Busch

[Jim14510]

analogize

Was skeptical this was a real word. Well done.

 

[hothouse_corn]

I'd take Busch over Mickey

Busch not staying makes me a sad panda

I think all pandas are sad since they seem to have so much trouble reproducing. I'm not a panda expert though.

K. I hope there’s a 30 year old GA at UMass that can coach WRs at the same level as Mickey Joseph can and no other P5 school has noticed yet.

This isn’t going to be a staff worth 7m. There wouldn’t have been any reason 5m couldn’t have gotten the dudes we have now.

We’ve seen this movie before and we know exactly how it ends.

JFC dude have a drink and pull yourself together, you go from being all SF even when he’s clearly a terrible coach right up till him being fired, to being all in on Rhule, to the sky is falling is falling now one day later. Things are never as good or bad as we make them out to be, probably a good lesson to take in

I think I understand why so many people called out @...TrueColors... for white knighting now. At the time, I think I was equally annoyed by the white knights and the accusers of white knighting.

I love Mickey, and think he's a great recruiter and pretty damn good coach. I'd like for him to be retained. At the same time, I won't throw a big fit if he isn't retained.

 

[...TrueColors...]

JFC dude have a drink and pull yourself together, you go from being all SF even when he’s clearly a terrible coach right up till him being fired, to being all in on Rhule, to the sky is falling is falling now one day later. Things are never as good or bad as we make them out to be, probably a good lesson to take in

I have said more than once I’m just as if not more curious and interested in who he hires to be on staff with him. On game day, it’s not your head coach vs theirs. It’s you’re full staff 1-11 against theirs.

Nebraska should be able to hire an undisputed top 3 in the conference staff. Hiring the type of guy he has thus far doesn’t get us there.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I think all pandas are sad since they seem to have so much trouble reproducing. I'm not a panda expert though.





I think I understand why so many people called out @...TrueColors... for white knighting now. At the time, I think I was equally annoyed by the white knights and the accusers of white knighting.

I love Mickey, and think he's a great recruiter and pretty damn good coach. I'd like for him to be retained. At the same time, I won't throw a big fit if he isn't retained.

No idea what you’re trying to say here

 

[11husker23]

No idea what you’re trying to say here

Something about panda sex I think?

 

[hothouse_corn]

No idea what you’re trying to say here

To make it more clear, you were constantly accused of "white knighting" for Frost. I was often more annoyed at that time with the accusers of white knighting than with your posts.

ITT, I think your criticism of hires that haven't been officially announced are "black knighting" Rhule. I assume Black Knights were the bad guys in folk lore, but I'm not an expert.

For Fuck Sake, give it a few days for the new guy since you gave it five years for the last guy. I also gave five years for Scrote, but I don't espouse to be as knowledgeable as you do.

 

[slattimer]

because there’s not a better WR coach in the nation than him.

I think it's a fairly clear consensus out there that Brian Hartline regarded as the top WR coach in the nation. Nothing against Mickey, I think he's really good.

 

[slattimer]

Objectively Rhule does have a history of identify up and coming coaches. His past staffs seem to blend some more experienced guys with some hungry up and comers that seem to go on and have decent careers. Time will tell if that is the case with this staff.

This is where I'm at. I'm not overly concerned who Rhule hires.

#1. He's the first what I would call proven college coach that has turned teams around in multiple stops.
#2. He's shown to not only develop players, but develop coaches

We just had Frost, who in all reality, lacked HC experience, brought in his whole staff. Most of which, you'd probably consider underqualified.
Riley, who most thought was an underwhelming hire to begin with, brought in his crew. I wouldn't say they were underqualified across the board, but Riley was on the ass end of his career.
Bo made underqualified hires...like Fischer the golf coach, who I thought did a pretty solid job.

Some of you know this, maybe most. But it should be obvious. Coaches want to coach with guys they know/trust or have worked with before - OR - come with recommendations from guys they know/trust in the game. That's how this shit works. All HC's. All of them, want their assistants to move up the totem poll, get paid, and make a better life for their family. That's precisely why you see really good coaches with an early history in their career from jumping around year to year starting at lowly positions and quickly moving up through the world to eventually being position coaches at larger programs. Shit, the same can be said about Mickey, he hasn't been at stops very long, and that's a good thing IMO as you work your way up.

So yeah, I think it'd be great of Rhule keeps Mickey on staff. I'd have no reservations like some do if there would be some weird power struggle or not on the same page. That's not how the industry works IMO. But if it's not meant to be, so be it. Rebuilding the program is bigger than one guy or a handful of recruits and players.

 

[...TrueColors...]

To make it more clear, you were constantly accused of "white knighting" for Frost. I was often more annoyed at that time with the accusers of white knighting than with your posts.

ITT, I think your criticism of hires that haven't been officially announced are "black knighting" Rhule. I assume Black Knights were the bad guys in folk lore, but I'm not an expert.

For Fuck Sake, give it a few days for the new guy since you gave it five years for the last guy. I also gave five years for Scrote, but I don't espouse to be as knowledgeable as you do.

Couple things….

First, I’m really not going to comment on the whole “white knight” shit. You know as well as I that term was thrown around when it really didn’t apply. You can’t call someone a white knight when the behavior you’re talking about doesn’t fit into the definition of a white knight.

Next, I hope this works. I was expecting Rhule to come in and hire a staff full of proven, established, and successful professionals with a ton of experience. Clearly, I was wrong. The staff he’s putting together should make anyone nervous. The Big Ten is not a league to learn on the job. But it appears Rhule believes it can be done.

Again, hope he’s right and I’m wrong. I want this team to be a top 3 coached team in the big ten. I’m really not sure you’ll be able to put it there after he’s done assembling his staff.

 

[Juro]

Couple things….

First, I’m really not going to comment on the whole “white knight” shit. You know as well as I that term was thrown around when it really didn’t apply. You can’t call someone a white knight when the behavior you’re talking about doesn’t fit into the definition of a white knight.

Next, I hope this works. I was expecting Rhule to come in and hire a staff full of proven, established, and successful professionals with a ton of experience. Clearly, I was wrong. The staff he’s putting together should make anyone nervous. The Big Ten is not a league to learn on the job. But it appears Rhule believes it can be done.

Again, hope he’s right and I’m wrong. I want this team to be a top 3 coached team in the big ten. I’m really not sure you’ll be able to put it there after he’s done assembling his staff.

No hires have been bad really. Yes, they're not the very experienced staff fans are always looking for when a coach gets hired or making hires midseason. Every coach is going to hire staff that he trusts. The biggest thing that Rhule has shown us is that he has taken no names in the P5 conferences and turn them into very well-respected staff members on other staffs.

I really trust Rhule on this one.

 

[...TrueColors...]

No hires have been bad really. Yes, they're not the very experienced staff fans are always looking for when a coach gets hired or making hires midseason. Every coach is going to hire staff that he trusts. The biggest thing that Rhule has shown us is that he has taken no names in the P5 conferences and turn them into very well-respected staff members on other staffs.

I really trust Rhule on this one.

But WHY do we always have to try to do things the hard way? There is no good reason he can’t go hire the best and most established here. But he’s chosen not to thus far.

Like I said awhile back; I’m done with these experiments. I want as sure of a thing as possible. The only way to give yourself the best chance at that is to hire the best people around you.

 

[herbsinator]

But WHY do we always have to try to do things the hard way? There is no good reason he can’t go hire the best and most established here. But he’s chosen not to thus far.

Like I said awhile back; I’m done with these experiments. I want as sure of a thing as possible. The only way to give yourself the best chance at that is to hire the best people around you.

The top position coaches in the country are looking for coordinator and HC jobs, they’re not going to lateral to Nebraska. If we’re hiring guys that have been position coaches for 20 years, than that means they’re probably not the best guys out there. Give specific names of people you think Rhule should have gone after….

 

[...TrueColors...]

The top position coaches in the country are looking for coordinator and HC jobs, they’re not going to lateral to Nebraska. If we’re hiring guys that have been position coaches for 20 years, than that means they’re probably not the best guys out there. Give specific names of people you think Rhule should have gone after….

We’ve got a 25 page Google document that is referenced in various threads about offensive and defensive staffs that @Lionsfan93 put together that I’ll direct you to.

 

[Juro]

But WHY do we always have to try to do things the hard way? There is no good reason he can’t go hire the best and most established here. But he’s chosen not to thus far.

Like I said awhile back; I’m done with these experiments. I want as sure of a thing as possible. The only way to give yourself the best chance at that is to hire the best people around you.

There are always good reasons why it doesn't work out the fanbase wants. You can't just go to Texas A&M and pluck their best recruiter and defensive line coach because that coach might want to stay there for a little while (for personal reasons or pay or something). So you offer incentives they might take like Co-DC so you can give them a little extra bump.

Or even the running back coach? He could have been an up and coming coach in that region that Rhule wants to tap into for talent. And the numbers speak for themselves at UConn. If it's someone you believe is going to be a good coach and work well with you and your staff, it's better than throwing money at a top level coach in the SEC and hoping they mesh well with your staff.

These hires do seem like a little more strategic than the last few head coaches.

 

[slattimer]

But WHY do we always have to try to do things the way

I think Juro and I have both said why. You know the game. Coaches hire guys they can trust, have worked with, or get recommendations from. Besides lower level positions, in a high pressure situation, doesn't matter if it's here or most other places, guys hire their guys. The only real exception I can think of is Saban.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I think Juro and I have both said why. You know the game. Coaches hire guys they can trust, have worked with, or get recommendations from. Besides lower level positions, in a high pressure situation, doesn't matter if it's here or most other places, guys hire their guys. The only real exception I can think of is Saban.

I’m not suggesting he should have gone out and hired a ton of guys he’s unfamiliar with. But from his own inner circle, I think he could do quite well. Just kind of worried we might take a few too many chances on guys.

 

[Tsakoi]

I would just like to point out that lots of people spent the last 11 weeks complaining about our new hire OC that was.....

A: Old as fuck
B: Had more experience than everyone else on staff
C: Was successful at his previous stop
D: Literally limped into retirement

So now complaining about younger, up and coming hires seems a bit..... (how should I say this)......bitchy.

 

[alt f4]

Lol you’re still mad about Uncle Wideouts?? He must be coaching at Alabama or Georgia right now??

He's actually with the Baltimore Ravens right now.

Ravens

www.baltimoreravens.com

 

[herbsinator]

He's actually with the Baltimore Ravens right now.

Ravens

www.baltimoreravens.com

Assistant to the assistant coach

 

[Juro]

I’m not suggesting he should have gone out and hired a ton of guys he’s unfamiliar with. But from his own inner circle, I think he could do quite well. Just kind of worried we might take a few too many chances on guys.

I mean, every coach is going to be a chance. Rhule himself was a chance guy. Look at Rhule's philosophies about recruiting and seem how that could apply to his coaching circles. Not a lot of proven coaches across the P5 are going to come in a lateral move unless they're fired or about to get fired. Or in Whipple's case, come for the retirement package.

We'll have to get up and coming guys, Rhule's typical followers, or coaches that will only come if they get offer a bump in title change, like Robinson from aTm. I'm guessing Robinson will not come unless he has at minimum a co-defensive coordinator role. Same with a lot of other coaches on both sides.