Future of the Offense

[slattimer]

Ideally, Id want OSU's offense with JT Barrett. A run offense with a dual threat QB who can throw some.

This...love OSU's offense

 

[Lionsfan93]

This...love OSU's offense

But that clearly is not what we are recruiting for in the future. Neither Kaelin or Manske (I believe our 2025 #1 target) fit that mold. I really think that we are looking for more of a manager, who can make the necessary throws but will take care of the ball. I envision a power run game with a controlled passing game.

 

[...TrueColors...]

But that clearly is not what we are recruiting for in the future. Neither Kaelin or Manske (I believe our 2025 #1 target) fit that mold. I really think that we are looking for more of a manager, who can make the necessary throws but will take care of the ball. I envision a power run game with a controlled passing game.

Why did we spend top ten money on an offensive coordinator if we’re just wanting to be “okay” on offense?

 

[Jim14510]

Why did we spend top ten money on an offensive coordinator if we’re just wanting to be “okay” on offense?

Game manager is probably a bad description. You can have a QB that's not a true dual threat, more focus on the running game and still be a good offense.

 

[God is a Husker]

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

3 games seems a little early to make sweeping conclusions about the offense, but it's also pretty clear that we're playing extremely conservatively and there are some talent deficiencies compared with what we would like to do. Pretty clear we're going to RDTB and that's about it.

 

[Lionsfan93]

Why did we spend top ten money on an offensive coordinator if we’re just wanting to be “okay” on offense?

I don't think I said that we are wanting an okay offense. I'm not saying that we will be Michigan by any means, but a power offense with a manager at QB is what they have.

I think we want to dictate and control the pace of play on offense. That's why I say "controlled passing game." That doesn't mean that we won't have the home run plays or threats, but I think we want to hang our hat on methodically beating the shit out of teams.

 

[Gman1228]

Why did we spend top ten money on an offensive coordinator if we’re just wanting to be “okay” on offense?

That’s a great question! It’s why I’ve had 0 patience because I have 0 clue what we are trying to accomplish on offense and that’s very concerning. Especially when you contrast that with the quick transformation of the defense. We can’t get any of our 7 young WR’s on the field? We trot out the same maligned oline as the last 1-2 years? We recruit a portal QB and tout him to be an NFL guy and to no ones surprise he’s the same turnover machine he’s always been.

Lots of long-term concerns on offense and all of those things are going to make recruiting that side of the ball more difficult too. I really hope Rhule gets that corrected ASAP as I’m all for being patient but we have to have a vision of what we are being patient for!

 

[Milo-of-Croton]

So you think potentially what Tom Herman did at Ohio St and Houston but a bit more power scheme?

Interesting, but when Urban Meyer was doing color years ago he was talking glowingly about Osborne saying when he decided to go to a power spread, he studied Osborne and came to see him. Osborne was slowly moving toward that with his shotgun sets with one back.

Frost had elements in there, but also fun and gun, pistol, bubble screen game…it was watered down. I still think Frost was a good offensive mind but he did a little of everything and not a lot of anything. No identity. Mishmash of philosophies.

I think Rhule wants to be a power football team running read option. Satterfield said that NIU made adjustments and that took away the read option. You need counters, short passes, and and adjusted blocking schemes. You don’t just throw up your hands and say “Oh well…”

I know some really like Satterfield, but I am not a fan right now. I could be wrong about him and not giving him enough credit, but I don’t believe this is really what he wants to do offensively. I think Rhule has to remind him to run the ball.

Edited to add that others are correct that based on the QB’s we are recruiting like Kaelin and Manske…the option probably is not in the picture. But they can both throw…so the read option may morph to hand-off or pass.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Interesting, but when Urban Meyer was doing color years ago he was talking glowingly about Osborne saying when he decided to go to a power spread, he studied Osborne and came to see him. Osborne was slowly moving toward that with his shotgun sets with one back.

Frost had elements in there, but also fun and gun, pistol, bubble screen game…it was watered down. I still think Frost was a good offensive mind but he did a little of everything and not a lot of anything. No identity. Mishmash of philosophies.

I think Rhule wants to be a power football team running read option. Satterfield said that NIU made adjustments and that took away the read option. You need counters, short passes, and and adjusted blocking schemes. You don’t just throw up your hands and say “Oh well…”

I know some really like Satterfield, but I am not a fan right now. I could be wrong about him and not giving him enough credit, but I don’t believe this is really what he wants to do offensively. I think Rhule has to remind him to run the ball.

I don't think anyone really likes Satterfield. I think lots of people are in wait and see mode knowing that the offensive talent isn't where it needs to be at the moment. There are certainly reasons to be concerned about his ability to be good enough at the level they aspire reach. Imo

 

[Blakejc]

Satterfield is gonna look good if he has talent. Shawn Watson looked good when he had talent. Tim Beck looked good, then looked like shit, because he once had talent, but then lost it. Scott Frost offense looked great when he had talent (I still maintain he’d be an incredible OC).

 

[Jim14510]

Satterfield is gonna look good if he has talent. Shawn Watson looked good when he had talent. Tim Beck looked good, then looked like shit, because he once had talent, but then lost it. Scott Frost offense looked great when he had talent (I still maintain he’d be an incredible OC).

Seems to be a correlation.

 

[Skerz4Life50]

So three games into the Matt Rhule era, we’ve seen what the offense is probably going to look like this year. I think we all can agree that this isn’t how the offense is suppose to look. But here we are.

My question is where do you think Rhule goes with it? Based on the type of QB we are recruiting does it give you any ideas?

All I know is that in three years we can’t be having this conversation about what our offense is suppose to look like or what we want our identity to be.

Rhule has done, in my opinion, an extremely good job with this program since he got it. But this is the area that certainly needs the most attention.

In my uneducated opinion, I think the goal is to have something similar to what he had at Baylor, but with more power/pro-style elements to ‘adjust to the Big Ten’ (more duo blocking, and 12 and 22 personnel, fullbacks, and huddling - latter two may just be to temporarily appease the fan base). I still think there will be a lot of spread elements similar to the Baylor offense with the QB run game included.

Rhule has said the QB run game will always be part of his offense, and that has been true. PJ Walker averaged about 7 carries per game over his 4 years at Temple, but was closer to 10 in his earlier years. From what I can find, he had a 4.75 40 time.

Charlie Brewer averaged right at 10 carries per game at Baylor while Rhule was coach. And, he had a 4.9 40 time, but had a much better completion percentage as a passer.

For comparison, I haven’t been able to really find 40 times on either Kaelin or Manske, but last year Kaelin ran the ball 38 times in 11 games. He has already matched that number this year thru only 5 games. I’m assuming that has to do with his OL, but it still shows he is able to run, if needed. Last year, Manske had the most rushing attempts on his team (132), and second most total yards (407). So, it seems both kind of fit the Charlie Brewer mold. It also kinda seems like the goal is to have a pass-first QB, but with the ability to run to hold the defense accountable.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I don't think I said that we are wanting an okay offense. I'm not saying that we will be Michigan by any means, but a power offense with a manager at QB is what they have.

I think we want to dictate and control the pace of play on offense. That's why I say "controlled passing game." That doesn't mean that we won't have the home run plays or threats, but I think we want to hang our hat on methodically beating the shit out of teams.

My apologies as I didn’t mean to come off harsh.

Offense is suppose to be fun and I’m sorry, but it’s the easy part of college football.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Interesting, but when Urban Meyer was doing color years ago he was talking glowingly about Osborne saying when he decided to go to a power spread, he studied Osborne and came to see him. Osborne was slowly moving toward that with his shotgun sets with one back.

Frost had elements in there, but also fun and gun, pistol, bubble screen game…it was watered down. I still think Frost was a good offensive mind but he did a little of everything and not a lot of anything. No identity. Mishmash of philosophies.

I think Rhule wants to be a power football team running read option. Satterfield said that NIU made adjustments and that took away the read option. You need counters, short passes, and and adjusted blocking schemes. You don’t just throw up your hands and say “Oh well…”

I know some really like Satterfield, but I am not a fan right now. I could be wrong about him and not giving him enough credit, but I don’t believe this is really what he wants to do offensively. I think Rhule has to remind him to run the ball.

Edited to add that others are correct that based on the QB’s we are recruiting like Kaelin and Manske…the option probably is not in the picture. But they can both throw…so the read option may morph to hand-off or pass.

The shovel pass to the TE on your option play from the shotgun that Meyer ran a ton is straight from Osborne’s playbook.