Breaking John Butler DC

[kctitans]

No. Just as we're not requiring Dana to recruit either. We have A+ recruiters on staff. We're just gonna have to pay to get some. Williams from Methzou is a good start.

Not quite sure how many times this has to be said but I’m guessing at least 100 more before it sinks in

 

[Interloper]

I think questioning the hire is reasonable, based off what we know. Rhule himself said that there was a ton of interested parties in the job. Why did he say that?

He probably did have some high level guys' interest...speculation on my part, Rhule wants to be hands on with the D and collaborate with his DC and that might have spooked some guys/Rhule/both (seemed to shoo TW out of here, anyway). Butler and Snow together working with Rhule, if the synergy is there, could really be special. Guess we'll see, results now depend on getting some monsters out of the portal, obviously.

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

This fucking picture of him AIN'T helping - looks like a fucking ground squirrel just digging away.

Fuck I hate everything.

He's treading water in a sweat pool in yore mom's back fat.

 

[rsmacke]

I think it came down to one thing. Butler agreed to be micromanaged by Rhule and Snow. Rhule wanted Snow involved and external candidates wanted full control of the defense.

Bingo

 

[Krup21]

Who are we calling A+ recruiters on the defensive side of the ball? Simpson...then...who?

DiMichel, Mozee, Dvorcek, Shorts by most accounts are loved. If we didn't get Simpson we would've lost every Miami guy on the roster. Fact. Rhule & Dvorchek are great in NJ/Philly & NE. Shorts/Texas. Mozee/Methzou/Kansas. DiMichele/Louisiana. Don/Hawaii. Not sure we have a Cali guy. I'm pretty sure that Foley and Barthel are gone after the bowl game. That's 2 more opportunities. Are we hiring a db coach?

 

[djw004]

Not quite sure how many times this has to be said but I’m guessing at least 100 more before it sinks in

So many more - equating the two Coordinator hires is utterly ruhtarded.

If you think John Butler carries the same cache, college football connections, and systematic plan of addressing position coach deficiencies with high impact solutions as Dana does, you're lying to yourself. Maybe Johnny B will work out - but it won't be because he's Dana's equal on the defensive side.

 

[Herbie]

DiMichel, Mozee, Dvorcek, Shorts by most accounts are loved. If we didn't get Simpson we would've lost every Miami guy on the roster. Fact. Rhule & Dvorchek are great in NJ/Philly & NE. Shorts/Texas. Mozee/Methzou/Kansas. DiMichele/Louisiana. Don/Hawaii. Not sure we have a Cali guy. I'm pretty sure that Foley and Barthel are gone after the bowl game. That's 2 more opportunities. Are we hiring a db coach?

Shorts is a North east/jersey guy. He’s only spent a couple years in Texas

 

[Poor_and_Stupid]

This is a complete 180 from what someone told me came directly from Rhule’s mouth the other day.

With all the leaks we have had, it makes me wonder if some insiders are purposely being fed false info to see if it ends up here. That would out them as the rat if they were the only one that was given that info.

 

[djw004]

DiMichel, Mozee, Dvorcek, Shorts by most accounts are loved. If we didn't get Simpson we would've lost every Miami guy on the roster. Fact. Rhule & Dvorchek are great in NJ/Philly & NE. Shorts/Texas. Mozee/Methzou/Kansas. DiMichele/Louisiana. Don/Hawaii. Not sure we have a Cali guy. I'm pretty sure that Foley and Barthel are gone after the bowl game. That's 2 more opportunities. Are we hiring a db coach?

Dvoracek has 3 commits all time associated with his name via 247. 2 as primary 1 as secondary. His 3 commits are from: Omaha, Omaha, Kansas.

Shorts is WR - I said ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE BALL. Simpson, sure and already agreed. Mozee - again defensive side of the ball was the question, I've always read him as a primarily offensive focused guy and just ties to StL. DiMichele, agree with you. Don - again, defensive side of the ball is the question.

We ain't got the recruiters on D people think we do...

 

[Slam Duncan]

Rhule just has to have one shitty coordinator at all times I guess

It’s called job security

 

[Slam Duncan]

This is a complete 180 from what someone told me came directly from Rhule’s mouth the other day.

Aka… the candidate said no

 

[Blakejc]

Butler needs to A) re-learn how to coach younger guys who are 18 not 28 and aren’t professionals and B) do a better job relating to those guys.

 

[Boondock_St_Sker]

Not enuff sandy vagina tags ITT

 

[SloppyKnockers]

Nothing has really changed except now you all know Butler was hired to replace TW.

Did TW get pushed out, or did Rhule's micromanaging ramp up in year 2 to the point that TW couldn't take it anymore and had to get out of Dodge?

 

[Poor_and_Stupid]

Not enuff sandy vagina tags ITT

We are always accepting new members.

 

[Irv]

I think questioning the hire is reasonable, based off what we know. Rhule himself said that there was a ton of interested parties in the job. Why did he say that?

Honestly think he believes it will make people think Butler must be awesome because he beat out qualified candidates.

But it’s really tone deaf. We just got poached, so fans will hear that and think that we will be poaching from someone else.

In the new CFB order, you really want to be the poacher not the poachee.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

Not sure MacDonald applies...the Harbaugh's passed hot commodities back and forth to give them experience for the other brother. John would send Jim his "next DC" and let him learn in college. He literally was hand picked by John Harbaugh when he was like 26 years old to become a Head Coach in the NFL...

Not to mention MacDonald was what, 34 at the time hired and was correctly identified by a sitting long-tenured NFL Head Coach as a soon to be NFL Head Coach. John Butler is 51 and has been turned down as a DC for the last Decade+. They are not the same.
Martindale had been an ST Coordinator or DC since 1996 with brief stops as a position coach in between. DC'd NFL defenses in Denver, Baltimore, New York, and then Michigan. Again - not the fucking same.

Yes, I'm sure the reaction from this board to a many times fired former NFL DC would be very calm and measured.

Rhule obviously has the closest view towards Butler's job performance this year (backed by Snow's QC) and decided to hire him. The FWIW, I've never seen the same "has he called plays" scrutiny for DCs v. OCs.

 

[HuskerGarrett]

Let’s just give it a shot guys, not like we can be much worse than we’ve been the last decade. I think Butler will do a good job.

If we’re not Top 20 total defense next season I’ll post my wife’s nudes.

Here’s to hoping we are 21st

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Honestly think he believes it will make people think Butler must be awesome because he beat out qualified candidates.

But it’s really tone deaf. We just got poached, so fans will hear that and think that we will be poaching from someone else.

In the new CFB order, you really want to be the poacher not the poachee.

At the end of the day though, we can never overcome the fact that the University of Nebraska Lincoln is located in Lincoln Nebraska

 

[Cash68847]

I don't think Butler forgot how to teach secondary play. Really seemed like something was off with the coverage calls v. what the rest of the defense was doing for most of the year (which seems more like a TW problem than Butler).

I saw guys not making plays more than anything. The USC game was brutal. Maybe we better get some better players.