Is Tom Osborne the biggest potato in Nebraska?

[Nelsonj22]

Are you meaning to say the talent was bad or no? Unless I'm not reading right, totally possible, you're contradicting yourself.

I'm saying the talent was adequate to at min challenge for the west. Slightly better than the talent we have now.

We would kill to have Farniok, Foster, Farmer, Stanely, Spielman and some others back on O and the Davis twins, JoJo, LJ, Bootle, and even Ole Mo Barry on D.

We don't have anyone on those players talent level at their position currently seeing playing time in year 5 of Frost.

Some of the positions like QB, and Edge rusher are better now but what else?

Here's Frost first year roster.

https://huskers.com/sports/football/roster/2018?&sort=position

 

[Mustangblood]

No, I just gave you Penn State as an example. It affected everyone. All I'm saying is TO stated something that happened that had an affect on college football and Frost specifically, that's it. If he would have used another example of a big game where the team came down with a stomach bug or something and looked terrible, then I would agree with you on it being a bad excuse. I use that as an example of our Big 12 title game flu game.

How did frost get affected worse by Covid specifically when the gophers came into town with 10 scholarship players and beat him? Sure sounds like he had it easier than a lot of teams that year but still found ways to lose.

 

[Bootleg11]

The excuses:

"I feel really bad about Scott. He had a lot of things going for him in Central Florida and then maybe he didn't have the best talent when he got here, and then the pandemic, he probably had more bad bounces than good bounces, but he's a good coach and a good person."

Objectively, I think that’s a pretty accurate statement.

I disagree completely.

In the end it falls on Scott but I did find it interesting that just about every coach hired in that cycle failed and had miserable turnover rate in their first classes. Why? That was the first year of the early signing period so none of those coaches could get a jump start on recruiting. And then 2 years later...pandemic...in your crucial 3rd year in the program.

Like I said, it doesn't absolve Frost. His team looks like same today as it did 4 years ago. But there are some reasons as to why all those 2017-18 coaching hires failed.

Arizona - Kevin Sumlin
Arizona St - Herm Edwards, I guess technically that could still work?
Arkansas - Chad Morris
Florida - Dan Mullen
Florida St - Taggart
Miss St - Moorhead
Nebraska - Frost
Ole Miss - Matt Luke
Oregon - Mario Cristobal - this one worked
Oregon St - Jonathan Smith - this one worked
Tennessee - Pruitt
A&M - Fisher - this one seems to be OK
UCLAbia - Kelly - this on I think is ok

13 Power 5 coaching changes - 4 worked out ok. Herm Edwards...I dunno, he had a pretty good first year I think but then he got caught cheating but some how still has a job. Either way 31% hit rate is not great

 

[ChocaEgg]

In the end it falls on Scott but I did find it interesting that just about every coach hired in that cycle failed and had miserable turnover rate in their first classes. Why? That was the first year of the early signing period so none of those coaches could get a jump start on recruiting. And then 2 years later...pandemic...in your crucial 3rd year in the program.

Like I said, it doesn't absolve Frost. His team looks like same today as it did 4 years ago. But there are some reasons as to why all those 2017-18 coaching hires failed.

Arizona - Kevin Sumlin
Arizona St - Herm Edwards, I guess technically that could still work?
Arkansas - Chad Morris
Florida - Dan Mullen
Florida St - Taggart
Miss St - Moorhead
Nebraska - Frost
Ole Miss - Matt Luke
Oregon - Mario Cristobal - this one worked
Oregon St - Jonathan Smith - this one worked
Tennessee - Pruitt
A&M - Fisher - this one seems to be OK
UCLAbia - Kelly - this on I think is ok

13 Power 5 coaching changes - 4 worked out ok. Herm Edwards...I dunno, he had a pretty good first year I think but then he got caught cheating but some how still has a job. Either way 31% hit rate is not great

I mean that's not too far off the regular success rate with P5 hires, is it? Pretty safe to say that it is rare that coaches stick around at P5 programs for more than a few years at a time, right? Some of those guys on your list were predictably bad hires (Taggart, Morris, Sumlin) too.

 

[huskerj12]

Oh I rolled my eyes at the talent remark but he's just an elderly man who cares about a former player and wants to throw him a bone after the worst experience of his life. Mostly I just agree with @That SOB Van Owen that people need to stop bugging him, media and boosters alike. Let him be.

 

[HuskerDocCo]

Ole thom and I use the same brand of walker !

 

[Ext. 55]

Objectively, I think that’s a pretty accurate statement.

Agreed, seems pretty honest and true.

 

[Pipe Line]

How did frost get affected worse by Covid specifically when the gophers came into town with 10 scholarship players and beat him? Sure sounds like he had it easier than a lot of teams that year but still found ways to lose.

Nowhere did I say it affected Frost worse. I simply stated that Tom was pointing out a historical thing has happened, and it affected everyone. Some handled it better than others. That is all.

 

[Ext. 55]

Oh I rolled my eyes at the talent remark but he's just an elderly man who cares about a former player and wants to throw him a bone after the worst experience of his life. Mostly I just agree with @That SOB Van Owen that people need to stop bugging him, media and boosters alike. Let him be.

It just feels like a lame and lazy interview. Let the guy enjoy his family and move on.

 

[BIG TONE SOPRANO]

As

I disagree completely.

As do I. I’m gonna get some butter for all the potatoes that will join this thread defending that prick TO

 

[DrinkItIn]

It's been 25 years since TO put on a headset. His input and opinion should not matter anymore. The fact that the media went out and tried to get his input is pretty sad.

NU needs to move out of the shadow of TO and create a new legacy. His is over and should have no bearing on the future of NU Sports.

TO's remark about bad luck is just sad. Bad luck? You don't 5-21 b/c of bad luck in 1 score games. Lots of those 1 score games were not even that close until NU scored points in garbage time. Also, after the loss the G. Southern, NU is now 214-1 when scoring 35+ in Memorial Stadium. Is that bad luck as well or just shitty coaching & recruiting.

There are no more excuses. Frost was a shit coach and will go down as one of the worst NU coaches of all time.

Bad luck....come on. There is a lot proof that Frost did not put in the hard work to get this job done and it started when he brought his wedding party to Lincoln.

Luck is residue of hard work and perseverance...and we know that Frost was lacking sorely in those areas.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

The excuses:

"I feel really bad about Scott. He had a lot of things going for him in Central Florida and then maybe he didn't have the best talent when he got here, and then the pandemic, he probably had more bad bounces than good bounces, but he's a good coach and a good person."

Objectively, I think that’s a pretty accurate statement.

I mean you have 2 transition classes in 3 years. 1 of those being the 1st class of the early signing period which for all the coaching candidates that were hired that year had very bad turnover rates.... The roster was pretty hollow when he got here.

I think we can also agree that he had some just dumb luck happen against him.

I disagree completely.

Thats your right to be wrong. I think he had more go against him, but think what TO said was objectively true.

Multiple things can be true at one time. He can have bad luck, he did walk into a hollow roster and he had his short comings.

 

[ChocaEgg]

I mean you have 2 transition classes in 3 years. 1 of those being the 1st class of the early signing period which for all the coaching candidates that were hired that year had very bad turnover rates.... The roster was pretty hollow when he got here.

I think we can also agree that he had some just dumb luck happen against him.


Thats your right to be wrong. I think he had more go against him, but think what TO said was objectively true.

Multiple things can be true at one time. He can have bad luck, he did walk into a hollow roster and he had his short comings.

I don't think the roster was as hollow as he made it out to be. We definitely had the talent to make bowl games in each of Frost's seasons as NU HC. The lightning canceling his opener vs Akron was the only thing that can honestly be considered 'bad luck', the rest of the shit was self-inflicted.

 

[vailhusker]

You guys in this thread Toms ready to go... fishing or take a nap in his recliner but he's ready to go.

 

[Carm]

In the end it falls on Scott but I did find it interesting that just about every coach hired in that cycle failed and had miserable turnover rate in their first classes. Why? That was the first year of the early signing period so none of those coaches could get a jump start on recruiting. And then 2 years later...pandemic...in your crucial 3rd year in the program.

Like I said, it doesn't absolve Frost. His team looks like same today as it did 4 years ago. But there are some reasons as to why all those 2017-18 coaching hires failed.

Arizona - Kevin Sumlin
Arizona St - Herm Edwards, I guess technically that could still work?
Arkansas - Chad Morris
Florida - Dan Mullen
Florida St - Taggart
Miss St - Moorhead
Nebraska - Frost
Ole Miss - Matt Luke
Oregon - Mario Cristobal - this one worked
Oregon St - Jonathan Smith - this one worked
Tennessee - Pruitt
A&M - Fisher - this one seems to be OK
UCLAbia - Kelly - this on I think is ok

13 Power 5 coaching changes - 4 worked out ok. Herm Edwards...I dunno, he had a pretty good first year I think but then he got caught cheating but some how still has a job. Either way 31% hit rate is not great

Isn't this always true though?

this is from The Athletic in May:

More than 40 percent of FBS head coaches hired from 2013 to ’20 have been fired. That includes eight of the 27 hired in the 2018-19 cycle three years ago.

I found a 2014 article that said the annual turnover rate at FBS schools in the recent years before that was 17%

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I don't think the roster was as hollow as he made it out to be. We definitely had the talent to make bowl games in each of Frost's seasons as NU HC. The lightning canceling his opener vs Akron was the only thing that can honestly be considered 'bad luck', the rest of the shit was self-inflicted.

Eh I have a hard time saying it wasn't hollow.... After that initial year you felt the fact that they had 2 transition classes in 3 years.

Could they have made a bowl game? I am sure, but you would have needed to overcome some fucking bad rooms. You throw that in with some dumb shit like your All Conference Kicker getting the yips your margin for error is so compressed.

Like I said the truth is in the middle. He obviously had his problems, but the luck and talent discussion didn't help.

 

[Bootleg11]

Isn't this always true though?

this is from The Athletic in May:

More than 40 percent of FBS head coaches hired from 2013 to ’20 have been fired. That includes eight of the 27 hired in the 2018-19 cycle three years ago.

I found a 2014 article that said the annual turnover rate at FBS schools in the recent years before that was 17%

Turnover rate for head coaches getting fired is 17% or is that coaches leaving. for a better job, assistants etc etc?

40% of HC being fired compared to 69% from the 2017-2018 is quite the jump. Note I'm just counting power 5 so that number probably does go down some if you count group of 5
Group of 5 in 2017 you had basically 5 of 8 schools with successful hires. Some have moved on to better jobs but they were good hires (i.e Dykes at SMU)

That's still 58% failure rate in 2017 as compared to 40% from 2013-2020 hires.

 

[HuskerDocCo]

You guys in this thread Toms ready to go... fishing or take a nap in his recliner but he's ready to go.

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wheres his Walker gawd damit !? His geriatric doc would be madder Than a hornet!

 

[BIG TONE SOPRANO]

Eh I have a hard time saying it wasn't hollow.... After that initial year you felt the fact that they had 2 transition classes in 3 years.

Could they have made a bowl game? I am sure, but you would have needed to overcome some fucking bad rooms. You throw that in with some dumb shit like your All Conference Kicker getting the yips your margin for error is so compressed.

Like I said the truth is in the middle. He obviously had his problems, but the luck and talent discussion didn't help.

You are a pro at making excuses. my word this is sad

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

You are a pro at making excuses. my word this is sad

Nah just a realist. Multiple things can be true at the same time. That is often where the truth is.