***Official don’t buy any bullshit they try selling you, offseason thread***

[The Bearded One]

OL .... 💩💩💩💩💩.....OL

 

[DrinkItIn]

Yes. 6 wins with losses in Frost fashion is absolutely the worst case scenario.

I am worried about the same thing. If these are the 6 wins is that real progress in year 5? But I guess as long as the losses are close right? Apparently, that's all that matters to a lot of people.

NW
North Dakota
Georgia Southern
Buttgers
Purdoodoo
Illinois

 

[tman87]

I am worried about the same thing. If these are the 6 wins is that real progress in year 5? But I guess as long as the losses are close right? Apparently, that's all that matters to a lot of people.

NW
North Dakota
Georgia Southern
Buttgers
Purdoodoo
Illinois

It's minimal progress if that's how it plays out, but not enough progress. How the team plays and how many wins they can rack up will determine Frost's future. If the same old issues are happening with a new QB, really good special teams coach, new and better WR and RB coaches, plus a new and experienced OC... then you have to lay the blame on Frost. Play on the field in actual games will tell us what we need to know. You can only shuffle the deck so many times with the same head coach, if this shuffle doesn't show significant progress then time for a new deck to shuffle - especially at head coach.

 

[Alcaus]

It's minimal progress if that's how it plays out, but not enough progress. How the team plays and how many wins they can rack up will determine Frost's future. If the same old issues are happening with a new QB, really good special teams coach, new and better WR and RB coaches, plus a new and experienced OC... then you have to lay the blame on Frost. Play on the field in actual games will tell us what we need to know. You can only shuffle the deck so many times with the same head coach, if this shuffle doesn't show significant progress then time for a new deck to shuffle - especially at head coach.

When I think about it I'm left wondering how this season can't be a significant improvement over last season.

We've basically pushed our HC into an overseer role. What are his contributions on gameday? If he's focusing on the game entirely we should see better in-game management. Whipple can competently coordinate a gameplan on his own.

This season feels like we've put the bumpers up for Frost, he's being forced to stay in his lane. At the same time I don't see how that continues if the offense struggles. If he's fighting for his job you'd think he'd want some control over his destiny and that feels like this season's Achilles heel.

 

[Poor_and_Stupid]

Honestly, as long as the seasons outcome makes it perfectly obvious what needs to happen moving forward I'll be happy.

Hoping for a 8-9 win turnaround and a top-20 recruiting class, though.

I’m taking the “there is no hope” approach this year, and somehow they are still gonna let me down.

 

[Jim14510]

I’m taking the “there is no hope” approach this year, and somehow they are still gonna let me down.

No matter how low my expectations are it is still depressing to lose.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

I hope they go 2-10 or 10-2. anything in the middle of that is too much iffy gray area.

 

[tman87]

When I think about it I'm left wondering how this season can't be a significant improvement over last season.

We've basically pushed our HC into an overseer role. What are his contributions on gameday? If he's focusing on the game entirely we should see better in-game management. Whipple can competently coordinate a gameplan on his own.

This season feels like we've put the bumpers up for Frost, he's being forced to stay in his lane. At the same time I don't see how that continues if the offense struggles. If he's fighting for his job you'd think he'd want some control over his destiny and that feels like this season's Achilles heel.

I agree that it should take an act of God for this season to be worse than last... but so many incredibly bad and unlikely things and ways to lose games has happened since Frost got here.... I would not be surprised at anything at this point.

Frost obviously wasn't handling game decisions well, and the thought that him being the actual OC (even if we had one in name besides him), was taking too much of his bandwidth to properly head coach the team and do so adequately during games, seems sound. There are lots of big time head coaches that basically oversee and let assitants/OC/DC do the play by play calls during the game. Frost is not T.O. - who was not only the CEO head coach, but also the actual offensive coordinator (and did that extremely well as we all know) - and could handle both duties extremely well. T.O. did trust his assistants and DC very much, but he also was involved in much of those decisions being made personally. Frost has not shown the ability to be able to juggle those duties as well as T.O.. I really don't have a problem bringing on an actual OC who can truly call plays play by play.... but will Frost keep his nose out of things enough to let Whipple do this? And then can he make better gameplan and big decisions with less on his plate? That is the plan, let's see if it works.

Frost will still likely have a lot of input (if not actual play calling some at times) to control his own destiny, but he needs to let these well paid assistants do their jobs. The learning curve time has passed for Frost - he either figures out how to be a Head Coach of a successful team this season, or not at all at NU.

 

[11husker23]

I mean I wouldn't say I'm excited about that scenario but it does seem like a good possibility.

Heavy sarcasm Jim...been burned too many times by this staff

 

[11husker23]

I agree that it should take an act of God for this season to be worse than last... but so many incredibly bad and unlikely things and ways to lose games has happened since Frost got here.... I would not be surprised at anything at this point.

Frost obviously wasn't handling game decisions well, and the thought that him being the actual OC (even if we had one in name besides him), was taking too much of his bandwidth to properly head coach the team and do so adequately during games, seems sound. There are lots of big time head coaches that basically oversee and let assitants/OC/DC do the play by play calls during the game. Frost is not T.O. - who was not only the CEO head coach, but also the actual offensive coordinator (and did that extremely well as we all know) - and could handle both duties extremely well. T.O. did trust his assistants and DC very much, but he also was involved in much of those decisions being made personally. Frost has not shown the ability to be able to juggle those duties as well as T.O.. I really don't have a problem bringing on an actual OC who can truly call plays play by play.... but will Frost keep his nose out of things enough to let Whipple do this? And then can he make better gameplan and big decisions with less on his plate? That is the plan, let's see if it works.

Frost will still likely have a lot of input (if not actual play calling some at times) to control his own destiny, but he needs to let these well paid assistants do their jobs. The learning curve time has passed for Frost - he either figures out how to be a Head Coach of a successful team this season, or not at all at NU.

Isn't this thread about not buying the koolaid and keeping our expectations low...

 

[11husker23]

No matter how low my expectations are it is still depressing to lose.

Last year sitting in East Lansing watching that game it just felt like a matter of time before we did something to fuck it up even when our defense was playing outstanding. Then that ridiculous punt return happened and the wheels came off. Frost has mastered the art of getting the offseason hype machine to churn out feel good stories reminiscent of the good old days. The one consistent thing he has done is allow himself to get out-coached by teams we should beat. I thought when he was hired he might be just what Nebraska needed to get back to being a consistent winner, but the results have been less than optimal so far.

 

[Jim14510]

Last year sitting in East Lansing watching that game it just felt like a matter of time before we did something to fuck it up even when our defense was playing outstanding. Then that ridiculous punt return happened and the wheels came off. Frost has mastered the art of getting the offseason hype machine to churn out feel good stories reminiscent of the good old days. The one consistent thing he has done is allow himself to get out-coached by teams we should beat. I thought when he was hired he might be just what Nebraska needed to get back to being a consistent winner, but the results have been less than optimal so far.

That's a perfect example. I was waiting for us to fuck that game up and when it happened I still wanted to kill random people with a spoon.

 

[Jim14510]

Yes I was eating a big bowl of ice cream at the time. Fuck you @Baron Winnebago

 

[tman87]

Isn't this thread about not buying the koolaid and keeping our expectations low...

I think my post was kinda adding to that.

 

[Alcaus]

That's a perfect example. I was waiting for us to fuck that game up and when it happened I still wanted to kill random people with a spoon.

Which is worse? Playing alright and fucking it up at the end and losing or playing like shit, fucking up most opportunities and losing (Minnesota)?

 

[Poor_and_Stupid]

Which is worse? Playing alright and fucking it up at the end and losing or playing like shit, fucking up most opportunities and losing (Minnesota)?

I want to say option 1 because the very acute pain suffered is the most memorable. For example when we had that retarded punt get returned against Michigan State I fucked up one of the reclining seats on my couch in a fit of rage.

However option 2 is a similar level of pain that is dispersed over multiple hours. Nothing really stands out about it looking back, but I know the whole experience was very torturous.

The conclusion is that Nebraska football lets us experience the entire spectrum of pain. Dying and going to hell would be a pretty easy transition for a Nebraska fan. It’s probably not much different.

 

[Kaladin]

don't worry you guys, just go watch the batman movies

Harvey Dent said "The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming."

 

[slattimer]

State I fucked up one of the reclining seats on my couch in a fit of rage.

Glad to hear I'm not the only that flies into fits of rage when Nebraska sucks.

 

[djw004]

I am worried about the same thing. If these are the 6 wins is that real progress in year 5? But I guess as long as the losses are close right? Apparently, that's all that matters to a lot of people.

NW
North Dakota
Georgia Southern
Buttgers
Purdoodoo
Illinois

You cannot convince me of a way we go 7-5 and ANYONE is happy with it.

We either flounder in our opener - win a couple - play well but lose to oklahoma - go on a run through midseason - then drop 3 straight to finish

We open with 7 straight - then drop our last 5

We win our first 3 - drop one to Oklahoma - win 2 - lose 2 to Purdoodoo/Illinois/Minnesota - then go 1-2 against Michigan/Wisconsin/Cockeye

You get the point - but there isn't 1 combination of 7-5 that I would say I'm comfortable with labeling a "success" or even "adequate improvement"

 

[11husker23]

I think my post was kinda adding to that.

Just trying to remain pessimistic until proven otherwise. I'm hopeful that we will improve, but every time I think we're going to take a step forward Frost finds a new way to lose that I couldn't even imagine. I hope purging some of his drinking buddies does some good and gets us over the hump.