Is Tom Osborne the biggest potato in Nebraska?

[kenyanfeline]

The bad luck excuse is dumb. 90% of luck in Football is self-made. You do all the little things wrong and you're going to get all the bad bounces. Periodt

That’s true.

 

[ChocaEgg]

That’s true.

 

[RedSavage]

You guys in this thread Toms ready to go... fishing or take a nap in his recliner but he's ready to go.

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Good for him for what he did for us 30 years ago but he should've stopped meddling in the affairs of both the school and state the moment he retired. He's done nothing good since.

 

[Jim14510]

The 2018 team was arguably the most talented he had.

That could be true and he could also not have much talent left from Riley. Very few made it to the NFL and the ones that did are 3rd/4th stringers/practice squad guys. Exceptions were freshman. The two Cams. Jurgens Riley already had committed CTB Frost brought in.

I think it varies by position group. If you go through you'll probably end up with more talent now than then. It's not by much though.

 

[CornFed Gregger]

If Turd doesn’t fuck up the hire, competent coaching is going to make 6 wins look pretty easy. Good coaches get the bounces cuz they’ve prepared for em.

 

[Drue629]

He's more of a Potato for all of his political shit. Talk about living in the past. He's pushed back on gambling and recreational marijuana for years now when it would do wonders for the Nebraska economy. If you look at the revenue that Colorado has got from those two things alone and what they have been able to do for their schools, parks, infostructure, etc. all while lower crime rate...

 

[MtnHusker]

Eh I have a hard time saying it wasn't hollow.... After that initial year you felt the fact that they had 2 transition classes in 3 years.

Could they have made a bowl game? I am sure, but you would have needed to overcome some fucking bad rooms. You throw that in with some dumb shit like your All Conference Kicker getting the yips your margin for error is so compressed.

Like I said the truth is in the middle. He obviously had his problems, but the luck and talent discussion didn't help.

I felt Riley inherited a much more Hollow Roster and did so much more. Bo looked much better when he had Bill Callahan's recruits and the last few years Bo's staff wasn't recruiting at a level we needed. Poor player evaluations and not enough effort in recruiting. We had 3 Walk Ons starting on the O Line because of Bo's shitty recruiting plus Riley's staff didn't have the advantage of the Transfer Portal or NIL.

 

[herbsinator]

I felt Riley inherited a much more Hollow Roster and did so much more. Bo looked much better when he had Bill Callahan's recruits and the last few years Bo's staff wasn't recruiting at a level we needed. Poor player evaluations and not enough effort in recruiting. We had 3 Walk Ons starting on the O Line because of Bo's shitty recruiting plus Riley's staff didn't have the advantage of the Transfer Portal or NIL.

Riley’s 2017 team was probably the worst Nebraska team in our lifetime. Just completely atrocious.

 

[Jim14510]

Really? The talent Forst inherited was really that bad.

See the Huskers drafted and that signed UDFA deals under Frost, the cupboards weren't bare.

Comparatively speaking most of the West has more NFL players than Nebraska from the last 5 years. Northwestern the only exception.

Currently there are 14 players in the NFL from the 2019 draft to current. One starter (Matt Farniok). 10 on the 53 (including Farniok). 4 practice squad guys. Doesn't include transfers like Wandale. Not sure if there's any others.

Cockeye in the same amount of time has 27. 7 starters, 19 on 53 man roster, 8 practice squad.

So using that comparison Cockeye was twice as talented. Over twice really considering they have 7 starters to our 1.

 

[Jim14510]

I felt Riley inherited a much more Hollow Roster and did so much more. Bo looked much better when he had Bill Callahan's recruits and the last few years Bo's staff wasn't recruiting at a level we needed. Poor player evaluations and not enough effort in recruiting. We had 3 Walk Ons starting on the O Line because of Bo's shitty recruiting plus Riley's staff didn't have the advantage of the Transfer Portal or NIL.

Riley didn't recruit shit for oline either. On paper Frosts oline recruits were pretty good. Whether he failed at development or those players were overrated I dunno. Still time for a few of them but not looking very good right now.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

That's @God is a Husker former boss and legal mentor you dumb SOBs are talking about.


Edit: thought I was in the ABM thread talking about Bruning. Baron you dumb bitch

 

[MtnHusker]

Riley didn't recruit shit for oline either. On paper Frosts oline recruits were pretty good. Whether he failed at development or those players were overrated I dunno. Still time for a few of them but not looking very good right now.

I agree, O Line recruiting under Riley was weak but overall IMHO Frost inherited a much better roster than Riley did. Pelini left the program a mess. In retrospect I think Cav might have been a better O Line coach than I gave him credit for but his recruiting was a definite weakness.

 

[Nelsonj22]

Comparatively speaking most of the West has more NFL players than Nebraska from the last 5 years. Northwestern the only exception.

Currently there are 14 players in the NFL from the 2019 draft to current. One starter (Matt Farniok). 10 on the 53 (including Farniok). 4 practice squad guys. Doesn't include transfers like Wandale. Not sure if there's any others.

Cockeyes in the same amount of time has 27. 7 starters, 19 on 53 man roster, 8 practice squad.

So using that comparison Cockeyes was twice as talented. Over twice really considering they have 7 starters to our 1.

The talent wasn't were it needed to be, and wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't 0-6 start bad.

And really it wasn't any worse than the huskers are currently, we were better at DL, LB, DB, OL, and probably TE then we currently are.

 

[ChocaEgg]

Riley didn't recruit shit for oline either. On paper Frosts oline recruits were pretty good. Whether he failed at development or those players were overrated I dunno. Still time for a few of them but not looking very good right now.

Depth on the OL wasn't good, but we had some guys that made it to the league. Farmer & Foster were Pelini guys, right? What about Farny and Jaimes?

 

[Nelsonj22]

Riley didn't recruit shit for oline either. On paper Frosts oline recruits were pretty good. Whether he failed at development or those players were overrated I dunno. Still time for a few of them but not looking very good right now.

I'd take Rileys OL over our current OL.

Shit give me fvcking utter back (nvr thought I'd type those words)

 

[ChocaEgg]

That's @God is a Husker former boss and legal mentor you dumb SOBs are talking about

 

[CornFed Gregger]

I felt Riley inherited a much more Hollow Roster and did so much more. Bo looked much better when he had Bill Callahan's recruits and the last few years Bo's staff wasn't recruiting at a level we needed. Poor player evaluations and not enough effort in recruiting. We had 3 Walk Ons starting on the O Line because of Bo's shitty recruiting plus Riley's staff didn't have the advantage of the Transfer Portal or NIL.

Riley’s first year, our starting DEs were a walk on & TE. Riley would’ve done better if he had all the transfers & NIL money they poured into frost’s team this year

 

[Nelsonj22]

Riley’s first year, our starting DEs were a walk on & TE. Riley would’ve done better if he had all the transfers & NIL money they poured into frost’s team this year

Or the undivided support and leeway to do whatever he wanted that was given to Frost.

 

[Jim14510]

I agree, O Line recruiting under Riley was weak but overall IMHO Frost inherited a much better roster than Riley did. Panini left the program a mess. In retrospect I think Cav might have been a better O Line coach than I gave him credit for but his recruiting was a definite weakness.

Hard to say. It's a whole bunch of bad. Riley only had two and a half classes. So if the argument is Bo recruiting fell off at the end that would affect Frost just as much as Riley and arguably more so. Depends where you start the falling off.

Riley's contribution to who played any significant minutes from the 2016/2017 classes. Lamar Jackson, Dismuke, Spielman, Stille, Stoll, Domann, Bootle,, Lindsey (?), Jaimes, Daniels, Austin Allen, Collin Miller, Farniok, Boe Wilson.

The 2015 class was a split of Bo and Riley recruits. Ozigbo, Dedrick Young, Mo Barry, Alex Davis, Antonio Reed were committed after Riley took over.

Eric Lee, Davis Twins, Stanley Morgan, Aaron Williams committed to Bo.

I mean Frost inherited one NFL starter and a couple backups from Riley and a couple of backups from Bo. If that's better than what Riley inherited it isn't by much.

 

[Jim14510]

I'd take Rileys OL over our current OL.

Shit give me fvcking utter back (nvr thought I'd type those words)

Most of Rileys oline were Bo's recruits.