Wilhite On Burrows Recruitment

[Mustangblood]

That 2019 opener has to go down as one of the worst regressions of a top player we've ever had.

I missed the game live but I remember all of my non-football following relatives going "Adrian looks bigger and slower." I finally get to the game tape and sure enough, they were right. Deep down every Husker fan knew we were fucked at that point - only question was how long you were going keep up your denial about it.

I usually have some out there sports takes with the guys, but the one I got attacked the most was that I said frost was not working and needed to be fired the Covid year. I can hang my hat on being right on that one take atleast

 

[Huskerforlife]

Scortch also fucked up with Zane Flores.

 

[Huskerbuck85]

Scortch also fucked up with Zane Flores.

Didn’t he also have a shot at Duggan?

 

[Huskerforlife]

Didn’t he also have a shot at Duggan?

Exactly, Max Duggan too.

 

[That SOB Van Owen]

Guys this was years ago. Corch Scote and Geriatric Harry Potter would have ruined him anyway.

Only Transfer QB I care about is Jeff Sims and I guess Casey Thompson. And Purdy if we can get his brother to be his body double.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Scortch also fucked up (insert almost any Nebraska football related thing here).

 

[kaz36]

Chris Klieman also fell for it. Klieman had a better QB on his roster in Will Howard and he STILL stuck with Adrian. Even after Adrian bombed out in a home loss to Tulane, Klieman STILL stuck with him.

I don't exonerate Frost at all... just interesting that a very intelligent coach like Klieman was also fooled/seduced by Adrian's All-Pro practice sessions.

Let's not act like Will Howard was a world beater coming into the season either. The dude was a 54% career passer with 9 TD and 11 INT coming into the season. I assume they were enamored with Martinez ability to run the ball and liked that element that he brought and him coming in would allow KSU to play Howard in the max 4 games and redshirt him.

The amazing thing with Adrian/KSU is that after the horrendous Tulane loss (which was almost all Adrian's fault), the entire KSU fanbase turned on AM. "Nebraska fans were right about Adrian" and on and on. I figured Adrian was done for.. yet Klieman went right back to him the next week.

I am asking this as a serious question as I didn't watch the game, but what did Adrian do that made the loss almost all of his fault? I looked at the stats and he was 21/31 passing with 1 TD and 0 INT, 12 carries for 59 yards and 0 TD. It doesn't show that he turned the ball over, but looked like he may have checked down a lot as 21 completions and only throwing for 150 yards seems like it is underwhelming. I did watch a bit of some other games early and it did seem like he played pretty tentatively in his first few games.


The thing about Adrian was, when he was at Nebraska, you could look at his stat line and think he had a great game. 25/35 for 310 yards passing with 3 TD/1 INT, 100 yards rushing with 1 TD. Looking at that you would think, wow, what a game. But, digging further into it, that one interception came with the team up 3 points with 6 minutes left to play at our own 20 yard line to set up the winning score for the other team. Then a fumble on the final drive with a chance to win it. You could just never count on him when the chips were down and it was time to win the game.

I loved the kid as he was a great person, but just couldn't be counted on to win the big one. When NU had a chance at Burrow, I said at the time that NU needed to take him if he would come here as we really didn't know what we had at QB. We had Martinez who was a true freshman that was coming off of a bad HS shoulder injury, unproven Tristan Gebbia, transfer Noah Vedral and a walk on in Andrew Bunch. Frost making the "is he better than what we've got" statement is a microcosm of his time at NU. He just couldn't get out of his own way.

 

[vailhusker]

Since we are talking about QB misses

Easton Stick 2014 Pro Style Quarterback North Dakota St

Easton Stick - 2014 2 Star Pro style quarterback for Pickle Smoochers Prep (Omaha, NE) on Rivals.com

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Stick holds the record for most wins by a starting quarterback in NCAA Division I FCS history.

Easton Stick - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TooTall]

After the first 5 minutes, I am feeling sick. RUFKM Scrote really was the colossal of all colossal fuck-ups.

 

[GAHusker]

Since we are talking about QB misses

Easton Stick 2014 Pro Style Quarterback North Dakota St

Easton Stick - 2014 2 Star Pro style quarterback for Pickle Smoochers Prep (Omaha, NE) on Rivals.com

n.rivals.com

Stick holds the record for most wins by a starting quarterback in NCAA Division I FCS history.

Easton Stick - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And he is still in the NFL

 

[CybrrMonky71]

It is revisionist history when people talk about Pelini being good here. The big ten west was very close to being the worst division in football during his time and his program was about to crater.

Let’s all remember him and Tim Beck were prepared to sign Kevin Dillman as their Qb for that class after basically telling Burrow to fuck off.

It’s no worse than Frost signing Haarberg.

The way I remember it Bo/Beck had Dillman committed & stopped looking for anyone else. The Burrows visited, Beck had no idea who they were & basically told them to fuk off bc he thought he was a walkon hopeful just taking a tour of the facilities
Dillman had a sub par Jr seadon & didn’t play varsity in Texas his Sr year bc he wasn’t eligible due to transfer rules
It was a massively stupid way Bo/Beck handled the QB room basically putting all eggs in 1 basket & starting them 4 yrs.
Haarberg got some sniffs from Clemson & Frost & crew offerred without doing much evaluation. Frost had been around so many great college QBs at his prior stops the way they evaluated QBs (& missed) here was confounding. Adrian “should have been” the guy but Captain Pasta Sauce screwed him up bigly. Frost did him no favors by forcingJurgens in WAY before he was ready & Adrian became distracted in pre snap just hoping to secure erratic snaps than reading the defense.
Burrow should send both Bo & Frost a portion of his NFL salary bc he’s selling insurance for State Farm if he doesn’t go to LSU.

 

[CybrrMonky71]

If you want to give your boy Frost another pass go ahead. Haarberg was never worthy of a scholarship. People at Kearney Catholic could have told you that. The one thing that isn’t debatable is that Pelini should have definitely offered Joe and many others over Dillman after Lamar said no.

I’m not defending Haarberg but everyone knows college football recruiting is 70% measurables
Haarberg looks like an NFL QB physically
Whipple mentioned him immediately when he took the OC job & Rhule mentioned him immediately after being hired
He’s physically impressive looking
But he’s extremely raw. I don’t think Frost & staff ever took him to “be the guy” but as a developmental project. He was going to get a D1 scholarship somewhere bc he hits the measurables &has the arm strength.
Problem was everyone in our QB room was in the same category

 

[Pipe Line]

I’m not defending Haarberg but everyone knows college football recruiting is 70% measurables
Haarberg looks like an NFL QB physically
Whipple mentioned him immediately when he took the OC job & Rhule mentioned him immediately after being hired
He’s physically impressive looking
But he’s extremely raw. I don’t think Frost & staff ever took him to “be the guy” but as a developmental project. He was going to get a D1 scholarship somewhere bc he hits the measurables &has the arm strength.
Problem was everyone in our QB room was in the same category

I wonder if Frost legitimately expected to be here long enough to even develop Haarbergh at all, or if he took the commit to appease the state.

 

[Cash68847]

I’m not defending Haarberg but everyone knows college football recruiting is 70% measurables
Haarberg looks like an NFL QB physically
Whipple mentioned him immediately when he took the OC job & Rhule mentioned him immediately after being hired
He’s physically impressive looking
But he’s extremely raw. I don’t think Frost & staff ever took him to “be the guy” but as a developmental project. He was going to get a D1 scholarship somewhere bc he hits the measurables &has the arm strength.
Problem was everyone in our QB room was in the same category

You nailed the last part. Pelini and Frost had too many projects and run first qbs.

 

[Cash68847]

The way I remember it Bo/Beck had Dillman committed & stopped looking for anyone else. The Burrows visited, Beck had no idea who they were & basically told them to fuk off bc he thought he was a walkon hopeful just taking a tour of the facilities
Dillman had a sub par Jr seadon & didn’t play varsity in Texas his Sr year bc he wasn’t eligible due to transfer rules
It was a massively stupid way Bo/Beck handled the QB room basically putting all eggs in 1 basket & starting them 4 yrs.
Haarberg got some sniffs from Clemson & Frost & crew offerred without doing much evaluation. Frost had been around so many great college QBs at his prior stops the way they evaluated QBs (& missed) here was confounding. Adrian “should have been” the guy but Captain Pasta Sauce screwed him up bigly. Frost did him no favors by forcingJurgens in WAY before he was ready & Adrian became distracted in pre snap just hoping to secure erratic snaps than reading the defense.
Burrow should send both Bo & Frost a portion of his NFL salary bc he’s selling insurance for State Farm if he doesn’t go to LSU.

According the LJS this was Dillman’s offer list at the time. Florida State, Auburn, Arizona, Arizona State, Clemson, Cal, Colorado, Louisville, Ole Miss, Tennessee, UCLAbia, Vanderbilt, Washington and Utah. He was also a 250 player on one of the sites. It was very stupid not to give Burrow a scholarship especially since he was a legacy, but Dillman was getting more run than Haarberg. My point is they were both projects and Nebraska shouldn’t take projects unless they take two qbs. It made sense with Cody Green and Martinez. The backup plan worked to a degree there.

 

[Ext. 55]

Nope, not doing this to myself.

 

[CornFed Gregger]

Let's not act like Will Howard was a world beater coming into the season either. The dude was a 54% career passer with 9 TD and 11 INT coming into the season. I assume they were enamored with Martinez ability to run the ball and liked that element that he brought and him coming in would allow KSU to play Howard in the max 4 games and redshirt him.

I am asking this as a serious question as I didn't watch the game, but what did Adrian do that made the loss almost all of his fault? I looked at the stats and he was 21/31 passing with 1 TD and 0 INT, 12 carries for 59 yards and 0 TD. It doesn't show that he turned the ball over, but looked like he may have checked down a lot as 21 completions and only throwing for 150 yards seems like it is underwhelming. I did watch a bit of some other games early and it did seem like he played pretty tentatively in his first few games.


The thing about Adrian was, when he was at Nebraska, you could look at his stat line and think he had a great game. 25/35 for 310 yards passing with 3 TD/1 INT, 100 yards rushing with 1 TD. Looking at that you would think, wow, what a game. But, digging further into it, that one interception came with the team up 3 points with 6 minutes left to play at our own 20 yard line to set up the winning score for the other team. Then a fumble on the final drive with a chance to win it. You could just never count on him when the chips were down and it was time to win the game.

I loved the kid as he was a great person, but just couldn't be counted on to win the big one. When NU had a chance at Burrow, I said at the time that NU needed to take him if he would come here as we really didn't know what we had at QB. We had Martinez who was a true freshman that was coming off of a bad HS shoulder injury, unproven Tristan Gebbia, transfer Noah Vedral and a walk on in Andrew Bunch. Frost making the "is he better than what we've got" statement is a microcosm of his time at NU. He just couldn't get out of his own way.

If there was any available All-22 on Adrian, I think everyone could see why AM wasn’t the guy. Physically impressive but mentally lacking & half the problem is that Frost was never the QB coach we believed him to be. I think we got 2 dipshits who had little understanding of how to actually coach the position. It’s sounds like those bosses who harp on the same pointless bs cuz it’s the only thing they believe to understand & everything is stuck spinning it’s wheels for no reason.

Harry Potter & Jordan Belfort constantly preached about mechanics, overemphasized protecting the football, pointless 1000 question quizzes & meaningless statistical analytics. All of it created AM who couldn’t see/anticipate windows or mentally process something basic like situational football. He was the QB that defenses never have to make any adjustments.

Last year I said Casey would be better than AM & imo that turned out to be true. Getting him back will be a big boon to our offense, especially if the OL can be fixed to a competent level & the run game turns into something legit with Grant/Allen. With that he can just manage the game with his head & we don’t need to worry about his lack of arm strength or small hands.

 

[CybrrMonky71]

According the LJS this was Dillman’s offer list at the time. Florida State, Auburn, Arizona, Arizona State, Clemson, Cal, Colorado, Louisville, Ole Miss, Tennessee, UCLAbia, Vanderbilt, Washington and Utah. He was also a 250 player on one of the sites. It was very stupid not to give Burrow a scholarship especially since he was a legacy, but Dillman was getting more run than Haarberg. My point is they were both projects and Nebraska shouldn’t take projects unless they take two qbs. It made sense with Cody Green and Martinez. The backup plan worked to a degree there.

I remember the Dillman ranking but I think he was a “projected 5 star” based on his So year
There was a lot of interest from big schools early (unsure of how many actual offers)
From what I remember he committed before his Jr yr to us. Had a terrible Jr year (might have gotten injured) moved from California to Texas between his Jr & Sr seasons, never played Varsity in Texas bc he was ineligible from the transfer. Bo & Beck never got ahead of things bc they “thought they had their guy” but should have been looking for a Plan B when there was only bad JR film on him.
Bos staff got lucky with Martinez. I seem to remember he was a California player of the yr but few were recruiting him as a QB. Most wanted him as a corner (kinda a Cam Taylor Britt deal). We took him as a QB but he was a project as well. Once he got here it became evident nobody could catch him when he ran so we kinda hit the lottery on a scratcher ticket. Cody Green was considered the better “QB prospect” bc of his size & experience in Texas HS football
The Burrow thing is just weird & gives validity to “the curse”
We literally had the best QB in the NFL running up & down the stadium steps as a kid. He grew up a Husker fan & wanted to be a Husker but THREE STAFFS passed on him
Bo/Beck are the most unforgivable
Riley dipped their toes in but thought all the “good players” were in California so didn’t do enough to get him to flip from Ohio St (who hired the guy as OC who pissed them off here at Nebraska)
& Frost who put a bunch of work in getting Martinez (thinking he was the choosen one) & decided yo pass on Burrow bc they thought they had their “program changing QB”. There was literally NoBODY who thought Burrow was better than Martinez after 2018. Burrow looked like a game manager at LSU & Martinez had flashed ability not ever seen before out of a Nebraska QB. It’s like “freaky Friday” happened between the 18 & 19 seasons between the 2 & they swapped trajectories.
It feels like we’re in an alternate universe where, as a Nebraska fan, no matter what choice made, a swift kick in the nuts follows

 

[Pepe Silvia]

According the LJS this was Dillman’s offer list at the time. Florida State, Auburn, Arizona, Arizona State, Clemson, Cal, Colorado, Louisville, Ole Miss, Tennessee, UCLAbia, Vanderbilt, Washington and Utah. He was also a 250 player on one of the sites. It was very stupid not to give Burrow a scholarship especially since he was a legacy, but Dillman was getting more run than Haarberg. My point is they were both projects and Nebraska shouldn’t take projects unless they take two qbs. It made sense with Cody Green and Martinez. The backup plan worked to a degree there.

the fact that Dillman ended up going to North Texas as a TE tells me that those were not committable offers

 

[Cash68847]

the fact that Dillman ended up going to North Texas as a TE tells me that those were not committable offers

It also says recruiting rankings also have plenty of politics in it if he was a top 250 player.