Breaking Garret McGuire WR Coach (1 Viewer)

[SeattleHusker]

Honestly I think it’s less of a race thing as it is an age thing. He’s just a couple of years older than some of those guys. Hope he works out.

Yeah, I can see that, especially looking as young as he does.

 

[HerbRedman]

I would say RB coach but I'm not going to die on the hill arguing it.

Both recruiting is more important than development

 

[HuskerGarrett]

How many days are you guys gonna freak out about this?

4

 

[HerbRedman]

Watch this guy turn out to be the best recruiter on staff lmao

For positions like RB and WR that's the key. Those position groups HAVE to be your recruiting work horses - they're positions are relatively easy to coach & develop. Their value is the nonstop hours they put in on the recruiting trail. And the connections they have with HS coaches in key recruiting areas (ie DFW/TX).

This is why Mickey Joseph was such a good WR coach at LSU. For stud WRs he had like Chase and Jefferson, it's not like he was coaching them w/ mind blowing tactical analysis and strategy tips. 90% of MJ's value was GETTING them to LSU. Yes, he coached them up too, but the majority of the work is getting them there and putting them in positions to succeed (QB, OL).

Look at Wisconsin's RB situation. Anyone find it odd that they always have brand new RBs right out of HS who tear the league up at 17-18 yrs old? They must have a wizard at RB coach!!! The reality is, 90% of the battle is FINDING the amazing RB HS prospect and getting him to come to Wisconsin. Allen and Taylor were both like 17 yrs old when they were torching B1G defenses. They hadn't even been ar UW long enough to GET coaching lol. I don't even know who Wisconsin's RB coach was and neither did 99% of CFB fans.

 

[djw004]

Here’s the main reason I trust Rhule’s decision making:

We are conditioned from the last 5 years to have a lazy leader putting together an inexperienced AND primarily/seemingly lazy staff. If there’s one thing from all the assistant interviews, Rhule’s guys live this game. It’s all they do. A 23/24 year old white QB from Texas that went to Baylor will have energy, no vices, and likely a great work ethic considering his upbringing. Kid has a TON to prove. But a D1 QB seems like a great place to find someone who likes a challenge.

Rhule doesn’t want the path of least resistance like FHCSF wanted at every turn. He demands a lot out of his staff. So “buddy hires” like this one (from optics) aren’t as worrisome.

My biggest frustration from Frost’s years - he and his staff acted like we were lucky to have them. I believe Rhule is the exact antithesis of that, and realizes it in how he talks about his role here. We are getting guys that want to prove it by earning it. That’s 1 thing I trust about Matt Rhule

 

[nja13]

Not trying to bring race into the conversation but I just can’t imagine players in that position group listening to a word he has to say.

He's their position coach and has a say in who plays. I'll be they find a way to make themselves listen to a few words.

 

[Carm]

Rhule's staff is going to have to figure out how to own that inexperience and convince recruits that they're better off in Lincoln than elsewhere. He's taken some big gambles on the staff and it seems implausible that all of them hit

I think the "big gamble" is a bit overplayed - he has known and worked with these guys for a number of years. It could be they don't work out, but the risk of that is mitigated by the fact that he knows, in general, what they can do, and he knows they'll do things the way he wants.

I don't think there is much risk of a catastrophic bust, frankly.

 

[Carm]

FootballScoop makes it sound like Steve Wilks would like to keep these two guys if it turns out he is retained after Sunday

Update at Nebraska: Matt Rhule moving to fill two more staff positions

Matt Rhule is working to bring two young coaches to Lincoln that worked and played for him at Baylor, then followed him to Carolina.

footballscoop.com

 

[djw004]

FootballScoop makes it sound like Steve Wilks would like to keep these two guys if it turns out he is retained after Sunday

Update at Nebraska: Matt Rhule moving to fill two more staff positions

Matt Rhule is working to bring two young coaches to Lincoln that worked and played for him at Baylor, then followed him to Carolina.

footballscoop.com

my first curiosity - are they wanted where they are leaving?

Thanks for the article @Carm

 

[Juro]

To be honest, I'm excited for the famous 'player and coach lookalikes' for our new WR coach.

 

[BorWhiskey]

Do you guys think he used his Madden experience on his resumé?

Ncaa football experience is what counts here, and doubtful he got to play much if any since the game ended when he was 10.

Fans worried about what assistants get paid is fascinating to me.

I get it. That money is AD money which could go somewhere else. It’s not like sunk costs. Spend $2m on hookers and blow for the players instead of reaching for coaches.

Half of this staff looks like plan B (or worse) guys:

I had this same thought. The attribute he’s looking for most in his coaches is work ethic. I do think there is an inverse correlation between experience and busting your ass at every aspect of the game. Maybe he had conversations with the plan A’s and didn’t like how comfortable they were in what they were doing.

I think this goes to the culture he’s trying to establish. I think it’s logical to wonder and worry if/when this inexperience will come back and bite us. I’m going to hold off on doing so until it’s too late.

 

[HuskerDocCo]

did this young lad hit puberty yet? GBFR!!

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I think the "big gamble" is a bit overplayed - he has known and worked with these guys for a number of years. It could be they don't work out, but the risk of that is mitigated by the fact that he knows, in general, what they can do, and he knows they'll do things the way he wants.

I don't think there is much risk of a catastrophic bust, frankly.

The risk in my view has less to do with what Rhule thinks he's getting in these coaches and more to do with the lack of Big Ten/major conference experience and probably coaching experience generally. As we learned, or at least ought to have learned, with Frost is that the pool gets much deeper when you get into major conference football. And sure we can name a million ways in which Rhule is different than Frost.

Supposing this staff is "final", here is what we're looking at in terms of full time assistant experience and P5 assistant experience (Note that assistant to assistant coach as is the case in the NFL doesn't count, only dudes who ran their own shop. For example, uncle Donny spent 3 or 4 seasons as an assistant to Hiestand in Chicago that doesn't count)

Total experience (P5/NFL experience)

OC/QB: Satterfield 17 (4)
WR: McGuire 0 (0)
RB: Barthel 4 (0)
TE: Wager 0 (0)
OL: Raiola 2 (1)

DC: White 14 (6)
DL: Knighton 2 (0)
LB: Dvoracek 2 (0)
DB: Cooper 5 (5)

ST: Foley 30ish (0)

66 total years, 16 in P5/NFL

Of course all of these guys have lots of experience being around football but that's true of almost every staff in America.

By contrast

Here's Rhule's first Baylor staff fwiw
Years coaching/NFL college or pro at assistant coach or higher (major conference/NFL experience)

Baylor

Co-OC/QB Glenn Thomas: 13 (3)
Co-OC/RB Jeff Nixon: 18 (6)
DC Phil Snow: 38 (20)
OL George DeLeone: 47 (22)
TE Joey McGuire: 0 (0)
WR Bob Bicknell: 24 (8)
DB/AHC Fran Brown: 4 (0)
DL Elijah Robinson: 3 (0)
LB Mike Siravo: 14 (5)



161 combined years of collegiate or pro experience + 64 years of major conference and NFL experience

If one were to want to be glass half full, you'd look at Fran Brown, Elijah Robinson, Joey McGuire who were green af and are now some of the biggest hitting assistants in CFB/HC themselves, but they had a whole heck of a lot of experience around them to bring them along.

 

[BIG TONE SOPRANO]

Fans worried about what assistants get paid is fascinating to me.

We are a weird bunch. Nothing else to do

 

[That SOB Van Owen]

@HuskerGarrett congrats on becoming a coach. hopefully you will still find time to run tPB.

 

[Carm]

The risk in my view has less to do with what Rhule thinks he's getting in these coaches and more to do with the lack of Big Ten/major conference experience and probably coaching experience generally. As we learned, or at least ought to have learned, with Frost is that the pool gets much deeper when you get into major conference football. And sure we can name a million ways in which Rhule is different than Frost.

Supposing this staff is "final", here is what we're looking at in terms of full time assistant experience and P5 assistant experience (Note that assistant to assistant coach as is the case in the NFL doesn't count, only dudes who ran their own shop. For example, uncle Donny spent 3 or 4 seasons as an assistant to Hiestand in Chicago that doesn't count)

Total experience (P5/NFL experience)

OC/QB: Satterfield 17 (4)
WR: McGuire 0 (0)
RB: Barthel 4 (0)
TE: Wager 0 (0)
OL: Raiola 2 (1)

DC: White 14 (6)
DL: Knighton 2 (0)
LB: Dvoracek 2 (0)
DB: Cooper 5 (5)

ST: Foley 30ish (0)

66 total years, 16 in P5/NFL

Of course all of these guys have lots of experience being around football but that's true of almost every staff in America.

By contrast


If one were to want to be glass half full, you'd look at Fran Brown, Elijah Robinson, Joey McGuire who were green af and are now some of the biggest hitting assistants in CFB/HC themselves, but they had a whole heck of a lot of experience around them to bring them along.

Here is Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss staff heading into the 2022 season shown the same way (Derrick Nix was not a Kiffin hire - he has been at Ole Miss for 15 years). The coordinators are very inexperienced - it would seem having experienced coordinators is the key way to distribute experience at the P5 level.

		TOTAL	P5	NFL
John David Baker	Assistant Coach/Co-Offensive Coordinator/Tight Ends	2​	2​	0​
Marty Biagi	Special Teams Coordinator	10​	2​	0​
Marquel Blackwell	Assistant Coach/Running Backs	9​	1​	0​
Sam Carter	Assistant Coach/Cornerbacks	2​	2​	0​
Maurice Crum	Assistant Coach/Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers	6​	0​	0​
Randall Joyner	Assistant Coach/Defensive Line	4​	1​	0​
Derrick Nix	Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers	18​	15​	0​
Chris Partridge	Assistant Coach/Co-Defensive Coordinator/Safeties	9​	5​	0​
Charlie Weis Jr.	Assistant Coach/Co-Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks	4​	0​	0​
		64​	28​	0​

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Here is Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss staff heading into the 2022 season shown the same way (Derrick Nix was not a Kiffin hire - he has been at Ole Miss for 15 years)

		TOTAL	P5	NFL
John David Baker	Assistant Coach/Co-Offensive Coordinator/Tight Ends	2​	2​	0​
Marty Biagi	Special Teams Coordinator	10​	2​	0​
Marquel Blackwell	Assistant Coach/Running Backs	9​	1​	0​
Sam Carter	Assistant Coach/Cornerbacks	2​	2​	0​
Maurice Crum	Assistant Coach/Co-Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers	6​	0​	0​
Randall Joyner	Assistant Coach/Defensive Line	4​	1​	0​
Derrick Nix	Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers	18​	15​	0​
Chris Partridge	Assistant Coach/Co-Defensive Coordinator/Safeties	9​	5​	0​
Charlie Weis Jr.	Assistant Coach/Co-Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks	4​	0​	0​
		64​	28​	0​

That's good information.

 

[Tsakoi]

The risk in my view has less to do with what Rhule thinks he's getting in these coaches and more to do with the lack of Big Ten/major conference experience and probably coaching experience generally. As we learned, or at least ought to have learned, with Frost is that the pool gets much deeper when you get into major conference football. And sure we can name a million ways in which Rhule is different than Frost.

Supposing this staff is "final", here is what we're looking at in terms of full time assistant experience and P5 assistant experience (Note that assistant to assistant coach as is the case in the NFL doesn't count, only dudes who ran their own shop. For example, uncle Donny spent 3 or 4 seasons as an assistant to Hiestand in Chicago that doesn't count)

Total experience (P5/NFL experience)

OC/QB: Satterfield 17 (4)
WR: McGuire 0 (0)
RB: Barthel 4 (0)
TE: Wager 0 (0)
OL: Raiola 2 (1)

DC: White 14 (6)
DL: Knighton 2 (0)
LB: Dvoracek 2 (0)
DB: Cooper 5 (5)

ST: Foley 30ish (0)

66 total years, 16 in P5/NFL

Of course all of these guys have lots of experience being around football but that's true of almost every staff in America.

By contrast


If one were to want to be glass half full, you'd look at Fran Brown, Elijah Robinson, Joey McGuire who were green af and are now some of the biggest hitting assistants in CFB/HC themselves, but they had a whole heck of a lot of experience around them to bring them along.

The head coach and both coordinators have a ton of experience. Then you add the grandpa presence of the ST coach and there are enough mentors to shepard the younger coaches along. The TE coach may not have recent CFB experience but plenty of years working with young players. I for one think the staff has a really good mixture of youth and pedigree.

 

[HuskerDocCo]

The head coach and both coordinators have a ton of experience. Then you add the grandpa presence of the ST coach and there are enough mentors to shepard the younger coaches along. The TE coach may not have recent CFB experience but plenty of years working with young players. I for one think the staff has a really good mixture of youth and pedigree.

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[Baron Winnebago]

The head coach and both coordinators have a ton of experience. Then you add the grandpa presence of the ST coach and there are enough mentors to shepard the younger coaches along. The TE coach may not have recent CFB experience but plenty of years working with young players. I for one think the staff has a really good mixture of youth and pedigree.

It may well be. I'm just pretty calibrated at this point to be skeptical of things that I believe are outside the "norm" of assembling a power 5 staff with aspirations of competing for titles. Maybe I'm totally wrong and more staffs of "peer programs" look like Rhule's and Kiffin's, though. I know Harbaugh has hired high school coaches and given guys from the NFL, mostly the Ravens, big time opportunities so hopefully it works out similarly for Rhule.

The thing to like a lot is that there will be almost no learning curve for the staff to all get on the same page with what they want to do so they should be able to hit the ground running