Future of the Offense

[slattimer]

I officially have no idea what Rhule or Satterfield wants. Which I think is bad. I don’t want to look like MSU did when Cook left and they could play defense but their offense was absolute horse shit.

I don't either....The only consistent thing I've seen so far is Duo and Q Draw.

Game 1: Lots of QB Read game
Game 2: Almost no QB Read game
Game 3: Opened up with a ton of QB Read game...then it went absent for about 2-3 drives, then it was back.

I hate this mindset that you have to "BE" this at Nebraska. It's 100% horseshit. Just have an identity. I don't know what that is offensively so far.
I'd love to be spread to run team. With enough reliefs, screens, and PAPs to be dangerous and a couple of dropback concepts when you need it....

Also, I give zero shits about the huddle...and Satts obsession with it...get lined up and go.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I don't either....The only consistent thing I've seen so far is Duo and Q Draw.

Game 1: Lots of QB Read game
Game 2: Almost no QB Read game
Game 3: Opened up with a ton of QB Read game...then it went absent for about 2-3 drives, then it was back.

I hate this mindset that you have to "BE" this at Nebraska. It's 100% horseshit. Just have an identity. I don't know what that is offensively so far.
I'd love to be spread to run team. With enough reliefs, screens, and PAPs to be dangerous and a couple of dropback concepts when you need it....

Also, I give zero shits about the huddle...and Satts obsession with it...get lined up and go.

I’ve long been done with the notion that there are imaginary lines drawn around Nebraska and when they’re crossed very good offensive schemes become bad ones and they won’t work in Nebraska. Or that certain schemes don’t work in certain weather. We all watched Mike Leach run his system in Washington in the wind, rain, and snow for years without any real elite talent.

I’d be patient if I thought a lot of issues on offense were talent-related. But I’m not looking at these first three games and saying that our lack of talent was what cost us.

Satterfield has been an OC for a long time and the only thing I really know about what he does is finish in about the 70s from a total offense standpoint.

 

[Blakejc]

Conceptually I have no clue what I’m talking about therefore no clue what I want, so I always fall back on desired output. I'd be happy with an offense that

averages 31+ ppg
1 giveaway/game
200+ rush ypg
5.25 pts/rz att and
44% 3rd down conversions

Whoever can design an offense that does that has my vote.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Conceptually I have no clue what I’m talking about therefore no clue what I want, so I always fall back on desired output. I'd be happy with an offense that

averages 31+ ppg
1 giveaway/game
200+ rush ypg
5.25 pts/rz att and
44% 3rd down conversions

Whoever can design an offense that does that has my vote.

Basically 2010.

PPG 30.9
5.47 yds per rush & 247 yds per game
3rd down 41.15%
5.19 pts/RZ attempt

If we did that and continue on our trajectory as a defense/special teams you are talking about a CFP caliber team when it expands to 12.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Basically 2010.

PPG 30.9
5.47 yds per rush & 247 yds per game
3rd down 41.15%
5.19 pts/RZ attempt

If we did that and continue on our trajectory as a defense/special teams you are talking about a CFP caliber team when it expands to 12.

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Why when I quote it does it show Shawn Watson ?

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Why when I quote it does it show Shawn Watson ?

I thought Beck was the OC, but

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Basically 2010.

PPG 30.9
5.47 yds per rush & 247 yds per game
3rd down 41.15%
5.19 pts/RZ attempt

If we did that and continue on our trajectory as a defense/special teams you are talking about a CFP caliber team when it expands to 12.

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Are our special teams any good? Return game seems pretty mid and when you combine that with "we don't fair catch kickoffs" and pretty average punting they leave a lot of yards on the field

 

[slattimer]

I personally like offenses that are similar to what Coastal did with Chadwell, what KU does with Leipold. Hell, even Tim Beck's offense with TM when they ran a lot of inverted veer was good stuff.

It's a mix of spread principles with old school option attack. A lot of variety in formations, overloads, motions, etc. But it's a lot of option football with QB read game, some RPOs, a little quick game, vertical play action game, and a few solid drop back concepts.

Chadwell has flexbone/wing-t roots. They've been running good stuff like mid triple with their tackles arcing, running belly down, good old fashioned smash mouth football...just from a spread perspective and gets less dudes in the box.

It stresses all areas of the field, and allows your OL to play vs less box players....ultimately....that's what we need IMO.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I personally like offenses that are similar to what Coastal did with Chadwell, what KU does with Leipold. Hell, even Tim Beck's offense with TM when they ran a lot of inverted veer was good stuff.

It's a mix of spread principles with old school option attack. A lot of variety in formations, overloads, motions, etc. But it's a lot of option football with QB read game, some RPOs, a little quick game, vertical play action game, and a few solid drop back concepts.

Chadwell has flexbone/wing-t roots. They've been running good stuff like mid triple with their tackles arcing, running belly down, good old fashioned smash mouth football...just from a spread perspective and gets less dudes in the box.

It stresses all areas of the field, and allows your OL to play vs less box players....ultimately....that's what we need IMO.

Yeah I'm generally a fan of spreading teams out to run it right at a box with fewer players in it.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I personally like offenses that are similar to what Coastal did with Chadwell, what KU does with Leipold. Hell, even Tim Beck's offense with TM when they ran a lot of inverted veer was good stuff.

It's a mix of spread principles with old school option attack. A lot of variety in formations, overloads, motions, etc. But it's a lot of option football with QB read game, some RPOs, a little quick game, vertical play action game, and a few solid drop back concepts.

Chadwell has flexbone/wing-t roots. They've been running good stuff like mid triple with their tackles arcing, running belly down, good old fashioned smash mouth football...just from a spread perspective and gets less dudes in the box.

It stresses all areas of the field, and allows your OL to play vs less box players....ultimately....that's what we need IMO.

Yeah I'm generally a fan of spreading teams out to run it right at a box with fewer players in it.

I’ve always been of the opinion that Nebraska needs a uniqueness on offense that is scalable nationally. I don’t want something that just works in the big ten west. That’s fine if that’s where we start. But the end game here is to compete nationally. I’ve never really thought Satterfield was that guy.

Coordinators make a huge difference. Had we hired the offense version of Tony White, it would make the assistant coaches look much much better. All of a sudden people are talking about young up and comers like McGuire and Barthel.

 

[Pipe Line]

I personally like offenses that are similar to what Coastal did with Chadwell, what KU does with Leipold. Hell, even Tim Beck's offense with TM when they ran a lot of inverted veer was good stuff.

It's a mix of spread principles with old school option attack. A lot of variety in formations, overloads, motions, etc. But it's a lot of option football with QB read game, some RPOs, a little quick game, vertical play action game, and a few solid drop back concepts.

Chadwell has flexbone/wing-t roots. They've been running good stuff like mid triple with their tackles arcing, running belly down, good old fashioned smash mouth football...just from a spread perspective and gets less dudes in the box.

It stresses all areas of the field, and allows your OL to play vs less box players....ultimately....that's what we need IMO.

This is exactly what I wanted in an OC the last 2 offseason cycles. I wanted Willy Korn or Chadwell before 2022. I'm good with what we're doing now, needing to elevate talent, I don't think Satt will be here long, but I would want them to pay Chadwell enough money to make it worth it to be an OC here this offseason, if I had my choice. Pre-2023 Jeff Monken was my other choice. Lance was my other top preference as well last offseason before Rhule.

 

[Eloot224]

Rhule better embarrass the Portal until he gets some young talent development and serviceable depth.
Need a QB and multiple WR from Portal, I’d even take a Portal RB.

As for Special Teams. Busch should have been the one Coach Rhule kept from the past Staff. Not just for ST but, also his recruiting prowess.

 

[Carm]

I don't think we'll see much portal activity, even though it will increase the chances of winning near-term. The culture he is trying to build relied on guys learning how things are done, buying in, and working their asses off to get on the field. You can take a couple of strategic transfers that put you over the top as a quality team and not affect that (difference makers positions of great & obvious need) but if you try to bring in experienced transfers that keep the bought-in kids on the bench in significant numbers when they could be developing on the field the culture build is likely to fail. He was able to bring transfers in before his first spring practices because it was everybody's first chance.

I just don't think he'll do it. He's made it pretty clear that even though they want to win each game they play in, he is not sacrificing the culture build to get a few wins sooner.

I think there are good arguments for both approaches, but his approach is the one that comes with the hire.

Could be we see a handful of inexperienced transfer like Knaack who have to work to get on the field instead of being brought in a de facto rotation players.

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

I’ve always been of the opinion that Nebraska needs a uniqueness on offense that is scalable nationally.

This is my philosophy in a nutshell. The second half that I add is that the uniqueness should also fit the character & climate of the state - where you can use a good number of homegrown kids, doing things that work in a Nebraska November when everyone's nuts are freezing off. Doesn't even have to be the best offensive system of all time, just something good where you can beat other teams by obsessive execution of something you're well-rostered for, that other teams don't necessarily see every week.

That's where power football concepts fits us a lot better than some of the finesse systems that might have some more technical opportunities on a chalkboard.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Are our special teams any good? Return game seems pretty mid and when you combine that with "we don't fair catch kickoffs" and pretty average punting they leave a lot of yards on the field

I look at them as....

• Buschini I think he is a Sunday talent. I think he had a few meh ones vs Colorado, but despite that he is currently 3rd in avg punt in the conference that gets their rocks hard for punting. Outside of Colorado, he is averaging 44.5 yards per punt. That would have been good for 17th nationally last year. I think Colorado was an outlier and I question how healthy he was as Gary Sharpe was mentioning that.
• Tristan is a very good kicker and is a Sunday talent. Just a freshmen.
• We are currently 35th in average kickoff return (I will take that). If we beat Minnesota you probably point to that kick return as the play of the game.
• Punt return really hasn't done anything. They have been close a couple times to getting a block, but that is about it.
• Kickoff has been really good. I think most of our kicks are well placed and covered. Currently averaging 15.5 yds per kickoff return allowed. That is a top 10 number.

Also, I am more focused on trajectory of the unit in my comment. We were rock bottom in 2021. 2022 was starting to get better. This year I think we are trending in the right way.

 

[Blakejc]

I don't think we'll see much portal activity, even though it will increase the chances of winning near-term. The culture he is trying to build relied on guys learning how things are done, buying in, and working their asses off to get on the field. You can take a couple of strategic transfers that put you over the top as a quality team and not affect that (difference makers positions of great & obvious need) but if you try to bring in experienced transfers that keep the bought-in kids on the bench in significant numbers when they could be developing on the field the culture build is likely to fail. He was able to bring transfers in before his first spring practices because it was everybody's first chance.

I just don't think he'll do it. He's made it pretty clear that even though they want to win each game they play in, he is not sacrificing the culture build to get a few wins sooner.

I think there are good arguments for both approaches, but his approach is the one that comes with the hire.

Could be we see a handful of inexperienced transfer like Knaack who have to work to get on the field instead of being brought in a de facto rotation players.

I hope we don’t see a ton of portal activity because they seem to suck at it.

There are several cases of poor evaluation at key spots they were banking on productivity. Sims is exactly who he’s always been. Kemp doesn’t look like a dude who’s caught 150 balls or fielded 100 punts. Gilbert was way too risky in hindsight. Sherman got beat out by a younger transfer and then they both got beaten out by a young roster player that was written off last year. Scott and Jeudy have been our best transfers so far, is that fair to say?

Furthermore, our NIL clearly isn’t capable of participating in the highest bidding wars while also supporting/creating opportunities for the rest of the roster. I’d rather focus NIL efforts on recruits and dudes already on campus rather than blowing our load on a bunch of transfers who may or may not pan out. Find 2-3 can’t miss dudes and actually be competitive with an NIL offer.

 

[Lionsfan93]

“Power based spread option” sounds like a term Rhule made up to satisfy literally every fan that hears him.

I officially have no idea what Rhule or Satterfield wants. Which I think is bad. I don’t want to look like MSU did when Cook left and they could play defense but their offense was absolute horse shit.

I think you are right with your "Power Spread" idea. We know Rhule wants to run the ball and be physical. I also think that the TE and HB will have a decent role - that's the "power" in my ignorant opinion. I know that Satterfield talked about getting under center, but I think we have seen the majority of our snaps from the shotgun. And I think we see the TE lined up out in the slot a decent amount too. Again, this may be ignorant, but that's the "spread" IMO.

Now @slattimer can inform me on why what I'm saying is completely conceptional inaccurate lol.

 

[CybrrMonky71]

If you have t figured it out yet
Nebraska’s offense this yr makes a Brian Ferenez offense look like Mike Leachs.
The QBs they are recruiting aren’t going to be stressing a defense with their legs
We are going to look like Cockeye or Wisconsin (historic) offenses
They probably would have more success offensively this yr if they just lined up in the I & committed to it

 

[Kaladin]

in 2019 Charlie Brewer was Baylor's QB and he led the team in rushing attempts, and I don't think he was a typical running QB. More of a passer who could run if need be. Reminds me of Kaelin.

Maybe Rhule's plan is to run a typical spread offense but have a bunch of power I packages

 

[whoboppin]

Nebraska should always be a dominant running team with a dual threat QB IMO. It fits the DNA and our recruiting limitations. Ideally, Id want OSU's offense with JT Barrett. A run offense with a dual threat QB who can throw some. The great season would be like 3000 yards passing 1000 yards rushing. Get a great running back to limit QB run game hits.

Honestly, I was fine with Bo's offenses under Beck for the most part. Bo's defense just had such glaring flaws. Like do any other good defensive minds give up like 500 rushing yards regularly?