Things that make me rage - Shitty OL Play

[slattimer]

Is this a coaching issue? Players are idiots, or a little of both? Missed assignments up front have consistently plagued this team.

I'd say a little of both...and I preface this by saying I really like GA...but his did not perform well and do some things where you just scratch your head. Those double teams in the first set up pics are flat fucking awful. I get it, it's game 2 for them, but even then, that's JH level double teams. If I was smart enough to take the video clip I have and split it so I didn't have screen shots, those would be easier to post.

 

[Snockered69]

Based off the still photo and other photos IMO no one did their job well including Martinez. Best play with the alignment given is an audible to a swing pass to the inside trip receiver with the two outside guys blocking. Defender appears to be late (safety over top) and outside WR's have angles to block the corners.

IMO idk how reasonable it is for Piper to climb to the LB about 7 yards away from him and a DT lined up over him. QB has to read that on zone. He also should read that they specifically lined up taking away outside zone run on this play.

 

[Pipe Line]

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There are many ways to block up zone, I've used a count before, have gone away from it personally in my teaching, but I really like the count in terms of knowing who to block.

In general, the count method goes like this, the count tells you "who you're responsible for and double teaming" If your number is a DL, you zone base block, possible help, if your number is a LB, zone combo to your number. Now there is a myriad of shit that can happen, but that's the jist of it.
PST has +2, PSG has +1, C has 0, BSG has -1, BST has -2, Read player is -3 or -4, depending on TE. TE's always have +3 or -3.

In the situation below, they've got 7 defenders for 6 blockers, even IMO when you read a defender. You're covered. The problems, they have 4 to the frontside and we have only 3 blockers. No bueno. So the center has to push the count, which basically means, move all of your numbers +1, or you just say fuck it, we'll just double to the next LB, that's easier IMO and what we did. In the screen shots, they didn't do that or didn't do whatever is in their system to account for an unblocked defender frontside. And that's the type of shit that is unacceptable to me. You can't fuck those things up.
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I have a million questions but I'll just be humble in saying I don't know enough to waste your time with all of them. I really do appreciate your response. I'll read the rest of your comments to learn! The extent of my knowledge in offensive football is pre-spread about 2005, towards the end of the I-Formation days. FWIW, I love me some hat on hat whose got a bigger dick in the trenches kind of blocking.

 

[Bootleg11]

I'd say a little of both...and I preface this by saying I really like GA...but his did not perform well and do some things where you just scratch your head. Those double teams in the first set up pics are flat fucking awful. I get it, it's game 2 for them, but even then, that's JH level double teams. If I was smart enough to take the video clip I have and split it so I didn't have screen shots, those would be easier to post.

Also vs a defense that gave everybody fits. But ya not good.

 

[Bootleg11]

Here's another one, and this one IMO isn't so much on the OL but more as a play-caller. This probably gives Bootleg a chubby. But you've got to have a plan for this fucking TE stunt if teams set their 3 away from the back. And I felt like watching the NW game this year, they killed us with this stunt.

Basically on Jaimes's side, he gets picked by the 3 tech and the 5 tech comes in Scott free and makes the tackle. It's a real motherfucker of a stunt vs IZ & TZ. They're playing 5 in the box vs Zone Lock and just kicking our ass and getting free hitters at the LOS.
Here comes the TE Stunt....Big Farny unaware, not his fault though.

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Big Farny climbs, as he should, and here comes the free hitter...
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And POW, TFL or No gain, vs 5 in the box, and you can't get your perimeter game going because the numbers aren't there....They're fucking winning the game of 5 on 7....and that's why we suck ball sack on offense.
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This is brutal. Why are they trying to even run that into that 3? NW defense...so well prepared/coached.

Is this 2x2 or 3x1?

 

[slattimer]

This is brutal. Why are they trying to even run that into that 3? NW defense...so well prepared/coached.

Is this 2x2 or 3x1?

2x2, wide split to one side. It's almost like...they knew zone lock would be called with splits damn near to the numbers by both receivers...Fucking tendencies...

 

[slattimer]

Based off the still photo and other photos IMO no one did their job well including Martinez. Best play with the alignment given is an audible to a swing pass to the inside trip receiver with the two outside guys blocking. Defender appears to be late (safety over top) and outside WR's have angles to block the corners.

IMO idk how reasonable it is for Piper to climb to the LB about 7 yards away from him and a DT lined up over him. QB has to read that on zone. He also should read that they specifically lined up taking away outside zone run on this play.

AM isn't throwing a perimeter screen into this look. Stills aren't great to make a full assumption,

And That LB is a box player, you have to account for him...or he makes unblocked tackles. The QB doesn't read the +LB on a zone run. And they weren't taking OZ away. The Look the defense gave is advantageous to the offense IMO. You have 6 blockers vs 7 defenders. You're even essentially when you read the DE. They didn't push the count and it screwed them. And it's completely reasonable for a division one OL to be able to adjust to a spiking defender, pass him off to his uncovered teammate, and climb to his responsibility without getting stuck on his DL and letting an unblocked dude come in for a free shot.

 

[slattimer]

Also, we use TEs a lot, and they pretty much suck at blocking. Bad.

 

[Snockered69]

AM isn't throwing a perimeter screen into this look. Stills aren't great to make a full assumption,

And That LB is a box player, you have to account for him...or he makes unblocked tackles. The QB doesn't read the +LB on a zone run. And they weren't taking OZ away. The Look the defense gave is advantageous to the offense IMO. You have 6 blockers vs 7 defenders. You're even essentially when you read the DE. They didn't push the count and it screwed them. And it's completely reasonable for a division one OL to be able to adjust to a spiking defender, pass him off to his uncovered teammate, and climb to his responsibility without getting stuck on his DL and letting an unblocked dude come in for a free shot.
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Won't claim to be an expert on blocking technique, I just saw this originally.

 

[slattimer]

Won't claim to be an expert on blocking technique, I just saw this originally.View attachment 1823

Yeah, I get what you saw originally. But they aren't throwing that regardless. They've got 3 over 3 under the hard deck (7 yards), if one was about it, then yeah. By time they snap the ball, the look is a lot different.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Have to watch more from this year, but my initial opinion from drunkenly watching games...he's not very good.

I question how much was injury vs not very good..... I was watching him during the Ohio State game thinking he was going to be a very good player and then never saw that again. From my experience playing with a turf toe as an OL sucks. I kept reinjuring it when I went to plant.

I think Frankly he has the athletic ability, but playing him early screwed him up.

 

[Bootleg11]

I think while we can all agree the offense has stunk. We also have to remember that this was vs Northwestern. They make you look even worse. And until Nebraska can find a way to get weapons on the perimeter and get those weapons the ball (whether vertically or in space) then we are going to continue to see this brand of offense struggle. And really struggle vs good defenses.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Got some access to Nebraska's All-22s from this year. Bored and looking at some of it. Nothing like seeing things that make you rage out of the get-go. Straight rustles the fuck out of my jim jams.

Play #1 - Inside Zone - Trips TE Over Set. No TE, Have to push the point +1, Obviously doesn't happen as you'll see, we turn a dude free. Dumb.
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DL spikes a gap, and we're shitting our pants already.
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For fuck's sake, look at these shitty fucking double teams. For a division 1 football team, this is pathetic.
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Free Hitter in the box. Austin Allen gets thrown - WEEEEE. Double teams still suck donkey balls. Piper completely sucks on this one.
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Look here, 2 unblocked dudes (1 being the read player) tackling our RB for a 1 yard gain....
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What is the difference between IZ and a DUO? To me this seems like DUO vs IZ, but I will defer to you

 

[slattimer]

I think while we can all agree the offense has stunk. We also have to remember that this was vs Northwestern. They make you look even worse. And until Nebraska can find a way to get weapons on the perimeter and get those weapons the ball (whether vertically or in space) then we are going to continue to see this brand of offense struggle. And really struggle vs good defenses.

This is true. I'll find some stuff from other games as well.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

By alignment alone you know they are going stunt to the TE

Their stunts butt fucked our OL. It basically allowed them to play a light box and stop our run game.

 

[Bootleg11]

Their stunts butt fucked our OL. It basically allowed them to play a light box and stop our run game.

Their defense was pretty exceptional. Paddy was such a dude. I’ll be curious to see how they look next year. New DC and surely that guy is going pro?

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

There are many ways to block up zone, I've used a count before, have gone away from it personally in my teaching, but I really like the count in terms of knowing who to block.

In general, the count method goes like this, the count tells you "who you're responsible for and double teaming" If your number is a DL, you zone base block, possible help, if your number is a LB, zone combo to your number. Now there is a myriad of shit that can happen, but that's the jist of it.
PST has +2, PSG has +1, C has 0, BSG has -1, BST has -2, Read player is -3 or -4, depending on TE. TE's always have +3 or -3.

In the situation below, they've got 7 defenders for 6 blockers, even IMO when you read a defender. You're covered. The problems, they have 4 to the frontside and we have only 3 blockers. No bueno. So the center has to push the count, which basically means, move all of your numbers +1, or you just say fuck it, we'll just double to the next LB, that's easier IMO and what we did. In the screen shots, they didn't do that or didn't do whatever is in their system to account for an unblocked defender frontside. And that's the type of shit that is unacceptable to me. You can't fuck those things up.
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As RB you are pretty much guaranteed to bend this back correct?

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Their defense was pretty exceptional. Paddy was such a dude. I’ll be curious to see how they look next year. New DC and surely that guy is going pro?

Nope coming back for a 12 year senior.
















No he is a day 3 guy last I heard in the draft. Jay Foreman was very impressed after this game. He was so impressed with all the techniques he played with and how well he executed them. I think the big thing he has working against him is he is viewed as a liability in coverage in the NFL.

Their scheme was very interesting. They killed us with that pirate stunt and Paddy just cleaned up. They didn't have as talented of a DL, but I think the scheme maximized it.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Here's another one, and this one IMO isn't so much on the OL but more as a play-caller. This probably gives Bootleg a chubby. But you've got to have a plan for this fucking TE stunt if teams set their 3 away from the back. And I felt like watching the NW game this year, they killed us with this stunt.

Basically on Jaimes's side, he gets picked by the 3 tech and the 5 tech comes in Scott free and makes the tackle. It's a real motherfucker of a stunt vs IZ & TZ. They're playing 5 in the box vs Zone Lock and just kicking our ass and getting free hitters at the LOS. Yuck.
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Here comes the TE Stunt....Big Farny unaware, not his fault though.

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Big Farny climbs, as he should, and here comes the free hitter...
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And POW, TFL or No gain, vs 5 in the box, and you can't get your perimeter game going because the numbers aren't there....They're fucking winning the game of 5 on 7....and that's why we suck ball sack on offense.
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So what is the counter punch to a team that likes that pirate stunt? Do you go with a Mid zone? Do you flip your back? Do you go pistol?

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I think while we can all agree the offense has stunk. We also have to remember that this was vs Northwestern. They make you look even worse. And until Nebraska can find a way to get weapons on the perimeter and get those weapons the ball (whether vertically or in space) then we are going to continue to see this brand of offense struggle. And really struggle vs good defenses.

I mean NW finished #1 in pass defense efficiency and top 5 in overall efficiency.