What does under center have to do with it?Soooo hear me out.....could we run spread from under center when we pass, and also run the option and do all the running plays under the same offense?
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What does under center have to do with it?Soooo hear me out.....could we run spread from under center when we pass, and also run the option and do all the running plays under the same offense?
I don't have a problem running the old style option every once in a while. We've done it against Ohio State the last two years. Its a quirky change-up.Soooo hear me out.....could we run spread from under center when we pass, and also run the option and do all the running plays under the same offense?
This...Don't believe you can be successful finding the talent for it.It was great
But you cannot find the personnel to run it.
Was.
Was Great.
Cam got you fucking shook lolSoooo hear me out.....could we run spread from under center when we pass, and also run the option and do all the running plays under the same offense?
It kind of rustles my Wilsons that it's a quirky one off wrinkle instead of something they use more regularly. Why bother putting it in to run against the best team on the schedule and then never go back to it?I don't have a problem running the old style option every once in a while. We've done it against Ohio State the last two years. Its a quirky change-up.
I would like to see it more often than we have. At least until other teams scheme against it and it starts sucking.It kind of rustles my Wilsons that it's a quirky one off wrinkle instead of something they use more regularly. Why bother putting it in to run against the best team on the schedule and then never go back to it?
GT transitioned out of it when they hired Collins. I think you'd run the triple option to make up for deficits in talent, which is why I'd entertain Monken or Coach Ken at Nebraska personallyThis...Don't believe you can be successful finding the talent for it.
I guess you could look to Georgia Tech who I believe still runs the triple option and see how it works there. In turn Army/Navy run the flexbone...maybe we go that rout.
Georgia Tech fired their coach that ran it a few years ago.This...Don't believe you can be successful finding the talent for it.
I guess you could look to Georgia Tech who I believe still runs the triple option and see how it works there. In turn Army/Navy run the flexbone...maybe we go that rout.
Paul Johnson retired I believeGeorgia Tech fired their coach that ran it a few years ago.
Yes sorry. He did ok. He was 83-60 while at GT. Two 11-3 seasons.Paul Johnson retired I believe
Yes sorry. He did ok. He was 83-60 while at GT. Two 11-3 seasons.
Many consider the flexbone a spread option offense because it has 4 vertical threats. Basically. You can throw 4 verts.Here’s the thing though.. with the vertical threats PJ had on the field, he still considered his offense a “spread option” offense.
@slattimer can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe many consider the birth of the “spread” to be when Bill Walsh took the fullback off the field *gasp* and replaced it with another WR. It created an additional vertical threat on the field and it removed a player from the box, forcing the defense to “spread” out. I believe the word spread to refer to what the offense makes the defense do.
I'm going to try to piece together this response the best I can as I'm not very knowledgeable in X's and O's.Getting an OL coach that could teach IZ/OZ, as well as Milt did would make any offense go. Could Frost teach that system that Osborne ran, possibly? He'd have better insight in it than most, but he had what...3-4 years in it. Not exactly a long time to become an expert in the coaching world, not saying it isn't possible to do.
Would it be effective today, it could be. #1, it's drastically different than almost any team runs. But DL are bigger and freakier than ever too.
1. No I don't think other teams would be doing it even if they could or thought they could. Mainly because these spread offenses are a bunch of eye candy and look cool and exciting and fun an score a million points. It's "sexy'" and attractive. As we all know, the option offense is not sexy. Yeah ya know I guess if I'm being honest, I would be satisfied with basically a Wisconsin role for about 5 years, smash mouthing our way to the Big 10 title game and putting up a fight against Ohio State, yeah I can be happy with that for a while. But, as the way competitors work, we want more. In the long run, no, I'd hope Frost, like Osborne, could get good enough with it and continue to get better players for it and just continue to get better overall with it to get back to a national level with it. I think the fact that literally no one else runs that form of offense, that's relevant, at all, could allow that to happen, yes.Fun to think about but I don't see it as a realistic move. Nothing is more fun than a perfectly timed option pitch where the QB takes the hit and the RB takes it to the house.
- I guess it depends on what level of success you classify "working" as. If you want Big10 West levels of success (i.e. trips to the B10 CCG every few years and OSU beating you down before heading to the CFP) then I think an option offense could work. But it's just too one-dimensional in my opinion. If it was feasible in today's game don't you think other teams would be doing it?
- Ironically you've listed 3 of the best offenses in the NFL. I'd also include GB, CHI, and others. Are you talking about a spread specific offense or one that operates out of shotgun? I'd agree that most NFL offenses don't solely run spread but most incorporate it and many are west coast style, shotgun oriented offenses.
- I think Frosts offense is what he knows best. If he can't teach this offense to the team is he going to have a better time teaching one from 23 years ago?
- I think Adrian would be interesting in an option offense but I don't get the feeling that he or Luke have the "feel" when it comes to option football. They don't have great decision making and Adrian likes to fumble the ball.
1. I do think it works, honestly I do. My thoughts have changed though in the last few years in that I think you need elite talent at every skill position to make it work the way Frost wants it to work. Which is fine, but we're not at that spot right now. Those kids go to tOSU if they're coming to the Big 10 right now. And based on where we're at in the Frost tenure, I don't think he can buy enough time to play that long haul game anymore in order to convince those high end recruits that tOSU gets and say "here's the progress". So then what's the difference then if being under center doesn't matter? Is it strictly having the athletes and the talent to make that happen? I say yes. As I'm much more of a believer of you need the athletes regardless to make elite things happen, more so than elite coaches. But, that's up for debate.#1 - Pretty Boy smoke and mirrors spread offense grinds the living fuck out of my gears. I'll just get that out of the way 1st. Many offenses are zone based. They use the exact same principles that Milt Tenopir taught in Nebraska's hay day running Inside and Outside zone to death. This notion that you need to be under center to play physical football, frankly, is just wrong.
#2 - More and more NFL teams are operating out of the spread. You listed 3, there's many more, Carolina, Arizona, Houston, Chicago, New Orleans, etc., etc.
#3 - Yes, that is true for any offense. Just because you're in the spread, I, bone, flexbone, wing-t, etc, etc, etc, does not change that. The nuances in Osborne's offense was just as multiple as a spread offense can be. The only real difference is in the RPO game.
#4 - IMO, Luke would be a better QB in Osborne's system, the PAP game would fit his arm strength level, not saying Martinez couldn't do it. Nebraska runs the ball at a clip right now from a Twitter state I saw today, one of the highest in the country.
You sure? I feel like a lot still run a good mix of shotgun/under center.I would say you're wrong. Majority of teams basically run the spread without the qb run option.
Nothing I guess. Feels good?What does under center have to do with it?
I guess why not do it more and make it part of the offense?I don't have a problem running the old style option every once in a while. We've done it against Ohio State the last two years. Its a quirky change-up.
haha I did not trust that move to put him back in against Cockeye in the second half but no he didn't. I trust him, I honestly do. I'm no stranger to struggles and stressful ass sports situations so I get what he's going through.Cam got you fucking shook lol
I get it
If for some reason Frost ever did do it, I think you hire Coach Ken immediately. Doesn't have to be OC, but give him an important role in that transition.GT transitioned out of it when they hired Collins. I think you'd run the triple option to make up for deficits in talent, which is why I'd entertain Monken or Coach Ken at Nebraska personally
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