Casey rumblings

[...TrueColors...]

You don't want a maybe with the resources we have. So are you ok with keeping a no to avoid a maybe?

My thoughts on this are pretty well documented on the board.

I believe Frost’s upside to be very high. It’s also painfully obvious that his downside is extremely low.

In a world where we could test the waters without making a move and we landed on someone who we aren’t sure if he’s better than Frost, I’d give Frost more time before I put a hard ceiling on this program at 7-8 wins. Before you say “That’s better than where we are now” please acknowledge that 7-8 wins has never been the standard here. So hiring below the standards here is stupid.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

If you make a move and you miss on a proven P5 coach it’s a failure plain and simple. Back the truck up to Mike Gundy and be done with it.

Hello Mike Gundy, This is Turd... I see you are making 5 million at OSU and have reached a ceiling there. I would like to offer you 10 million to come coach at Nebraska... Where do I need to send the paperwork?

 

[Cash68847]

Callahan and Frost staffs have both been recruiting at a high level. Callahan had a much higher ceiling, but we were also a handful of years removed from playing for a Natty. Also, Billy C was just a handful of years from his super bowl run.

Frost's staff has recruited very well considering the dog shit product.

Callahan hired a DC that was meant for the B1G. If he keeps Bo he likely wins a couple conference championships.

Frost isn’t recruiting close to a level to win championships. I agree he has done pretty well considering how shitty the product has been. Callahan was on to his way of having one of the best recruiting classes in Nebraska history until he was fired.

The cover 3 guys have a formula on teams who have a legit shot at winning a natty. You need more 4-5 stars than 2-3 stars over a 4 year period or you have absolutely no shot. The only team who about crashed that formula was Oregon with Mariota. I also get you need development but teams like Wisconsin or Cockeye will never win a natty because they don’t recruit well enough. At this point championship talk probably shouldn’t even matter because most Nebraska fans would cream their pants for 9 wins and a decent bowl game.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Mickey would be a plan C or D hire in my view, but I think he was one very important quality which gives you a shot to get back and that is his recruiting prowess. With the money we are bringing in we should throw some money at some proven coaches and see if we can get bite.

The best path forward is if Frost’s trajectory begins to go up this year.

What I don’t have the patience for is an AD thinking he can see something everyone else has missed and makes a hire that makes absolutely zero sense and is clearly beneath this place. Surely we can all agree.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

My thoughts on this are pretty well documented on the board.

I believe Frost’s upside to be very high. It’s also painfully obvious that his downside is extremely low.

In a world where we could test the waters without making a move and we landed on someone who we aren’t sure if he’s better than Frost, I’d give Frost more time before I put a hard ceiling on this program at 7-8 wins. Before you say “That’s better than where we are now” please acknowledge that 7-8 wins has never been the standard here. So hiring below the standards here is stupid.

Thanks

 

[Cash68847]

I think Monken would change his ways on offense. Keep the core values he has, but change up the way he does it... I think Mickey has a deal with Turd to be here for a long time.

That is if Mickey wants to stay here. A guy with his recruiting capabilities will be sought after.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Frost isn’t recruiting close to a level to win championships. I agree he has done pretty well considering how shitty the product has been. Callahan was on to his way of having one of the best recruiting classes in Nebraska history until he was fired.

The cover 3 guys have a formula on teams who have a legit shot at winning a natty. You need more 4-5 stars than 2-3 stars over a 4 year period or you have absolutely no shot. The only team who about crashed that formula was Oregon with Mariota. I also get you need development but teams like Wisconsin or Cockeyes will never win a natty because they don’t recruit well enough. At this point championship talk probably shouldn’t even matter because most Nebraska fans would cream their pants for 9 wins and a decent bowl game.

So what are you saying here?

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

That is if Mickey wants to stay here. A guy with his recruiting capabilities will be sought after.

Yeah, I mean he did come here with a coach who is on the hottest of hot seats.

Like I said, I think there is a high likelihood that Mickey and Turd have a deal that he will be here for the long term.

 

[Cash68847]

The best path forward is if Frost’s trajectory begins to go up this year.

What I don’t have the patience for is an AD thinking he can see something everyone else has missed and makes a hire that makes absolutely zero sense and is clearly beneath this place. Surely we can all agree.

That’s why I said Mickey being a plan C or D hire. I agree Turd needs to set his sights high, but we have seen better programs strike out with coaches and have to settle for the third, fourth, or fifth choice etc and sometimes that choice works out.

 

[Huskersballz]

Since we’re talking about coaches, if I’m Turd I’m backing the truck up to Dave Aranda and giving him whatever he wants. Thanks but no thanks to the Army guy.

 

[ChocaEgg]

My thoughts on this are pretty well documented on the board.

I believe Frost’s upside to be very high. It’s also painfully obvious that his downside is extremely low.

In a world where we could test the waters without making a move and we landed on someone who we aren’t sure if he’s better than Frost, I’d give Frost more time before I put a hard ceiling on this program at 7-8 wins. Before you say “That’s better than where we are now” please acknowledge that 7-8 wins has never been the standard here. So hiring below the standards here is stupid.

ELITE mental gymnastics. Bravo!


😎

 

[...TrueColors...]

That’s why I said Mickey being a plan C or D hire. I agree Turd needs to set his sights high, but we have seen better programs strike out with coaches and have to settle for the third, fourth, or fifth choice etc and sometimes that choice works out.

Are those instances the exception or the rule ?

 

[Cash68847]

So what are you saying here?

I’m saying we don’t have any chance at winning anything until we start recruiting significantly better. I’m also saying I don’t even know what the goal is for Husker fans these days. Is it to get back to 9 win seasons like under Bo or is it to win the BIG and get to the playoff?

 

[...TrueColors...]

I’m saying we don’t have any chance at winning anything until we start recruiting significantly better. I’m also saying I don’t even know what the goal is for Husker fans these days. Is it to get back to 9 win seasons like under Bo or is it to win the BIG and get to the playoff?

Thank you. It sounded oddly like you were attempting to find a way to justify a below standard hire.

 

[Cash68847]

Are those instances the exception or the rule ?

I would assume so, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Turd strikes out on his top choice or two. Either way you have to fire Frost if he has another losing season. If Turd makes a hire and if it’s Mickey or Gundy etc I’ll reserve judgment until they prove it. I think we both agree Turd should try to find the most proven power 5 coach he can and move on from there.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I would assume so, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Turd strikes out on his top choice or two. Either way you have to fire Frost if he has another losing season. If Turd makes a hire and if it’s Mickey or Gundy etc I’ll reserve judgment until they prove it. I think we both agree Turd should try to find the most proven power 5 coach he can and move on from there.

Mickey says all of the right things and is a rah rah guy. So he gets the message boards fired up. Most of us like one-liners from coaches in interviews and it’s a great metric to predict head coaching success.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Frost isn’t recruiting close to a level to win championships. I agree he has done pretty well considering how shitty the product has been. Callahan was on to his way of having one of the best recruiting classes in Nebraska history until he was fired.

Yes.... I am saying relative to the situations they are in they are both maximizing their recruiting abilities IYAM. Frost is recruiting along the lines of having a team similar to the 2010 team. Which that team was what I thought was what a coach could do here consistently if he had it rolling. Frost's problems are down stream of recruiting IYAM.

If Frost won the B1G west this year I think that would raise the ceiling he could recruit. As of right now I would be excited about a top 20 class considering the results.

Billy C was also coming off a pretty good year. He went to the Big 12 championship game that year. That coupled with Nebraska's success as a program in 2001 and Bills success with the Raiders was a proof of concept. You have that you can recruit at a higher level. That is why Bill could recruit some of the best classes we have witnessed post 90's.

The cover 3 guys have a formula on teams who have a legit shot at winning a natty. You need more 4-5 stars than 2-3 stars over a 4 year period or you have absolutely no shot. The only team who about crashed that formula was Oregon with Mariota. I also get you need development but teams like Wisconsin or Cockeyes will never win a natty because they don’t recruit well enough. At this point championship talk probably shouldn’t even matter because most Nebraska fans would cream their pants for 9 wins and a decent bowl game.

The championship talk doesn't matter until we are winning the west consistently. Then it is B1G championship talk... Then you need to get lucky on the QB and get in the CFP.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

So what are you saying here?

He is fucking shocked that a coach who isn't winning isn't recruiting at a championship level. He also can't understand that Bill's ceiling on recruiting was higher given that he actually won the North, Nebraska had success in 2001 playing for a Natty and he had success playing for a super bowl.

Frost's staffs have recruited at a high level considering the results.

 

[Pipe Line]

I’d be perfectly happy with Monken as HC the next day if Frost indeed fails

 

[Cash68847]

Mickey says all of the right things and is a rah rah guy. So he gets the message boards fired up. Most of us like one-liners from coaches in interviews and it’s a great metric to predict head coaching success.

I don’t care about that shit. He does have one component I like. He seems to take recruiting seriously and his results are pretty good there. That is a big part of the equation to getting back. Maybe he would he shitty head coach for all I know since we have no proof because he hasn’t done it at any level and so much other stuff goes into being a good power 5 coach. If the two choices were Gundy and Mickey I’m going with Gundy every day. I’m just saying whoever Turd names the head coach I’m not drinking any Kool-aid. I’m still in awe our two homerun hires with Frost and Fred failed as bad as they have.