Honestly, have you been that impressed with Rhule since he got here?

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Not quite!

 

[Turn Down for What]

3 plus pages in and someone has yet to say what Rhule has done good here.

 

[Dear_Leader]

We're at the point of inflection. we just saw what Cigaretti can do in a couple years with JMU/Indianus, and i should hold off till after this weekends results but your youre starting to see what Luke #2ndChoice can do as well. proven program builders with top tier assistants who in a couple years not only boast confidence but results on the field.

Did rhule look confident after the game? Cigaretti exposed him and mocked him openly that we arent what people ASSume we are.
something people who have their eyes open can blatantly see.

the car saleman tactics dont work. what rhule has a track record of is:
-locker room culture issues
-limited pool of coaches who will work for him
-hiring inexperienced staff (hit or miss their output, hes not batting 500)
-trying to under recruit and over develop lower star players (outdated if you wanna play with the big bois)
-lack of schematic identity
-lack of game management skills

2 years of watching this and people ignorantly continue to say Im in but Rhule has to do xxxx......
Reality check. This is who he is. the B1G is too much for him. he doesnt have the skills to do this. he never did. 2-21
but we will continue to watch the same Gomers that said 3-4 years into Frosts tenure that he could turn it around say the same thing about rhule.

 

[Sous Chef]

2 years of watching this and people ignorantly continue to say Im in but Rhule has to do xxxx......
Reality check. This is who he is. the B1G is too much for him. he doesnt have the skills to do this. he never did. 2-21
but we will continue to watch the same Gomers that said 3-4 years into Frosts tenure that he could turn it around say the same thing about rhule.

This is so true

 

[HerbRedman]

We're at the point of inflection. we just saw what Cigaretti can do in a couple years with JMU/Indianus, and i should hold off till after this weekends results but your youre starting to see what Luke #2ndChoice can do as well. proven program builders with top tier assistants who in a couple years not only boast confidence but results on the field.

Did rhule look confident after the game? Cigaretti exposed him and mocked him openly that we arent what people ASSume we are.
something people who have their eyes open can blatantly see.

the car saleman tactics dont work. what rhule has a track record of is:
-locker room culture issues
-limited pool of coaches who will work for him
-hiring inexperienced staff (hit or miss their output, hes not batting 500)
-trying to under recruit and over develop lower star players (outdated if you wanna play with the big bois)
-lack of schematic identity
-lack of game management skills

2 years of watching this and people ignorantly continue to say Im in but Rhule has to do xxxx......
Reality check. This is who he is. the B1G is too much for him. he doesnt have the skills to do this. he never did. 2-21
but we will continue to watch the same Gomers that said 3-4 years into Frosts tenure that he could turn it around say the same thing about rhule.

This is scary because there are some truths in here.

I do want to wait for these final 5 games before j pronounce the Rhule era dead however. Your bullet points are a little frightening however.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

3 plus pages in and someone has yet to say what Rhule has done good here.

I mentioned the breakfast he bought

 

[Huskers4420]

-limited pool of coaches who will work for him

You would think the opposite for assistants considering Rhule seems to be pretty hands off in letting most of the position coaches/coordinators do their jobs.

 

[Turn Down for What]

We're at the point of inflection. we just saw what Cigaretti can do in a couple years with JMU/Indianus, and i should hold off till after this weekends results but your youre starting to see what Luke #2ndChoice can do as well. proven program builders with top tier assistants who in a couple years not only boast confidence but results on the field.

Did rhule look confident after the game? Cigaretti exposed him and mocked him openly that we arent what people ASSume we are.
something people who have their eyes open can blatantly see.

the car saleman tactics dont work. what rhule has a track record of is:
-locker room culture issues
-limited pool of coaches who will work for him
-hiring inexperienced staff (hit or miss their output, hes not batting 500)
-trying to under recruit and over develop lower star players (outdated if you wanna play with the big bois)
-lack of schematic identity
-lack of game management skills

2 years of watching this and people ignorantly continue to say Im in but Rhule has to do xxxx......
Reality check. This is who he is. the B1G is too much for him. he doesnt have the skills to do this. he never did. 2-21
but we will continue to watch the same Gomers that said 3-4 years into Frosts tenure that he could turn it around say the same thing about rhule.

A lot of good points in this post but people really don't have to look further than this point right here.

Rhule's record against ranked teams in atrocious!!!!!

And we're only going to be playing more ranked teams going forward with more teams in the conference.

You're not being "negative" if you say something or someone sucks. You're just taking off the rose colored glasses.

 

[HerbRedman]

You would think the opposite for assistants considering Rhule seems to be pretty hands in letting most of the position coaches/coordinators do their jobs.

We were told in the beginning that Rhule basically demands so much in terms of hours and on the recruiting trail that no one over 40 could really work for him. That was the explanation for why his staff was so young.

 

[Huskers4420]

We were told in the beginning that Rhule basically demands so much in terms of hours and on the recruiting trail that no one over 40 could really work for him. That was the explanation for why his staff was so young.

I mean I figured that was more just coach speak. You should be looking to see if your potential hires are proven commodities/winners. Not worrying about their age.

But then again, we've got 5' 10" Doogie Howser telling 6' 4" receivers to block on the perimeter when if I were them I'd be resisting every urge not to stuff my own position coach in a locker.

 

[gtlacey]

A lot of good points in this post but people really don't have to look further than this point right here.

Rhule's record against ranked teams in atrocious!!!!!

And we're only going to be playing more ranked teams going forward with more teams in the conference.

You're not being "negative" if you say something or someone sucks. You're just taking off the rose colored glasses.

Next year will probably be the same amount of ranked teams. There will be some surprises but 2025 is about the same if not easier than 2024.

Also, people say Rhule never beat a ranked team at Baylor. But he beat Texas in 2019, which finished the season ranked that year. I think final rankings is better than saying Georgia Tech has a top-ten win this year because they beat Florida St in week 0.

 

[gtlacey]

3 plus pages in and someone has yet to say what Rhule has done good here.

Ok here's something good: in mid-October, he has at 5-2 with a better than 50% chance (probably greater than 75% chance) of making a bowl game, which we haven't done in 7 years. I'd say that's a good thing.

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[Cornicator]

We're at the point of inflection. we just saw what Cigaretti can do in a couple years with JMU/Indianus, and i should hold off till after this weekends results but your youre starting to see what Luke #2ndChoice can do as well. proven program builders with top tier assistants who in a couple years not only boast confidence but results on the field.

Did rhule look confident after the game? Cigaretti exposed him and mocked him openly that we arent what people ASSume we are.
something people who have their eyes open can blatantly see.

the car saleman tactics dont work. what rhule has a track record of is:
-locker room culture issues
-limited pool of coaches who will work for him
-hiring inexperienced staff (hit or miss their output, hes not batting 500)
-trying to under recruit and over develop lower star players (outdated if you wanna play with the big bois)
-lack of schematic identity
-lack of game management skills

2 years of watching this and people ignorantly continue to say Im in but Rhule has to do xxxx......
Reality check. This is who he is. the B1G is too much for him. he doesnt have the skills to do this. he never did. 2-21
but we will continue to watch the same Gomers that said 3-4 years into Frosts tenure that he could turn it around say the same thing about rhule.

A lot of good points in this post but people really don't have to look further than this point right here.

Rhule's record against ranked teams in atrocious!!!!!

And we're only going to be playing more ranked teams going forward with more teams in the conference.

You're not being "negative" if you say something or someone sucks. You're just taking off the rose colored glasses.

You guys think you're making good points, but you're also off base with your grasping and wavering.

The Rhule vs. rated teams stat is completely misleading due to the number of ranked teams he played in years one at two at Temple, Baylor, and Nebraska:

3 Ranked opponents in year one at Temple
4 ranked opponents in year one at Baylor
3 ranked opponents in year one at Nebraska

In year two at Baylor, he plays 4 ranked teams, all on the road.

The overall winning percentage of FBS head coaches not named Kirby Smart or Nick Saban, who have beaten ranked teams in year one of a new regime or who have a good record vs. ranked teams on the road, is well below 25% across the board.


@Dear_Leader, lives in World where he thinks things typed are fact. Let's break it down:

- THere is no history of "locker room culture" issues with Rhule in his stops at Temple, Baylor, and now Nebraska. If you want to equate being at the helm of the worst franchise in the NFL with Rhule's role, then you're an idiot.

- Limited pool of coaches who will work with him? LOL, Matt Rhule is WIDELY respected around College Football. There are hundreds dozens f Coaches who jump at the chance to work with Rhule.

- Now, the hiring of the inexperienced coaches is certainly a fault of Rhule, but when the man took the job at Nebraska, Mickey Joseph was going to be the WR Coach. That was pretty much a given. And then we all know what happened with Joseph. Rhule was left scrambling and may have mistakenly put some faith in his trust of the McGuire's.

- Nebraska's recruiting and development under Rhule, had ZERO to do with getting their asses handed to them by Indiana, and it had nothing do with the loss to Illinois. You can voice your displeasure of his philosophy and process, but its a separate discussion.


- I think his game management is a reflection of terrible QB play and an abomination surrounding special teams. Its really fucking hard to manage a game when you don't trust your kicker or your quarterback.


As for Cignetti "exposing Rhule," he exposed the staff in the sense that they have NO FUCKING CLUE how to stop the RPO. But if you think how Cignetti built this team is comparable to what Rhule could've done then you're just being naïve.

1. Cignetti, unlike Rhule had the luxury of bringing a bunch of highly productive and experienced players with him from a previous stop. He also showed up and already had a Senior laden offensive line in place with the same coach and blocking scheme. It will be REALLY fucking interesting to see what Cignetti does next season. He will either have a team with 17 new starters or he will take another job without the luxury of bringing in a bunch of transfers.


Now, here's where Rhule needs to wake the fuck up:

1. He doesn't just need to get rid of his OC, he needs to reevaluate his whole God Damn offensive philosophy. I'm not saying there need to be mass wholesale scheme changes. He doesn't need to go Air raid. He doesn't need to run that crazy ass UTEP scheme where they want to run 90 offensive plays per game. But he needs to adapt to modern football and understand that your defense isn't going to hold everyone to 13 points or less, and you can't just expect to be the most "physical team" that takes the field every game.

2. What the FUCK was he thinking this OFF SEASON with the Kicking situation? I KNOW for a fact that many of the highly recruited freshman are making 6 figures+ in NIL. Hell, Mozee's NIL offering for 2025 is almost double what he was going to make at Oregon, and that was before his dad ever took a job in Lincoln. Nebraska should've been able to target the the 10 best G5, FCS, or even other Power conference kickers and offered them a shit ton of money. They should started it before the Spring, and then it should've been ratcheted it up in the Summer when they knew Alvano was hurt.

3. Go call Mack Leftwich at Texas State, write him a check for $1.5 million dollars, and then offer NIL money to Chris Dawn, Jr, and Kole Wilson, two receivers from Texas State who run a 4.3s.

4. Offer 500k to 1 million in NIL to Devonte Ross from Troy and Ted Hurst from Georgia State



Lastly, hire some analyst who has spent the last few years facing the RPO and put together some type of plan to figure out how to stop it going forward.

Also, what happened to Nebraska at Indiana is reminiscent of Bo Pelini getting his defense exploited vs teams like Wisconsin. It happens. Its about being unable to account for certain matchups and that will need to get fixed.


But if you guys can't see some of the good things Rhule has done, then you're just using bias to push a narrative:

1. He's brought professional organization and leadership to all levels of the program. The structure in place for Coach Mozee to build a staff of recruiters and scouts is incredible. Rhule has also built a pipeline between that network and Nebraska's NIL.

2. The number of very young players who are seeing the field early and actually producing is obvious. Are those dudes going to make mistakes? Yes. Will they take some lumps? Absolutely. And it could be painful at times, but development is key to the future of this program because its been a dumpster fire for so long.

3. Discipline is back in place after 8 straight seasons of being non existent under Reilly and Frost. The culture was flipped quickly from that aspect.


Lastly, I BET this team is able to respond with some resilency. I expect them to be competitive vs. Ohio State. Will they lose by 30? Yes, but it will feel a lot differently than the Indiana game. And I bet they end the season on a high note.


There are plenty of reasons to be pissed off Saturday, but you also need to calm down and realize this was always a 6-6 to 8-4 at best football team. Did I think they would lose by 50 to Indiana? No, but I said before the season started that they would lose at Indiana and would be 5-2 going into Ohio State.

They will be 5-3 leaving Ohio State.

I believe they beat UCLA, and then win 1 of the last 3 to go - 7-5 into a bowl game. And that;s progress. That's what Rhule does.

 

[PonyBoy]

His in-game coaching was underwhelming in 2023. He's suppose to be a better coach than Frost, which I agree with, but the 2023 team was a 7-win team with a better coach (Rhule). Because of that opinion, his grade is a C- for last season.

So far this season, he's a B- for me. The Illinois game is inexcusable as I don't think they're better than us & Rhule failed. Indiana, it is what it is and I've moved on. I was hoping for a 6-1 record at this point, and I'm good with a 5-2 record in year 2.

L tOSU
W UCLA
W USC
W WISC
L Cockeye

8-4 and get the extra work in bowl prep. This program, and as important - fan base, desperately needs it. Make the necessary changes with the offensive staff (at least 3 changes; gone are Satt, Barthel, McG with Raiola on notice). Hit the portal where it's needed and let's make a run for a B1G title in 2025.

 

[Dear_Leader]

You guys think you're making good points, but you're also off base with your grasping and wavering.

The Rhule vs. rated teams stat is completely misleading due to the number of ranked teams he played in years one at two at Temple, Baylor, and Nebraska:

3 Ranked opponents in year one at Temple
4 ranked opponents in year one at Baylor
3 ranked opponents in year one at Nebraska

In year two at Baylor, he plays 4 ranked teams, all on the road.

The overall winning percentage of FBS head coaches not named Kirby Smart or Nick Saban, who have beaten ranked teams in year one of a new regime or who have a good record vs. ranked teams on the road, is well below 25% across the board.


@Dear_Leader, lives in World where he thinks things typed are fact. Let's break it down:

- THere is no history of "locker room culture" issues with Rhule in his stops at Temple, Baylor, and now Nebraska. If you want to equate being at the helm of the worst franchise in the NFL with Rhule's role, then you're an idiot.

- Limited pool of coaches who will work with him? LOL, Matt Rhule is WIDELY respected around College Football. There are hundreds dozens f Coaches who jump at the chance to work with Rhule.

- Now, the hiring of the inexperienced coaches is certainly a fault of Rhule, but when the man took the job at Nebraska, Mickey Joseph was going to be the WR Coach. That was pretty much a given. And then we all know what happened with Joseph. Rhule was left scrambling and may have mistakenly put some faith in his trust of the McGuire's.

- Nebraska's recruiting and development under Rhule, had ZERO to do with getting their asses handed to them by Indianus, and it had nothing do with the loss to Illinois. You can voice your displeasure of his philosophy and process, but its a separate discussion.


- I think his game management is a reflection of terrible QB play and an abomination surrounding special teams. Its really fucking hard to manage a game when you don't trust your kicker or your quarterback.


As for Cignetti "exposing Rhule," he exposed the staff in the sense that they have NO FUCKING CLUE how to stop the RPO. But if you think how Cignetti built this team is comparable to what Rhule could've done then you're just being naïve.

1. Cignetti, unlike Rhule had the luxury of bringing a bunch of highly productive and experienced players with him from a previous stop. He also showed up and already had a Senior laden offensive line in place with the same coach and blocking scheme. It will be REALLY fucking interesting to see what Cignetti does next season. He will either have a team with 17 new starters or he will take another job without the luxury of bringing in a bunch of transfers.


Now, here's where Rhule needs to wake the fuck up:

1. He doesn't just need to get rid of his OC, he needs to reevaluate his whole God Damn offensive philosophy. I'm not saying there need to be mass wholesale scheme changes. He doesn't need to go Air raid. He doesn't need to run that crazy ass UTEP scheme where they want to run 90 offensive plays per game. But he needs to adapt to modern football and understand that your defense isn't going to hold everyone to 13 points or less, and you can't just expect to be the most "physical team" that takes the field every game.

2. What the FUCK was he thinking this OFF SEASON with the Kicking situation? I KNOW for a fact that many of the highly recruited freshman are making 6 figures+ in NIL. Hell, Mozee's NIL offering for 2025 is almost double what he was going to make at Oregon, and that was before his dad ever took a job in Lincoln. Nebraska should've been able to target the the 10 best G5, FCS, or even other Power conference kickers and offered them a shit ton of money. They should started it before the Spring, and then it should've been ratcheted it up in the Summer when they knew Alvano was hurt.

3. Go call Mack Leftwich at Texas State, write him a check for $1.5 million dollars, and then offer NIL money to Chris Dawn, Jr, and Kole Wilson, two receivers from Texas State who run a 4.3s.

4. Offer 500k to 1 million in NIL to Devonte Ross from Troy and Ted Hurst from Georgia State



Lastly, hire some analyst who has spent the last few years facing the RPO and put together some type of plan to figure out how to stop it going forward.

Also, what happened to Nebraska at Indianus is reminiscent of Bo Pelini getting his defense exploited vs teams like Wisconsin. It happens. Its about being unable to account for certain matchups and that will need to get fixed.


But if you guys can't see some of the good things Rhule has done, then you're just using bias to push a narrative:

1. He's brought professional organization and leadership to all levels of the program. The structure in place for Coach Mozee to build a staff of recruiters and scouts is incredible. Rhule has also built a pipeline between that network and Nebraska's NIL.

2. The number of very young players who are seeing the field early and actually producing is obvious. Are those dudes going to make mistakes? Yes. Will they take some lumps? Absolutely. And it could be painful at times, but development is key to the future of this program because its been a dumpster fire for so long.

3. Discipline is back in place after 8 straight seasons of being non existent under Reilly and Frost. The culture was flipped quickly from that aspect.


Lastly, I BET this team is able to respond with some resilency. I expect them to be competitive vs. Ohio State. Will they lose by 30? Yes, but it will feel a lot differently than the Indianus game. And I bet they end the season on a high note.


There are plenty of reasons to be pissed off Saturday, but you also need to calm down and realize this was always a 6-6 to 8-4 at best football team. Did I think they would lose by 50 to Indianus? No, but I said before the season started that they would lose at Indianus and would be 5-2 going into Ohio State.

They will be 5-3 leaving Ohio State.

I believe they beat UCLA, and then win 1 of the last 3 to go - 7-5 into a bowl game. And that;s progress. That's what Rhule does.

thats a lot of selling yourself some bullshit.
Ill buy your year 1 statistics anomalies dont do his 2-21 justice, but long term it has stayed the course. he doesn not beat good teams.

as well you literally proved my point
2 years of watching this and people ignorantly continue to say Im in but Rhule has to do xxxx......

-he is known for burning out coaches and micromanaging them.
which causes friction and culture issues as they cannot maintain a life to balance with themselves and the players.

I would rather be wrong, eat crow, and watch him turn it around, but i dont buy your false optimism. in this league even with his resources hes prolly an 8 win team on average.

 

[Cornicator]

-he is known for burning out coaches and micromanaging them.
which causes friction and culture issues as they cannot maintain a life to balance with themselves and the players.

You're so full of shit. He's literally NOT known for this at all.

 

[Sous Chef]

His in-game coaching was underwhelming in 2023. He's suppose to be a better coach than Frost, which I agree with, but the 2023 team was a 7-win team with a better coach (Rhule). Because of that opinion, his grade is a C- for last season.

So far this season, he's a B- for me. The Illinois game is inexcusable as I don't think they're better than us & Rhule failed. Indianus, it is what it is and I've moved on. I was hoping for a 6-1 record at this point, and I'm good with a 5-2 record in year 2.

L tOSU
W UCLA
W USC
W WISC
L Cockeye

8-4 and get the extra work in bowl prep. This program, and as important - fan base, desperately needs it. Make the necessary changes with the offensive staff (at least 3 changes; gone are Satt, Barthel, McG with Raiola on notice). Hit the portal where it's needed and let's make a run for a B1G title in 2025.

If this happens I'll be one of the loudest praising Rhule and the job he's done. I just don't see it happening.

 

[HerbRedman]

If this happens I'll be one of the loudest praising Rhule and the job he's done. I just don't see it happening.

I agree. I don't see enough quality on this team to finish 8-4.

If you look at the P4 games we've really only played 2, maybe 3 good halves of FB (1st half CU, 2nd half Purdue, maybe 1st half Illinois?)

I just don't think this team is very good. And I think the talent was/is overrated. Most of the P4 football we have played this year has not been very good. So if we went 8-4 that would be surprising.

 

[Sous Chef]

I agree. I don't see enough quality on this team to finish 8-4.

If you look at the P4 games we've really only played 2, maybe 3 good halves of FB (1st half CU, 2nd half Purdoodoo, maybe 1st half Illinois?)

I just don't think this team is very good. And I think the talent was/is overrated. Most of the P4 football we have played this year has not been very good. So if we went 8-4 that would be surprising.

I know we all are deep down in a state of shock and want to deny what our eyes are seeing, but we have enough talent to be 8-4. It isn't talent that's getting in the way. Indiana isn't 56-7 better talent wise. Illinois is actually a pretty good team and we had our chances. Right now we have a team that has no faith in their coaches. If you put a gun to their heads and hooked them up to an infallible lie detector it is my belief that you wouldn't be able to find a single blackshirt that wanted to play the schemes we played against Indiana. The fact that we don't utilize the true strengths of the 3-3-5- well my thoughts on this are well documented in another thread.

 

[Runtheball69]

He got Dylan. Okay, that's good.

The defense was awesome last year, but how much of that what Rhule and how much of that was White?

We had a terrible collapse towards the end of last season to make a bowl. Not saying it will happen again this season, but if we lose out (holy moly) or if we win only 1 more game remaining on the schedule, are you really happy or impressed by the work?

A shit ton of us (outside of the sunshine pumpers) thought Rhule brought in a very underwhelming, inexperienced staff kinda like, I don't know, what Frost did. A lot of us thought that was a joke too and looky looky it was.

The recruiting rankings from what I understand is pretty similar to what Frost and Riley did.

Rhule thought Jeff freaking Sims was a sunday QB. He only turned out to be the worst QB in program history.

I get people don't want to be negative to just be negative, but couldn't one say Rhule has been far more disappointing thus far than good? I would say so.

We were a horrible program in shambles when frost left. We are currently sitting at 5-2 with winnable games left on the schedule. He isn't in the big 12 turning a program around anymore. It is a bit more challenging walking into the big ten with a depleted roster and win the conference. Look at how USC and UCLA have faired. Please go cheer for FSU you wont be missed.