Things that make me rage - Shitty OL Play

[Pipe Line]

Another question. So in this offense, does Adrian, on any given play, actually have the freedom to run himself, pass, or hand the ball off? Or are they plays specifically for running and throwing?

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Another question. So in this offense, does Adrian, on any given play, actually have the freedom to run himself, pass, or hand the ball off? Or are they plays specifically for running and throwing?

I would say most of what they do is a run concept with a box count RPO.

So first thing you need to do is read the box 7 vs 5 tells you you are running the ball on IZ.


Now say they roll into a cover 2 and cheat the apex defenders into the box more you will see Martinez pull the ball more to a concept meant to exploit the numbers advantage elsewhere. This play was an IZ with a bubble to the bottom. I know some will have an access throw to the top of the field side, but I don't think Nebraska runs that much (if at all).

So basically most of their run concepts are tagged with options to keep the defense from stacking the box. It is on the QB to get to the LOS and determine where to look on any given play.

Now where I think a lot of Martinez's carries came from last year was when we couldn't get open or find them that caused Martinez to make something happen. Now I remember @slattimer pointing out how he struggled finding guys in the NW game. Specifically Wandale over the middle IIRC. Later in the year I thought Martinez was better at getting through his reads.

Now they will run a QB dart where they like to bump motion the RB to a bubble. Martinez reads the box and either throws the bubble or runs the dart. When you had announcers calling QB draw it was actually this more times than not.

Here is a good video on it.....

 

[slattimer]

RPO fluent is the term I believe they use in the offense. A lot of their RPO game is off of the keep side of the zone. As @Faux Sean Callahan mentioned. Anytime you see a tackle pull. You can probably bet there’s some fast screen RPO. It’s one of their better RPOs IMO. They’ll package a bash sweep with sprint out on occasion too. Which they did a shit ton at UCF but haven’t seen it very much here for whatever reason. I’ll look later and see what I can dig up on their RPOs to refresh the ole memory.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

RPO fluent is the term I believe they use in the offense. A lot of their RPO game is off of the keep side of the zone. As @Faux Deab Callahan mentioned. Anytime you see a tackle pull. You can probably bet there’s some fast screen RPO. It’s one of their better RPOs IMO. They’ll package a bash sweep with sprint out on occasion too. Which they did a shit ton at UCF but haven’t seen it very much here for whatever reason. I’ll look later and see what I can dig up on their RPOs to refresh the ole memory.

Do you think they try and get more vertical in the RPO game vs using as many bubble screens?

 

[Pipe Line]

I would say most of what they do is a run concept with a box count RPO.

So first thing you need to do is read the box 7 vs 5 tells you you are running the ball on IZ.
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Now say they roll into a cover 2 and cheat the apex defenders into the box more you will see Martinez pull the ball more to a concept meant to exploit the numbers advantage elsewhere. This play was an IZ with a bubble to the bottom. I know some will have an access throw to the top of the field side, but I don't think Nebraska runs that much (if at all).

So basically most of their run concepts are tagged with options to keep the defense from stacking the box. It is on the QB to get to the LOS and determine where to look on any given play.

Now where I think a lot of Martinez's carries came from last year was when we couldn't get open or find them that caused Martinez to make something happen. Now I remember @slattimer pointing out how he struggled finding guys in the NW game. Specifically Wandale over the middle IIRC. Later in the year I thought Martinez was better at getting through his reads.

Now they will run a QB dart where they like to bump motion the RB to a bubble. Martinez reads the box and either throws the bubble or runs the dart. When you had announcers calling QB draw it was actually this more times than not.

Here is a good video on it.....

So IZ vs OZ. I think I understand IZ concept, but is OZ concept essentially the same, but literally run the ball outside the tackles? I feel like it can’t be that simple but it very well might be.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

So IZ vs OZ. I think I understand IZ concept, but is OZ concept essentially the same, but literally run the ball outside the tackles? I feel like it can’t be that simple but it very well might be.

TZ RB aim is the center
IZ RB aim is G inside leg
MZ RB aim is OT inside leg
OZ RB aim is TE inside leg or phantom TE.

Once you go past MZ (mid zone) your OLs steps change. When you get to MZ/OZ you your OL takes reach steps. You will see it start get more about horizontal movement to create a hole vs vertical movement on IZ/TZ.

 

[slattimer]

Do you think they try and get more vertical in the RPO game vs using as many bubble screens?

I don't know how much 3rd level RPOs they have. Here's a slide of the exact play that was blown up. I've got some more, but it's a lot of just play screen shots. I'd have to pull up my glazier notes from a few years ago.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I don't know how much 3rd level RPOs they have. Here's a slide of the exact play that was blown up. I've got some more, but it's a lot of just play screen shots. I'd have to pull up my glazier notes from a few years ago.
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What do they have to take care of the will backer? Seems ass backwards to have something for the sam, but not the will.

 

[slattimer]

What do they have to take care of the will backer? Seems ass backwards to have something for the sam, but not the will.

#2 on the give side is supposed to dig him out.

 

[HuskerDocCo]

#2 on the give side is supposed to dig him out.

I still remember in the mlpfc you let me pick an offensive play for your team. Believe it was a fb dive that got like 2 yards. Mucho grande respect for you lat,
So glad you are here w your football intelligence

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I still remember in the mlpfc you let me pick an offensive play for your team. Believe it was a fb dive that got like 2 yards. Mucho grande respect for you lat,
So glad you are here w your football intelligence

You can't possibly be worse than Frost at playcalling

 

[HuskerDocCo]

You can't possibly be worse than Frost at playcalling

True story 🤣 i dont fluff stuff like TOS BW

 

[Baron Winnebago]

True story 🤣 i dont fluff stuff like TOS BW

If you're trying to take a shot at me, I'll give you a resounding ok.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

You dumb sob

 

[HuskerDocCo]

If you're trying to take a shot at me, I'll give you a resounding ok.

Lol, how would you get that from what I posted?

 

[HuskerDocCo]

You dumb sob

We say sonofabitch here

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Lol, how would you get that from what I posted?

Been drinking. I no read well.

Thought you were accusing me of fluffing stuff on RSS. Rather than just observing that I (BW) don't fluff stuff.

See drinking.

 

[BluesBucksNHuskers]

Damn nice thread guys, I love this shit.

I sat in Rush Probst’s office for 2 days straight while he was at Colquitt County in GA while I was hardwiring an instant replay system for him and asking him dumbass questions trying to wrap my head around different OL assignments, what they see from defenses and RPO stuff and every time I think I’m catching on there’s another layer to the onion and I feel like a big ole idiot again.

The lack of understanding I have for it just infuriates me more on RSS when people grill Frosts playcalling (not trying to defend frosts results) and I just want to shake people and say “If you knew .001% as much as you think you know you’d understand how stupid we are at this stuff”

 

[Pipe Line]

Damn nice thread guys, I love this shit.

I sat in Rush Probst’s office for 2 days straight while he was at Colquitt County in GA while I was hardwiring an instant replay system for him and asking him dumbass questions trying to wrap my head around different OL assignments, what they see from defenses and RPO stuff and every time I think I’m catching on there’s another layer to the onion and I feel like a big ole idiot again.

The lack of understanding I have for it just infuriates me more on RSS when people grill Frosts playcalling (not trying to defend frosts results) and I just want to shake people and say “If you knew .001% as much as you think you know you’d understand how stupid we are at this stuff”

Exactly why I've only questioned play calling like twice. And both times have been in he red zone.

 

[Pipe Line]

TZ RB aim is the center
IZ RB aim is G inside leg
MZ RB aim is OT inside leg
OZ RB aim is TE inside leg or phantom TE.

Once you go past MZ (mid zone) your OLs steps change. When you get to MZ/OZ you your OL takes reach steps. You will see it start get more about horizontal movement to create a hole vs vertical movement on IZ/TZ.

TZ meaning "Tight Zone"?