Things that make me rage - Shitty OL Play (2 Viewers)

[slattimer]

Got some access to Nebraska's All-22s from this year. Bored and looking at some of it. Nothing like seeing things that make you rage out of the get-go. Straight rustles the fuck out of my jim jams.

Play #1 - Inside Zone - Trips TE Over Set. No TE, Have to push the point +1, Obviously doesn't happen as you'll see, we turn a dude free. Dumb.

DL spikes a gap, and we're shitting our pants already.

For fuck's sake, look at these shitty fucking double teams. For a division 1 football team, this is pathetic.

Free Hitter in the box. Austin Allen gets thrown - WEEEEE. Double teams still suck donkey balls. Piper completely sucks on this one.

Look here, 2 unblocked dudes (1 being the read player) tackling our RB for a 1 yard gain....

 

[herbsinator]

Thank you for your insights. Can you please opine on whether Cam Jurgens is actually good or not as a center (taking snapping out of it)?

 

[slattimer]

Thank you for your insights. Can you please opine on whether Cam Jurgens is actually good or not as a center (taking snapping out of it)?

Have to watch more from this year, but my initial opinion from drunkenly watching games...he's not very good.

 

[Pipe Line]

Love learning this shit.

1. Is the top photo showing who they should be blocking?
2. Can you link something that shows what the lineman should be doing with this particular play?
3. Did anyone even do it right?

 

[Bootleg11]

Are those 3 DL slanting to the TE?

 

[Bootleg11]

Who is the right guard in this?

 

[Johannes de Silentio]

Who is the right guard in this?

This is with Matt Farniok at center for Jurgens and Boe Wilson in at RG.

 

[Fargo Husker]

Who is the right guard in this?

OL looks like Jaimes-Piper-M Farniok-B Wilson-Benhart

 

[slattimer]

Love learning this shit.

1. Is the top photo showing who they should be blocking?
2. Can you link something that shows what the lineman should be doing with this particular play?
3. Did anyone even do it right?

I drew on there what I believe they should block based on my experiences. Now it may be quite different in what they teach, I have no idea their specific system, checks, and rules.
Jaimes was about the only one IMO that did it right.

 

[slattimer]

Are those 3 DL slanting to the TE?

All-22

 

[Bootleg11]

All-22
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By alignment alone you know they are going stunt to the TE

 

[slattimer]

Love learning this shit.

1. Is the top photo showing who they should be blocking?
2. Can you link something that shows what the lineman should be doing with this particular play?
3. Did anyone even do it right?

There are many ways to block up zone, I've used a count before, have gone away from it personally in my teaching, but I really like the count in terms of knowing who to block.

In general, the count method goes like this, the count tells you "who you're responsible for and double teaming" If your number is a DL, you zone base block, possible help, if your number is a LB, zone combo to your number. Now there is a myriad of shit that can happen, but that's the jist of it.
PST has +2, PSG has +1, C has 0, BSG has -1, BST has -2, Read player is -3 or -4, depending on TE. TE's always have +3 or -3.

In the situation below, they've got 7 defenders for 6 blockers, even IMO when you read a defender. You're covered. The problems, they have 4 to the frontside and we have only 3 blockers. No bueno. So the center has to push the count, which basically means, move all of your numbers +1, or you just say fuck it, we'll just double to the next LB, that's easier IMO and what we did. In the screen shots, they didn't do that or didn't do whatever is in their system to account for an unblocked defender frontside. And that's the type of shit that is unacceptable to me. You can't fuck those things up.

 

[Bootleg11]

This is with Matt Farniok at center for Jurgens and Boe Wilson in at RG.

OL looks like Jaimes-Piper-M Farniok-B Wilson-Benhart

There’s a reason Boe Wilson is moving on

 

[Bootleg11]

There are many ways to block up zone, I've used a count before, have gone away from it personally in my teaching, but I really like the count in terms of knowing who to block.

In general, the count method goes like this, the count tells you "who you're responsible for and double teaming" If your number is a DL, you zone base block, possible help, if your number is a LB, zone combo to your number. Now there is a myriad of shit that can happen, but that's the jist of it.
PST has +2, PSG has +1, C has 0, BSG has -1, BST has -2, Read player is -3 or -4, depending on TE. TE's always have +3 or -3.

In the situation below, they've got 7 defenders for 6 blockers, even IMO when you read a defender. You're covered. The problems, they have 4 to the frontside and we have only 3 blockers. No bueno. So the center has to push the count, which basically means, move all of your numbers +1, or you just say fuck it, we'll just double to the next LB, that's easier IMO and what we did. In the screen shots, they didn't do that or didn't do whatever is in their system to account for an unblocked defender frontside. And that's the type of shit that is unacceptable to me. You can't fuck those things up.
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Once had AJ Blazek come teach us zone blocking. It was excellent

 

[cwessel76]

There are many ways to block up zone, I've used a count before, have gone away from it personally in my teaching, but I really like the count in terms of knowing who to block.

In general, the count method goes like this, the count tells you "who you're responsible for and double teaming" If your number is a DL, you zone base block, possible help, if your number is a LB, zone combo to your number. Now there is a myriad of shit that can happen, but that's the jist of it.
PST has +2, PSG has +1, C has 0, BSG has -1, BST has -2, Read player is -3 or -4, depending on TE. TE's always have +3 or -3.

In the situation below, they've got 7 defenders for 6 blockers, even IMO when you read a defender. You're covered. The problems, they have 4 to the frontside and we have only 3 blockers. No bueno. So the center has to push the count, which basically means, move all of your numbers +1, or you just say fuck it, we'll just double to the next LB, that's easier IMO and what we did. In the screen shots, they didn't do that or didn't do whatever is in their system to account for an unblocked defender frontside. And that's the type of shit that is unacceptable to me. You can't fuck those things up.
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If we can’t successfully figure out a zone scheme that works for us we are fucked.

 

[slattimer]

Once had AJ Blazek come teach us zone blocking. It was excellent

Cliffs?

I've run through a number of rules on how to do it, and pretty much have settled on the OSU tight zone model, ID Point or Odd, rules & calls based on that. I've seen a couple of different count methods, full count and LB count. Full count is excellent, but can be time consuming and not much carry over to gap scheme stuff.

 

[Bootleg11]

Cliffs?

I've run through a number of rules on how to do it, and pretty much have settled on the OSU tight zone model, ID Point or Odd, rules & calls based on that. I've seen a couple of different count methods, full count and LB count. Full count is excellent, but can be time consuming and not much carry over to gap scheme stuff.

This was 13 years ago my first and only HC job and it was all about covered/uncovered and steps. I haven’t coached offense since then so I’d have to dig up my old notebooks.
I was a finalist for a HC job last year and started putting together a playbook but opted for just gap schemes because the school where I was the finalist had always just man blocked and had always been successful.

 

[Adolph Coors]

Got some access to Nebraska's All-22s from this year. Bored and looking at some of it. Nothing like seeing things that make you rage out of the get-go. Straight rustles the fuck out of my jim jams.

Play #1 - Inside Zone - Trips TE Over Set. No TE, Have to push the point +1, Obviously doesn't happen as you'll see, we turn a dude free. Dumb.
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DL spikes a gap, and we're shitting our pants already.
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For fuck's sake, look at these shitty fucking double teams. For a division 1 football team, this is pathetic.
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Free Hitter in the box. Austin Allen gets thrown - WEEEEE. Double teams still suck donkey balls. Piper completely sucks on this one.
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Look here, 2 unblocked dudes (1 being the read player) tackling our RB for a 1 yard gain....
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wow thats bad. i think we were better in hs

 

[David Webb]

There are many ways to block up zone, I've used a count before, have gone away from it personally in my teaching, but I really like the count in terms of knowing who to block.

In general, the count method goes like this, the count tells you "who you're responsible for and double teaming" If your number is a DL, you zone base block, possible help, if your number is a LB, zone combo to your number. Now there is a myriad of shit that can happen, but that's the jist of it.
PST has +2, PSG has +1, C has 0, BSG has -1, BST has -2, Read player is -3 or -4, depending on TE. TE's always have +3 or -3.

In the situation below, they've got 7 defenders for 6 blockers, even IMO when you read a defender. You're covered. The problems, they have 4 to the frontside and we have only 3 blockers. No bueno. So the center has to push the count, which basically means, move all of your numbers +1, or you just say fuck it, we'll just double to the next LB, that's easier IMO and what we did. In the screen shots, they didn't do that or didn't do whatever is in their system to account for an unblocked defender frontside. And that's the type of shit that is unacceptable to me. You can't fuck those things up.
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Is this a coaching issue? Players are idiots, or a little of both? Missed assignments up front have consistently plagued this team.

 

[slattimer]

Here's another one, and this one IMO isn't so much on the OL but more as a play-caller. This probably gives Bootleg a chubby. But you've got to have a plan for this fucking TE stunt if teams set their 3 away from the back. And I felt like watching the NW game this year, they killed us with this stunt.

Basically on Jaimes's side, he gets picked by the 3 tech and the 5 tech comes in Scott free and makes the tackle. It's a real motherfucker of a stunt vs IZ & TZ. They're playing 5 in the box vs Zone Lock and just kicking our ass and getting free hitters at the LOS. Yuck.

Here comes the TE Stunt....Big Farny unaware, not his fault though.


Big Farny climbs, as he should, and here comes the free hitter...

And POW, TFL or No gain, vs 5 in the box, and you can't get your perimeter game going because the numbers aren't there....They're fucking winning the game of 5 on 7....and that's why we suck ball sack on offense.