Hoiberg hypothetical

[...TrueColors...]

I’m old enough to remember when we were begging to play meaningful basketball in February. Now going dancing twice in a row makes someone “mid.”

Some have forgotten how bad we were.

 

[ATX Husker]

I’m old enough to remember when we were begging to play meaningful basketball in February. Now going dancing twice in a row makes someone “mid.”

Some have forgotten how bad we were.

Thank you!!

 

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Lets clarify a few things:
- Not every portal player is going to be a home run. If you're thinking that, you're going to be disappointed in every team in the country.

I think this might be the most accurate piece of any post I’ve seen as it relates to the portal, regardless of sport.

Guys have a hard time understanding the actual value of players who’re portaling in, or portaling out. They leave and some will say ‘Big loss’ while others will say ‘We encouraged them to move on’. Guys come in and some immediately jump on the ‘Great get’ bandwagon, while others only focus on the fact that they couldn’t (insert perceived weakness at previous stop), so obviously we’re getting damaged goods.

The truth in most cases is almost always somewhere in the middle. You do it right and you’re going to get guys who can contribute, which I certainly agree that Hoiberg has done. I haven’t been happy with what I’ve seen as Fred having too heavy a reliance on the portal, but in fairness, I don’t know how the majority of the P4 teams are handling their rosters right now, so it’s an unfair criticism until I do the research.

 

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I’m old enough to remember when we were begging to play meaningful basketball in February. Now going dancing twice in a row makes someone “mid.”

Some have forgotten how bad we were.

We used to get excited about an NIT invite.

 

[...TrueColors...]

We used to get excited about an NIT invite.

I don’t think many remember how terrible we have been previously. We’ve made the tournament twice since 1997. Now we are complaining about a team that is likely to do it in back to back years and complain about a coach who’s at least somewhat responsible for it.

 

[Mustangblood]

I’ve been very vocal all year I think it’s insane to compare essegian to Keisei as an overall player, but Connor has 100% been a huge get in the portal. He’s done exactly what you’d hope from a young sharpshooter in the portal, he’s come in been our best 3 pt shooter.

 

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I don’t think many remember how terrible we have been previously. We’ve made the tournament twice since 1997. Now we are complaining about a team that is likely to do it in back to back years and complain about a coach who’s at least somewhat responsible for it.

I don’t have any issue with someone taking a stance that we shouldn’t have been as bad as we’ve been since the late ’90’s. I know our basketball history isn’t a huge selling factor on the recruiting trail, but with NU’s resources, a tournament visit at least once every five years should be a low water mark.

To your point, that hasn’t been the case. Not really even close, so I don’t feel it’s fair to judge Hoiberg for the failures of the teams prior to his arrival. On making the tournament this year, I’m not sure we make it this year without winning out, or going deep in the conference tourney, or a little of both, but he should get credit for that for sure. I honestly thought we’d have a much steeper fall off this year than we have, so I’ll give him credit there as well.

 

[jickey moseph]

Why do people continually bring up the Omaha kids that aren't playing here like that is an indictment on Fred? Are any of them at that stupid school in Omaha? Did any of them come back in state after leaving their previous program? I mean, what are we doing? I don't know what point you are trying to prove when some of the kids (the JUCO kid that just committed to Auburn, Wrightsell to Bama that Nebraska even got to visit) are going to TOP FIVE (hell, two of the top 3) programs.

I get that there may have been some swing and misses coming out of high school with Sallis and Chucky, but that is four, five years ago now. Sallis might miss the tournament after transferring to Wake for the second consecutive season. Their only saving grace is that the ACC is absolutely atrocious, and they are beating up on all of the shitters in that conference.

 

[jickey moseph]

I don’t have any issue with someone taking a stance that we shouldn’t have been as bad as we’ve been since the late ’90’s. I know our basketball history isn’t a huge selling factor on the recruiting trail, but with NU’s resources, a tournament visit at least once every five years should be a low water mark.

To your point, that hasn’t been the case. Not really even close, so I don’t feel it’s fair to judge Hoiberg for the failures of the teams prior to his arrival. On making the tournament this year, I’m not sure we make it this year without winning out, or going deep in the conference tourney, or a little of both, but he should get credit for that for sure. I honestly thought we’d have a much steeper fall off this year than we have, so I’ll give him credit there as well.

They win two more and they are probably in, especially if one is Michigan at home and Ohio State on the road. Now, you have two big turds left on the schedule in Minnesota and Cockeye, both at home, that you just can't lose.

 

[RedDeanRedemption]

Very mid in the portal. Still not sold on Fred. Drives me nuts watching how sloppy his teams can be. Given that he will be back next year I’d assume he’d get to .500

If this is really your opinion, I don’t know what’s the point of watching games.

 

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They win two more and they are probably in, especially if one is Michigan at home and Ohio State on the road. Now, you have two big turds left on the schedule in Minnesota and Cockeye, both at home, that you just can't lose.

That’s why I feel like they have to win out.

Beat Michigan and Ohio State and that’s great, but drop one or two your shouldn’t, and have a first round exit in the conference tournament and it’s NIT.

I may have some PTSD from the last 30 years, but I don’t have the same confidence in this team this year that I did last.

 

[Lionsfan93]

Tominaga shot 37% last year and had considerably more attempts from 3. That’s the issue. Essegian misses one attempt and hides out. Can’t be a shooter and not let it go. Keisei would probably have 300+ 3pt attempts on this team. Essegian should be shooting closer to 8-10 times a game.

Just stop.

I posted KT was 37.6% last season.

Essegian 5.8 attempts/game
Tominaga 6.3 attempts/game (last season)

Misses one & hides? He missed his first 2 against NW then hit 2 of the next 3.

@Southendzonehusker will you at least own up to being completely wrong about this one? Your narrative a whole is pretty poor, but these are stats/facts that fly right in the face of what you are arguing.

To me, it sounds like you have connections to some of the local/Omaha kids that have ended up elsewhere and are choosing "their side", which means you need to be anti-Fred. I feel like your argument would be much more understood if you just said that you are biased and are not a fan of Hoiberg, rather than throwing out blatantly wrong arguments...

 

[DrinkItIn]

That’s why I feel like they have to win out.

Beat Michigan and Ohio State and that’s great, but drop one or two your shouldn’t, and have a first round exit in the conference tournament and it’s NIT.

I may have some PTSD from the last 30 years, but I don’t have the same confidence in this team this year that I did last.

They absolutely don’t need to win out. Two more wins—no matter how they come—will lock NU into the tournament. Their resume is already strong, boasting a 6-7 record in Quad 1 games (including three road wins) and a 3-1 mark in Quad 2. With Minnesota as the only remaining Quad 3 opponent, the rest of their schedule consists of Quad 1 and Quad 2 matchups. If NU picks up two more wins, they’re in.

 

[iruletheskool]

If this is really your opinion, I don’t know what’s the point of watching games.

Doesn't know ball

 

[iruletheskool]

They absolutely don’t need to win out. Two more wins—no matter how they come—will lock NU into the tournament. Their resume is already strong, boasting a 6-7 record in Quad 1 games (including three road wins) and a 3-1 mark in Quad 2. With Minnesota as the only remaining Quad 3 opponent, the rest of their schedule consists of Quad 1 and Quad 2 matchups. If NU picks up two more wins, they’re in.

Might even be ok at 1 more

 

[Cornicator]

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On making the tournament this year, I’m not sure we make it this year without winning out, or going deep in the conference tourney, or a little of both

So you're basing your logic on an incorrect assumption. Nebraska isn't even "ON the bubble right now." They're in according to every prognosticator. Hell, they could probably finish the regular season at 2-3, (as long as they avoid the loss to Minnesota) and they will be in regardless of what happens in the Big Ten tourney.

I actually think Nebraska is going to finish 21-10 and 11-9 in the league and go into the Big Ten Tourney as the #7 seed.

 

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Might even be ok at 1 more

That would absolutely shock me, but I’d be OK with being shocked.

 

[MtnHusker]

Mast, Berke, Sam and Essegian back. Hopefully one of the redshirts (Frager and Janowski) can play off the bench. Will need to get some scorers from the portal

Griffiths too. Was a highly sought after Top 50 recruit out of high school. Great athlete that hopefully can play up to his talent level sooner than later

 

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So you're basing your logic on an incorrect assumption. Nebraska isn't even "ON the bubble right now." They're in according to every prognosticator. Hell, they could probably finish the regular season at 2-3, (as long as they avoid the loss to Minnesota) and they will be in regardless of what happens in the Big Ten tourney.

I actually think Nebraska is going to finish 21-10 and 11-9 in the league and go into the Big Ten Tourney as the #7 seed.

My assumption was based on a story I’d read after the loss to Maryland. They’d indicated we were a bubble team.

 

[iruletheskool]

That would absolutely shock me, but I’d be OK with being shocked.

I mean id rather not loose 4 of our last 5