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[Faux Sean Callahan]

So what would you say is the difference between Frost's and other spread offenses?

QB run game. I feel he uses it more than others.

Others will just use more RPO looks.

Frost also uses more motion than most spread teams. He has gone away from using as much high tempo as defenses and rules have adjusted.

Spread is such a broad term anymore. There are so many different variations.

 

[Pipe Line]

QB run game. I feel he uses it more than others.

Others will just use more RPO looks.

Frost also uses more motion than most spread teams. He has gone away from using as much high tempo as defenses and rules have adjusted.

Spread is such a broad term anymore. There are so many different variations.

I don't exactly know how to ask this question, but there was a Nebraska fan account earlier this week, I think Monday, that was talking about an article on the spread and basically said defenses have learned how to adjust to stop it and it's easier now since everyone runs a version of it, and that someone has to come up with a new way offensively to beat teams and change the spread.......what do we think is the next evolution? I don't know how you go any faster than Oregon used to, or have more playmakers on the field, or change up personnel groupings or variations of play calls....is it as simple as just continuing to watch athletes evolve over the years and get freakier and better through childhood development and try and win recruiting battles for them?

 

[Mavsker]

4D chess from HCSF...all our TEs are "injured" right up until the Oklahoma game, when they make a miraculous and instantaneous recovery...

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I don't exactly know how to ask this question, but there was a Nebraska fan account earlier this week, I think Monday, that was talking about an article on the spread and basically said defenses have learned how to adjust to stop it and it's easier now since everyone runs a version of it, and that someone has to come up with a new way offensively to beat teams and change the spread.......what do we think is the next evolution? I don't know how you go any faster than Oregon used to, or have more playmakers on the field, or change up personnel groupings or variations of play calls....is it as simple as just continuing to watch athletes evolve over the years and get freakier and better through childhood development and try and win recruiting battles for them?

Sipple was talking about it earlier this week. Basically it was talking about the tempo aspect of it. The rules have changed and defenses have adapted to the tempo aspect.

One of the things Frost/Chip use to do was on the first play of a drive they didn't have the advantage of tempo. SO they wanted to create an advantage and what they started to do was adding motions to the 1st play then going fast.

What we have noticed since Frost arrived the tempo of his play calling has gone down and the use of motion has gone up.

Now I can tell you he still plans on situationally using tempo, but playing in the best defensive division in the nation it is much more important to have execution vs going really fast to try and force a mistake. JMO.

The scheme is very tough to stop. You essentially have to stop the run with a light box. If you can't do that consistently you compromise your defense elsewhere. Til recently Nebraska didn't have WRs who could win 1-1 on the edge. So you see teams want to play their safeties in ways they wouldn't typically. If that was down in the box or both closer to the LOS. Lets be real, no B1G DC is scared of Noa or Kade.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

I don't exactly know how to ask this question, but there was a Nebraska fan account earlier this week, I think Monday, that was talking about an article on the spread and basically said defenses have learned how to adjust to stop it and it's easier now since everyone runs a version of it, and that someone has to come up with a new way offensively to beat teams and change the spread.......what do we think is the next evolution? I don't know how you go any faster than Oregon used to, or have more playmakers on the field, or change up personnel groupings or variations of play calls....is it as simple as just continuing to watch athletes evolve over the years and get freakier and better through childhood development and try and win recruiting battles for them?

I don't know that I necessarily agree with this. You maybe don't get the easy stuff as much as you used to and the schemes are more complicated, but I don't think there's a defense that has really figured out how to stop the spread. Our expectations of what good defense are have just completely adjusted.

 

[alt f4]

Hmmmm..... That was a fun shit talking session.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I don't know that I necessarily agree with this. You maybe don't get the easy stuff as much as you used to and the schemes are more complicated, but I don't think there's a defense that has really figured out how to stop the spread. Our expectations of what good defense are have just completely adjusted.

Saban even talked last year about what a “good” defense looks like now.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Sipple was talking about it earlier this week. Basically it was talking about the tempo aspect of it. The rules have changed and defenses have adapted to the tempo aspect.

One of the things Frost/Chip use to do was on the first play of a drive they didn't have the advantage of tempo. SO they wanted to create an advantage and what they started to do was adding motions to the 1st play then going fast.

What we have noticed since Frost arrived the tempo of his play calling has gone down and the use of motion has gone up.

Now I can tell you he still plans on situationally using tempo, but playing in the best defensive division in the nation it is much more important to have execution vs going really fast to try and force a mistake. JMO.

The scheme is very tough to stop. You essentially have to stop the run with a light box. If you can't do that consistently you compromise your defense elsewhere. Til recently Nebraska didn't have WRs who could win 1-1 on the edge. So you see teams want to play their safeties in ways they wouldn't typically. If that was down in the box or both closer to the LOS. Lets be real, no B1G DC is scared of Noa or Kade.

Stopping the run with a light box is why NW has been pretty successful against us on defense. That’s what their stunts and their scheme is designed to do. When they get in trouble is when teams have freaks on the outside that make them get out of what they like to do on defense. Are we that team this year? I hope so. Not having to play against Paddy Fisher is gonna definitely help.

 

[Pipe Line]

Sipple was talking about it earlier this week. Basically it was talking about the tempo aspect of it. The rules have changed and defenses have adapted to the tempo aspect.

One of the things Frost/Chip use to do was on the first play of a drive they didn't have the advantage of tempo. SO they wanted to create an advantage and what they started to do was adding motions to the 1st play then going fast.

What we have noticed since Frost arrived the tempo of his play calling has gone down and the use of motion has gone up.

Now I can tell you he still plans on situationally using tempo, but playing in the best defensive division in the nation it is much more important to have execution vs going really fast to try and force a mistake. JMO.

The scheme is very tough to stop. You essentially have to stop the run with a light box. If you can't do that consistently you compromise your defense elsewhere. Til recently Nebraska didn't have WRs who could win 1-1 on the edge. So you see teams want to play their safeties in ways they wouldn't typically. If that was down in the box or both closer to the LOS. Lets be real, no B1G DC is scared of Noa or Kade.

Yeah I understand. I think Omar and Toure and Martin are probably enough to atleast create some attention to change some defensive looks. I mean on paper, the scheme sounds pretty good. My opinion after a few years now is that it's a little pretty boy, just my opinion, but I'm probably wrong on that too.

 

[Pipe Line]

I don't know that I necessarily agree with this. You maybe don't get the easy stuff as much as you used to and the schemes are more complicated, but I don't think there's a defense that has really figured out how to stop the spread. Our expectations of what good defense are have just completely adjusted.

I'm not sure it's as much as the scheme per se and "stopping the spread" as it's just the athletes are better and faster and bigger and stronger over the last decade, than they were when Chip was killin it.

 

[Pipe Line]

Hmmmm..... That was a fun shit talking session.

is that literally you?

 

[...TrueColors...]

Yeah I understand. I think Omar and Toure and Martin are probably enough to atleast create some attention to change some defensive looks. I mean on paper, the scheme sounds pretty good. My opinion after a few years now is that it's a little pretty boy, just my opinion, but I'm probably wrong on that too.

Why is it pretty boy?

 

[Pipe Line]

Why is it pretty boy?

I listened to Rob Zatechka on their Doc Sports Podcast one night and he was talking about the spread blocking scheme compared to the one he blocked for back in the day. He described the spread blocking as more of deal where you just kinda "blanket" the defenders and your RB waits for a hole to open, while the ones he blocked for were more create holes for the RB by actually driving the defenders back and out of the picture. I know it's been debunked a few times on here but it's always been stuck in my head. I believe it was after the Minnesota game last year that he said that.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I listened to Rob Zatechka on their Doc Sports Podcast one night and he was talking about the spread blocking scheme compared to the one he blocked for back in the day. He described the spread blocking as more of deal where you just kinda "blanket" the defenders and your RB waits for a hole to open, while the ones he blocked for were more create holes for the RB by actually driving the defenders back and out of the picture. I know it's been debunked a few times on here but it's always been stuck in my head. I believe it was after the Minnesota game last year that he said that.

He’s essentially talking about zone blocking vs Gap. The issue really is that Zatechka was either throwing red meat to the boomers, or he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about.

“Back in the day” blocking schemes vs the ones now are basically the exact same. We mix elements of gap and zone in our scheme.

Disappointing to hear from a guy like RZ.

 

[Jim14510]

Is that your ass @alt f4

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I fucking can't stand Zatechka.... You talk about a guy who panders to "run the bawl guy" and dumbs it down it is him. He is smart enough to know that some of the run schemes we run today are the exact same that he ran.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Hmmmm..... That was a fun shit talking session.

 

[Pipe Line]

He’s essentially talking about zone blocking vs Gap. The issue really is that Zatechka was either throwing red meat to the boomers, or he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about.

“Back in the day” blocking schemes vs the ones now are basically the exact same. We mix elements of gap and zone in our scheme.

Disappointing to hear from a guy like RZ.

Probably just giving people what they want to hear then. What's the difference then if schemes are the same? I think probably execution the most.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

Probably just giving people what they want to hear then. What's the difference then if schemes are the same? I think probably execution the most.

Do you have the Athletic? If so, I can track down a really, really good piece they did comparing Cockeye's blocking scheme v. Wisconsin. Cockeye is all zone v. Wisconsin is pretty much all gap.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Probably just giving people what they want to hear then. What's the difference then if schemes are the same? I think probably execution the most.

Execution and the other teams every game having equal or greater talent.