Aaron Murray breaking down DR15 vs CU

[HerbRedman]

It's interesting looking back on the comments on Barney. Almost everyone always talked about how he was always going full speed. That just really strange out when no one else is

Our WRs are running lazy toes and not getting much separation. That has to change or the better teams on the schedule will shut down our offense

Who would go in if we benched Banks and Neyor?

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Who would go in if we benched Banks and Neyor?

That's the problem. What looks like depth is mostly just a bunch of mediocre receivers

 

[HerbRedman]

That's the problem. What looks like depth is mostly just a bunch of mediocre receivers

It's embarrassing that our guys that "go hard" are freshmen & soph (Dylan, Jacory, Dowdell).

One other theory is that the JR & SR WRs were expecting us to go air raid this season with Dylan and they'd each get like 10 targets/game. And then they get surprised we're super conservative vs CU so they got lackadaisical w their routes and blocking out of frustration.

Everyone on earth knew that CU game plan was gonna be conservative AF though....they should have known it was gonna be a lot of run plays & simple passes, esp in Dylan's first few games

 

[Dawgsauce]

I'd never watched him before. Very cool.

See the beauty of CornDawgs? One of my favorite Dawgs breaking down DR Huskers play. What a time to be alive!

 

[Jim14510]

The bylaws state that the successor will be determined by a random pairing of posters for a three legged race with the successor chosen from the winning pair based on BMI

We've already raced and I won both the race and highest BMI portions of the competition. @HuskerDocCo is a frail old fucker.

 

[HerbRedman]

That's the problem. What looks like depth is mostly just a bunch of mediocre receivers

Listening to the Dean & Sip show....they said that the coaches had some "tough conversations with the WRs about perimeter blocking" after the CU game. They said the coaches may put in a 'no block no rock' policy for the WRs.

Dean said that you can't bench Banks & Neyor for not blocking.
Sip & Robin said hell yes you can.

Reality is, UNI film is gonna be easy to look good in. So I'm not sure how much we'll learn there. Every one of our guys should be able to truck their UNI counterpart TBH

 

[theDankness]

I’m not taking Aaron Murray analysis as gospel.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

I’m not taking Aaron Murray analysis as gospel.

Listening to the Dean & Sip show....they said that the coaches had some "tough conversations with the WRs about perimeter blocking" after the CU game. They said the coaches may put in a 'no block no rock' policy for the WRs.

Dean said that you can't bench Banks & Neyor for not blocking.
Sip & Robin said hell yes you can.

Reality is, UNI film is gonna be easy to look good in. So I'm not sure how much we'll learn there. Every one of our guys should be able to truck their UNI counterpart TBH

Real contenders block great on the edges. Rhule knows this is the next level up to make offense better. Also invite for younger players to step up in practice — like Malachi if you want see the field here you go). Rahmir lost the or b/c he’s out there pancaking people at 5 10 and a generous 200 LBs.

 

[HerbRedman]

Real contenders block great on the edges. Rhule knows this is the next level up to make offense better. Also invite for younger players to step up in practice — like Malachi if you want see the field here you go). Rahmir lost the or b/c he’s out there pancaking people at 5 10 and a generous 200 LBs.

Yeah as Dean or Robin said (can't remember): "Quinn Clark, Keelan Smith - want to see the field? Start cleaning people out in practice"

Our 3 oldest WRs (Banks, Neyor, Bonner) were the worst offenders. I say let the young guys play if they can't/won't do it

 

[Stan Raymond]

Like, I get the hate toward McGuire....but you also should be able to count on your 5th yr SR WR to have the initiative & drive to run routes correctly.

Everyone's in love with Jacory Barney's performances so far. So McGuire is coaching him well, apparently.

But Neyor and Banks run lazy routes, so McGuire isn't coaching them well, apparently.


It's just odd to me. It's almost like the older guys aren't taking the coaching but the younger guys are. The young WRs did pretty well last year. So McGuire was a good coach last year. But he's a terrible coach this year. Except for Barney who he's doing an amazing job with. Maybe little Garrett needs to grow a pair and get in the old guys (WRs) faces a bit. Threaten PT. etc

It's all too contradictory IMHO. I can't follow the message board takes on it bc they all contradict. It's almost like message boarders shouldn't be full time assistant coaches.

Barney hasn't run many routes downfield, mostly just quick crosses and he hasn't been on the field much without the ball, hasn't been in position to block. So it's a bit inconclusive if Barney is "taking" the coaching better or not.

 

[HerbRedman]

Barney hasn't run many routes downfield, mostly just quick crosses and he hasn't been on the field much without the ball, hasn't been in position to block. So it's a bit inconclusive if Barney is "taking" the coaching better or not.

My point is, people are generally way too quick to blame the position coach and it annoys me. Like, 2 brand new, veteran WRs are two games into their NU tenure and people are already like "McGuire is really sucking this year." It's a dumb oversimplistic way of viewing things. Real life isn't that black and white. It completely absolve the player of any wrongdoing or laziness or lack of focus etc.

I did the same thing when I stood up for Donovan Raiola when everyone wanted him fired. I was Donnie's biggest advocate and, surprise, I ended up right in the end.

I'm not saying assistant coaches never deserve stick from the fanbase....but in general I think fans go there too quickly as a simple reflex action. It's the anthem of the football moron "gotta fire the position coach." It's just stupid.

McGuire had a good year last year both coaching the young WRs and recruiting (again, he recruited Barney away from Miami). He's got 2 experienced WRs that are brand new to him - and frankly they should know how to run routes and block a DB at this point. Banks has been in major CFB for 4 seasons already FFS.

Sorry - you hit on my pet peeve. The "let's blame the position coach" reflex is the anthem of the football moron.

 

[tman87]

It's interesting looking back on the comments on Barney. Almost everyone always talked about how he was always going full speed. That really stands out when no one else is

Our WRs are running lazy toes and not getting much separation. That has to change or the better teams on the schedule will shut down our offense

Barney is a burner (not Barner haha colt mccoy). But plenty of other guys (including banks and neyor) have wheels, too. You can see the lack of effort watching replays and game breakdowns.

Some kids just don't put out the same effort, and you can definitely spot the guys that are putting in full effort in practice vs the ones who could, but don't. That often flows over into games, also. Actually, it usually does, although some big name older players can be pretty lazy in practice and turn it on much better for games.

When I heard the Barney stuff and how he was full bore in practices from the coaches, it was a great sign to me. Even though coach speak in post practice pressers can be BS or fluffing at times, in this case it seemed like we might have a young speedster who also has the mindset to really be successful given the coaches multiple comments in fall camp about how he went hard all the time. Kid is a big weapon for us and with that kind of work ethic and want-to, he will be very successful.

 

[Stan Raymond]

My point is, people are generally way too quick to blame the position coach and it annoys me. Like, 2 brand new, veteran WRs are two games into their NU tenure and people are already like "McGuire is really sucking this year." It's a dumb oversimplistic way of viewing things. Real life isn't that black and white. It completely absolve the player of any wrongdoing or laziness or lack of focus etc.

I did the same thing when I stood up for Donovan Raiola when everyone wanted him fired. I was Donnie's biggest advocate and, surprise, I ended up right in the end.

I'm not saying assistant coaches never deserve stick from the fanbase....but in general I think fans go there too quickly as a simple reflex action. It's the anthem of the football moron "gotta fire the position coach." It's just stupid.

McGuire had a good year last year both coaching the young WRs and recruiting (again, he recruited Barney away from Miami). He's got 2 experienced WRs that are brand new to him - and frankly they should know how to run routes and block a DB at this point. Banks has been in major CFB for 4 seasons already FFS.

Sorry - you hit on my pet peeve. The "let's blame the position coach" reflex is the anthem of the football moron.

LOL, no worries.

I agree with you. It's a lazy analysis. I was just pointing out that it isn't a proper comparison of Barney to Banks, Neyor and Bonner as they have had different roles on the field up to this point.

But to your point I agree, the assistant often gets blamed, or the coordinator and it isn't always their fault. Satterfield has taken an unfair rash of crap for the 2nd half. Rewatchng it, I think he called a pretty darn good game. Our execution on offense got really sloppy. But then again Rhule has already pointed it all out and is taking corrective actions. Our perimeter blocking has not been good, Rhule knows it, Satterfield knows it, McGuire knows it, I feel pretty good that it will get fixed. Rhule has fixed everything that he has brought up so far. Foley is another lightning rod for criticism by fans that don't know what is going on. A kicker misses a kick and they want Foley's head.

Oh well, happy with where we are and who we have leading it all.

Really like the Murray breakdowns. Just see what is going on so much better. I watched the one for She as well, really showed our coverage. We played well on defense, but Colorado's offense was a mess and She did not play well at all. His draft stock is dropping by the day. 3rd QB at best in the draft right now and slipping.

 

[tman87]

It's embarrassing that our guys that "go hard" are freshmen & soph (Dylan, Jacory, Dowdell).

One other theory is that the JR & SR WRs were expecting us to go air raid this season with Dylan and they'd each get like 10 targets/game. And then they get surprised we're super conservative vs CU so they got lackadaisical w their routes and blocking out of frustration.

Everyone on earth knew that CU game plan was gonna be conservative AF though....they should have known it was gonna be a lot of run plays & simple passes, esp in Dylan's first few games

It's a team game. That doesn't always mean getting to do the fun, sexy stuff, it means do your job on every play, or see your playing time go down. Do your job, no matter the play call.

I’m not taking Aaron Murray analysis as gospel.

You don't have to. It's all there on film. Use your own eyes. Banks has been running some lazy, lackadaisical routes, and the blocking could be better at times (not just Banks, just using him as an obvious example). It's there on film to watch, don't need an ex NFL QB to "explain" something one can see right now film. Although Murray pointing it out does make it more obvious.

I've long complained about our WR blocking, especially on bubble screens. This has been a years long thing, dating back until at least from when Frost first became HC, but probably some even before that (I blocked out a lot of those shitty years). It's a little odd, as Ron Brown was HUGE on receivers having to be at least decent blockers, and really we were proud as a WR group to be the best blocking receivers in CFB. And Brown has been coaching (even if unofficially) throughout much of this time where the blocking on the perimeter has been suspect. I guarantee he is not happy about it, but maybe his pull and coaching chops aren't what they were. Although when I see him in clips even from this recent fall camp, he sure doesn't sound or look like a guy who will put up with lazy routes and lazy blocking. I know he is not our WR coach, but he's there coaching out on the field, and was always very detail oriented on this stuff. Would think his presence and input would make a difference, even if his fastball may not be what it was.

 

[HerbRedman]

LOL, no worries.

I agree with you. It's a lazy analysis. I was just pointing out that it isn't a proper comparison of Barney to Banks, Neyor and Bonner as they have had different roles on the field up to this point.

But to your point I agree, the assistant often gets blamed, or the coordinator and it isn't always their fault. Satterfield has taken an unfair rash of crap for the 2nd half. Rewatchng it, I think he called a pretty darn good game. Our execution on offense got really sloppy. But then again Rhule has already pointed it all out and is taking corrective actions. Our perimeter blocking has not been good, Rhule knows it, Satterfield knows it, McGuire knows it, I feel pretty good that it will get fixed. Rhule has fixed everything that he has brought up so far. Foley is another lightning rod for criticism by fans that don't know what is going on. A kicker misses a kick and they want Foley's head.

Oh well, happy with where we are and who we have leading it all.

Really like the Murray breakdowns. Just see what is going on so much better. I watched the one for She as well, really showed our coverage. We played well on defense, but Colorado's offense was a mess and She did not play well at all. His draft stock is dropping by the day. 3rd QB at best in the draft right now and slipping.

Excellent points.

And to be clear: McGuire is accountable for the WR play. Just like Donovan Raiola was accountable for the OL play in 2022. Just like Ed Foley is accountable for the STs play. And on and on.

I just think it's lazy analysis to immediately go to "gotta fire this asst coach" when a player or two has a couple bad games.

Foley is an interesting one (while we're on the topic). I think he's largely been good in revamping our STs. PRs are really improved this year. Buschini looks better. We've blocked some kicks.

But Foley is accountable to the fact we may not have a guy on our roster who can hit a 35 yd FG. Which is a big big problem. So that almost trumps everything's else he's doing this year. They've got to figure that out.

But us having a 5th yr WR who runs lazy routes and doesn't block well... I mean, the guy's already had 4 yrs of P5 level coaching. To blame it all on McGuire is kind of dumb IMO. That situation is basically a PT issue. If you can't do basic stuff you should be benched. I'm sure in 4 yrs of receiving coaching at Wake Forest they probably covered route running a practice or two. It's really a question of want-to at this point (if you're a 5th yr SR).

 

[Stan Raymond]

Excellent points.

And to be clear: McGuire is accountable for the WR play. Just like Donovan Raiola was accountable for the OL play in 2022. Just like Ed Foley is accountable for the STs play. And on and on.

I just think it's lazy analysis to immediately go to "gotta fire this asst coach" when a player or two has a couple bad games.

Foley is an interesting one (while we're on the topic). I think he's largely been good in revamping our STs. PRs are really improved this year. Buschini looks better. We've blocked some kicks.

But Foley is accountable to the fact we may not have a guy on our roster who can hit a 35 yd FG. Which is a big big problem. So that almost trumps everything's else he's doing this year. They've got to figure that out.

But us having a 5th yr WR who runs lazy routes and doesn't block well... I mean, the guy's already had 4 yrs of P5 level coaching. To blame it all on McGuire is kind of dumb IMO. That situation is basically a PT issue. If you can't do basic stuff you should be benched. I'm sure in 4 yrs of receiving coaching at Wake Forest they probably covered route running a practice or two. It's really a question of want-to at this point (if you're a 5th yr SR).

On the Foley thing, we recruit regionally and positionally, and we did bring in two other kickers this year and Alvano is injured. We don't know the whole deal, maybe Rhule didn't allow another roster spot or NIL money for another kicker, maybe Rhule told him to back off as he believed in Alvano. I don't know the deal, so I won't assign blame. But Rhule does own a part of this as he either stopped a possible kicker joining the team or told Foley not to pursue one or didn't make Foley pursue one. A lot of ST mistakes I put on the HC, always have. If it is a schematic issue, I blame the ST coordinator, but if it's a lack of execution, then I put it on the HC. ST Coordinator doesn't decide how much practice time he gets, or even what players he gets to use. ST coordinator doesn't teach the blocking or the tackling. There are a lot of hands in making successful ST, it's up the HC to prioritize it and make it all work together. Maybe Alvano will be fine once he's healthy, I hope so. Just a lot of different parts to ST and I think it's pretty lazy analysis to just call for the ST Coordinators head when a kicker misses a kick.

I'm just not ready to blame Foley for any ST issue at this time.

 

[Sous Chef]

Listening to the Dean & Sip show....they said that the coaches had some "tough conversations with the WRs about perimeter blocking" after the CU game. They said the coaches may put in a 'no block no rock' policy for the WRs.

Dean said that you can't bench Banks & Neyor for not blocking.
Sip & Robin said hell yes you can.

Reality is, UNI film is gonna be easy to look good in. So I'm not sure how much we'll learn there. Every one of our guys should be able to truck their UNI counterpart TBH

What can be seen is effort and execution of fundamentals regardless of who the opponent is.

 

[Alcaus]

Like, I get the hate toward McGuire....but you also should be able to count on your 5th yr SR WR to have the initiative & drive to run routes correctly.

Everyone's in love with Jacory Barney's performances so far. So McGuire is coaching him well, apparently.

But Neyor and Banks run lazy routes, so McGuire isn't coaching them well, apparently.


It's just odd to me. It's almost like the older guys aren't taking the coaching but the younger guys are. The young WRs did pretty well last year. So McGuire was a good coach last year. But he's a terrible coach this year. Except for Barney who he's doing an amazing job with. Maybe little Garrett needs to grow a pair and get in the old guys (WRs) faces a bit. Threaten PT. etc

It's all too contradictory IMHO. I can't follow the message board takes on it bc they all contradict. It's almost like message boarders shouldn't be full time assistant coaches.

I think it's interesting that Satt gets all the shit from Saturday but no one mentions McGuire or Donnie when their groups are committing all the procedural penalties and not blocking. TEs have looked good so far.

Satt is the OC so I get that it starts and ends with him but I think there's a lot of people looking for any reason to jump up his ass.

Guys have to execute as well. Glad we're bitching after two wins.

 

[Kazman5k]

I’m not taking Aaron Murray analysis as gospel.

Ya I get that our wr blocking may not be what we want it to be yet. But I feel like we are kind of running with it mostly because of these videos.

 

[HerbRedman]

I think it's interesting that Satt gets all the shit from Saturday but no one mentions McGuire or Donnie when their groups are committing all the procedural penalties and not blocking. TEs have looked good so far.

Satt is the OC so I get that it starts and ends with him but I think there's a lot of people looking for any reason to jump up his ass.

Guys have to execute as well. Glad we're bitching after two wins.

I actually think Satt is going to look good this yr w a competent QB, I think the issue 2nd half was the kids had bad execution due to emotional letdown. Let's face it CU game and week was a weird one. Every other game will at least be normal.

Satt will always have his haters. My hope is that they'll be objective. But if he is poor then he'll deserve it. But it's not what I'm predicting.