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Art Bell’s vault. West of the Rockies you’re on the air.

There’s so much we don’t understand.

How the fuck did we get here?

Even if big bang, if matter cannot be created or destroyed, WHERE MATTER COME FROM?

No one can truly comprehend how big the universe is. And we are so arrogant to say we are the only ones out there? Bitch please.

There are people in the shadow govt who know more than is public knowledge. Obviously disclosure would turn organized religion as we know it on its head, which is why there hasn’t been disclosure.

These things are not even the tip of the iceberg. More like a snowflake on top of the iceberg. There is SO much we cannot understand about the universe.
 
There’s so much we don’t understand.

How the fuck did we get here?

Even if big bang, if matter cannot be created or destroyed, WHERE MATTER COME FROM?

No one can truly comprehend how big the universe is. And we are so arrogant to say we are the only ones out there? Bitch please.

There are people in the shadow govt who know more than is public knowledge. Obviously disclosure would turn organized religion as we know it on its head, which is why there hasn’t been disclosure.

These things are not even the tip of the iceberg. More like a snowflake on top of the iceberg. There is SO much we cannot understand about the universe.
I don't think organized religion is preventing the information from coming out. Even if they know we were made by aliens and we're watched like a zoo that doesn't change big picture.

I think it's realistic that a small group of people know about or at least have strong evidence of aliens. I'd be surprised if they're actively communicating with them. I'd be even more surprised if they are colluding with them to hide a known history like that.

So most likely we've never communicated. Next most likely we've tried to communicate but nothing substantial has been accomplished.
 
There’s so much we don’t understand.

How the fuck did we get here?

Even if big bang, if matter cannot be created or destroyed, WHERE MATTER COME FROM?

No one can truly comprehend how big the universe is. And we are so arrogant to say we are the only ones out there? Bitch please.

There are people in the shadow govt who know more than is public knowledge. Obviously disclosure would turn organized religion as we know it on its head, which is why there hasn’t been disclosure.

These things are not even the tip of the iceberg. More like a snowflake on top of the iceberg. There is SO much we cannot understand about the universe.

Well said.

Humans think they're smart, but I'd argue that many of them are more arrogant/dismissive as opposed to smart. I'll at least make the statement that the majority lack wisdom. It's a good virtue to question things, but it's also a good virtue to pay attention and listen to what's going on in the world.
 
I don't think organized religion is preventing the information from coming out. Even if they know we were made by aliens and we're watched like a zoo that doesn't change big picture.

I think it's realistic that a small group of people know about or at least have strong evidence of aliens. I'd be surprised if they're actively communicating with them. I'd be even more surprised if they are colluding with them to hide a known history like that.

So most likely we've never communicated. Next most likely we've tried to communicate but nothing substantial has been accomplished.


I don’t think the religious leaders are preventing it, rather the forces that be know that society as a whole would melt down because of the religion aspect
 
I don’t think the religious leaders are preventing it, rather the forces that be know that society as a whole would melt down because of the religion aspect
I got what you meant. I just don't think that would be the determining factor. I mean if we were truly in that situation it would probably be the aliens preventing those people from saying anything.
 
I don’t think the religious leaders are preventing it, rather the forces that be know that society as a whole would melt down because of the religion aspect
I think it’s trending in the other direction since more and more people aren’t religious anymore. I’m also not saying society as a whole is ready for an announcement that there is a life form much smarter than us out there at this point, but it’s trending that way. You would have seen a complete freak out if the government admitted Roswell was true at the time. It wouldn’t be near as bad today.
 
I've got two decent ones. The Weeping Water one is extremely long, but 100% true - I can't believe how stupid I was, but I sincerely thought I was going to die.

Back when I was a freshman in college I had a buddy who was really in to "ghost hunting." Mostly, all that meant was him and his girlfriend would drive around to notoriously haunted places and take pictures on a digital camera - if there were orbs in the picture, those were the "haunting spirits." This buddy had had an aunt who owned a house in Weeping Water, but had moved out because she claimed it was haunted - one room always remained 60 degrees, no matter the temperature outside, their kid all of a sudden had a new imaginary friend when they moved in, books flying of shelves, etc. So, on October 30th, my buddy and I decided that we would drive down there and check the place out. My buddy also said that Weeping Water also had an old haunted bridge just outside of town. As he told the story, a hundred years back or so, some woman was accused of being a witch and they hang her from the bridge. Thus, it was named Witch's Bridge (I have since tried looking this up for more information and can't find anything). Again, as my buddy told it, rumor had it that at the twilight morning hours on Halloween you could see the witch swinging from the bridge.

So we drove down to Weeping Water and got to my buddy's aunt's house around 12:00 pm. We couldn't get in to the house, so we just walked around the outside, snapping pics on our digital camera's - absolutely nothing. After about 10 or 15 minutes we decided to leave and check out Witch's Bridge. This was before smart phones, so we didn't know exactly where we were going. After driving around for half an hour or so, we decided to stop and ask for directions. Only place open was a bar off Main St. I was driving, so my buddy hoped out and talked with some folks outside the bar. Apparently they knew exactly what we were talking about and gave us directions.

It was about 3 or 4 miles out of town on a dirt road when a car, out of nowhere, comes flying up behind us and is riding my bumper. My buddy and I were pretty weirded out - it was after midnight in the middle of nowhere. Ultimately, we decided that maybe they were waning to do the same thing as us and were wanting to check out the bridge. After about half a mile of them ridding my ass, we came to our last turn before the bridge. I wanted to test and see if the were following us or heading to the bridge, so I skipped the turn and just kept going straight. To our relief, the car behind us turned. I went down the road about a quarter mile, turned around and started back towards the bridge. Shortly after I made the turned that I had intentionally missed, we saw the car that was following, heading back our way. Didn't think much of it. Just waved as they went by.

When we got to the bridge, there wasn't much to it. We got out and walked around, but there wasn't much to see. It was just an old wooden bridge, wide enough for one car to cross at a time (foreshadowing). Again, we didn't see much at the bridge, but weren't willing to give up on the night. We decided that we wanted to head back to my buddy's aunt's house and see if we could get inside. We got back in our car and drove across the bridge to turn around. But as we were driving across the bridge another car comes pulling up to the bridge. I turned around, but couldn't cross the bridge because the other car was blocking us - it was the same car from before.

My buddy and I were SUPER freaked out by this. I sat there for about 10 seconds and then flashed my lights at them. Immediately, the back doors on both sides of the other car opened and we saw two people get out - the disappeared into the dark. Even more so, my buddy nd I are losing it. I flashed my lights again and now the car drove across the bridge and alongside us. They rolled down their window and we saw that it was the guy and gal from the bar that we asked for directions. This didn't calm us down at all, but I rolled down my window too. They said that they were just concerned about us and wanted to make sure that we made it out here okay. We thanked them and told them that we were ready to call it a night (even though we still intended on heading to my buddy's aunt's). They told us that if we were interested in haunted stuff, that they had a place in Plattsmouth that was super haunted and we could follow them back to it (note - they did have Cass county plates...I vividly remember that car....). We told them thanks, but no thanks and that we were ready to head back home. As we were driving back into town, for the first half of the way back, they followed us eerily closely. But, halfway back, they puled in around in front of and flew ahead.

Once we got back in town, we tried to find our way back to my buddy's aunt's, but got lost in the neighborhoods. I vividly remember pulling up to a 4-way intersection and seeing that car stopped at the intersection across from us. Taken aback, we pulled forward and they waved as we passed. I shit you not, we saw them at different intersections probably 6 or 7 times. We were convinced that they were following us, but had no idea how they always knew where we were. At this point, we had had enough and just wanted to go home. Unfortunately, we could not find our way back to the highway.

We got back to Main St and flagged down a car heading our way, hoping to ask for directions. At this point, it was a little after 2:00 in the morning. Wouldn't you know it, but it was our old friends from the bridge again. I can't tell you why, despite the fear that they had caused us thus far, we decided to ask them for directions to the highway. They, of course, offered to help and told us just to follow them. Again, I can't tell you why, but we decided to listen and follow them. After following them for a coupe of minutes, I saw a sign for us to turn left to get to the highway - but they went straight. I panicked and didn't know what to do, so I skipped the turn and continued to follow them. Almost immediately after that they turned to go on a dirt road, up a hill. Finally my common sense kicked in. I literally yelled, "Fuck this!!!" and pulled a u-turn across someone front yard.

Made our way back to the highway and hauled ass back home. Literally, for the next two weeks I was on constant look out for that car, convinced that they were going to find me. I have no idea what their actual intent that night was, but it certainly wasn't good.

This next one isn't nearly as long, but it was pretty crazy.

Same buddy and me continued to have a few "ghost hunting" excursions for the next few months, but nothing every really happened. One night we decided to check out the Villisca Axe Murder House in Villisca, IA. If you don't know the story, you can check it out here. But it is considered one of the most haunted places in the midwest. My buddy and I decided to drive out there in the middle of the night and check it out.

We got there a little after midnight. Honestly, it is basically in a neighborhood and just looked like an old house that someone could still live in. We started walking around the outside of the house taking pics, looking for orbs. I'll admit, it gave off some serious weird and creepy vibes. Nothing like I've ever felt before. When we got around to the backside of the house there was a big barn. Immediately the barn doors flew open and something/someone started heading straight for us. Scared the absolute shit out of me and my buddy.

Ended up being that a legit paranormal activity team was there studying the house that night and had their headquarters set up in the barn. They were super nice and invited us into the barn and showed us all their equipment. They told us that this wasn't their first time studying the house and last time one of their guys was physically attached by something and marks all over his body. They showed us their website and documentary on the house (I looked for it on YouTube, but this was over 10 years ago...). After that, they offered to give us a tour inside the house...at 1:00 in the morning. Nothing happened to us in the house, but it was BY FAR the creepiest feeling I've ever had. I couldn't stop thinking "I shouldn't be here...I shouldn't be here" the entire time I was in the house. While I didn't see anything myself, 100% that place is haunted. I've been to a lot of "haunted" places, and this place was just different.
Read a book called “the man from the train” that prominently featured the Villisca house. It’s about America’s first serial murderer.
 
This. Christians lose their minds over dinosaurs, imagine how it would go telling them about aliens.
Funny, I've been to church and youth group stuff as a kid. I've never heard dinosaurs discussed.

Honestly, I think discovering an advanced alien species would create even more religiosity.
 
Funny, I've been to church and youth group stuff as a kid. I've never heard dinosaurs discussed.

Honestly, I think discovering an advanced alien species would create even more religiosity.


They have to find a way for the earth to be circa 5,000 years old despite scientific evidence that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.

When I was a kid I was taught that carbon dating was “wrong” without any explanation as to how 😂

They then try to marry the Dinos up with the Noah’s ark story. Perhaps this was the extinction event?

It’s crazy stuff man. Thinking back to ignore everything we know…like completely brainwashed folks.
 
They have to find a way for the earth to be circa 5,000 years old despite scientific evidence that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.

When I was a kid I was taught that carbon dating was “wrong” without any explanation as to how 😂

They then try to marry the Dinos up with the Noah’s ark story. Perhaps this was the extinction event?

It’s crazy stuff man. Thinking back to ignore everything we know…like completely brainwashed folks.
That's wild. What kind of church did you go to? I was a 90s kid so maybe it was more moderate when I would go.

Obviously, I know this kind of hardcore Christianity exists, just never experienced it so I'd doubt it's mainstream.
 
They have to find a way for the earth to be circa 5,000 years old despite scientific evidence that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.

When I was a kid I was taught that carbon dating was “wrong” without any explanation as to how 😂

They then try to marry the Dinos up with the Noah’s ark story. Perhaps this was the extinction event?

It’s crazy stuff man. Thinking back to ignore everything we know…like completely brainwashed folks.
I've only met one other of you in the wild. What church did you go to?
 
That's wild. What kind of church did you go to? I was a 90s kid so maybe it was more moderate when I would go.

Obviously, I know this kind of hardcore Christianity exists, just never experienced it so I'd doubt it's mainstream.
I met one other in college. He had this alternate creation theory that kind of combined the two. Basically that carbon dating didn't work because temperatures were so much higher. That's also why dinosaurs were so much bigger than today's cold blooded animals.
 
That's wild. What kind of church did you go to? I was a 90s kid so maybe it was more moderate when I would go.

Obviously, I know this kind of hardcore Christianity exists, just never experienced it so I'd doubt it's mainstream.

I've only met one other of you in the wild. What church did you go to?


I went to a Missouri-Synod Lutheran Church. Grew up in the 90s, early 2000s (graduated high school in 2007).Not sure if they’ve come around on science yet and if so to what degree. Haven’t been back since I graduated high school.
 
I met one other in college. He had this alternate creation theory that kind of combined the two. Basically that carbon dating didn't work because temperatures were so much higher. That's also why dinosaurs were so much bigger than today's cold blooded animals.
Carbon dating assumes a uniform starting level & consistent rate of decay... 2 things that cannot be falsified, and therefore is based on presupposition rather than the scientific method.

The method that is used for ancient dating is known to be inaccurate/unmeasurable for measuring recent dates (i.e. where there are known benchmarks for proving accuracy).

It's a very sketchy process.
 
I went to a Missouri-Synod Lutheran Church. Grew up in the 90s, early 2000s (graduated high school in 2007).Not sure if they’ve come around on science yet and if so to what degree. Haven’t been back since I graduated high school.
I grew up in a mixed Methodist/Catholic family and never heard of that being taught. My wife is Missouri Synod Lutheran and hasn't either. I think you just got yourself a bad batch.
 
Carbon dating assumes a uniform starting level & consistent rate of decay... 2 things that cannot be falsified, and therefore is based on presupposition rather than the scientific method.

The method that is used for ancient dating is known to be inaccurate/unmeasurable for measuring recent dates (i.e. where there are known benchmarks for proving accuracy).

It's a very sketchy process.
That's interesting. I always considered carbon dating an estimate, at least that's the way we were taught it in middle school.
 
I grew up in a mixed Methodist/Catholic family and never heard of that being taught. My wife is Missouri Synod Lutheran and hasn't either. I think you just got yourself a bad batch.
Yeah, I grew up in a Methodist church but my extended family is Lutheran. Grandparents were pretty religious (my great grandmother thought Harry Potter books were a conduit to the devil) but never "the earth is 5,000 years old" religious.
 
I met one other in college. He had this alternate creation theory that kind of combined the two. Basically that carbon dating didn't work because temperatures were so much higher. That's also why dinosaurs were so much bigger than today's cold blooded animals.
Interesting. I think the science community has sniffed their own farts for so long they're as orthodox/binary in their thinking as the extremely religious.
 

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