biased opinion giving him the benefit of doubt.

I'd say go back and listen to Trevs pressers since he got here, he was trying to send a message. That would support the Frost being lazy, undisciplined, etc more so than 2 of his buddies on the internet

 

[Nelsonj22]

He also said "he's not saying Frost isn't those things because he was".

Are you talking about the firing presser?

Turd since hired has repeatedly spoken on those things, you don't think those were do to inside issues in the AD/FB team?

Turd doesn't seem one to mince words/talk without meaning/thought.

 

[kchusker1423]

I think his style would work in any conference if he surrounds himself with a good, experienced staff and learns to trust & enjoy working with him. The problem here was the people around him (friends, boosters, etc), his off-field lifestyle, and a G5 staff chock full of yes-men. No accountability.

What's his style? No one has answered that yet... Because to me it seems that surrounding himself (insulating?) with people that agree with him is his style. The fact that he balked at bringing in outsiders to this staff seems to confirm it. So, to me, if he wants to be successful in a bigger conference, he would have to change his "style."

 

[ChocaEgg]

He also said Frsot wasn't there when he didn't need to be, that's his opinion.

He then assumed Frost was doing work when he wasn't there, a biased opinion giving him the benefit of doubt.

I'd say go back and listen to Trevs pressers since he got here, he was trying to send a message. That would support the Frost being lazy, undisciplined, etc more so than 2 of his buddies on the internet

Yeah no disagreement there.

 

[Nelsonj22]

I think his style would work in any conference if he surrounds himself with a good, experienced staff and learns to trust & enjoy working with him. The problem here was the people around him (friends, boosters, etc), his off-field lifestyle, and a G5 staff chock full of yes-men. No accountability.

Would it tho? UCF under Frost allegedly was a very undisciplined team.

They won because they were in a junk conference and had more talent than anyone else.

And they had Milton, he was an absolute Stud pre injury

 

[Nelsonj22]

Or he just completely mismanaged the situation, did a bad job, and wasn't fit to be here. You're always willing to explain away something for Scottie though. I've read it in your underground reports for years. One of the worst statistical coaches in college football history....it was nothing short of a mismanaged trainwreck that set the program back.

Damon Benning is on 1620 right now giving credibility to Severe. I believe Benning over waterboy every day of the week.

The ones that can read people, cough cough, tried to tell everyone last year.

We were told we were reading way to much into Trevs pressers and that our hate of Frost was biasing our opinions.

Sometimes it sucks to be right.

 

[ChocaEgg]

Would it tho? UCF under Frost allegedly was a very undisciplined team.

They won because they were in a junk conference and had more talent than anyone else.

And they had Milton, he was an absolute Stud pre injury

Maybe that's true. Hard to say, we won't know until he gets another P5 gig as HC (I think he will eventually).

 

[Red Finger]

The ones that can read people, cough cough, tried to tell everyone last year.

We were told we were reading way to much into Trevs pressers and that our hate of Frost was biasing our opinions.

Sometimes it sucks to be right.

Oh there was an excuse every year. "let him get his guys in" "he's building a culture" "they're getting good transfers" "they're close" "let him get these new coaches in" blah blah blah. There's one main problem with that. There was literally ZERO tangible evidence to suggest any of it was working.