Fixable vs. Non-Fixable

[Adolph Coors]

I know this will get torn apart by a few of you miserable assholes and I’m okay with that. I also know that TPB has perhaps the highest percentage of rational thinking, non douche bags of any Husker message board. That’s what makes TPB the greatest Husker fan outlet around and that’s why I’m going to post it anyways. Warning: it’s pretty long.

I’m pissed about these losses and I’m even more pissed about how we have been losing. It sucks. I got good and drunk enjoying the game last night and then stared at the TV in dismay when that final sequence of events happened.

As I sat there asking why I put myself through this shit year after year, I began thinking what a lot of you have been saying: Maybe we need to burn it down and start over.

That lead me to thinking about the last time we burned it down and start over. The year was 2017. We squeaked out a win over a terrible Arkansas State team, lost to an Oregon team that turned out to be terrible, and lost to MAC Northern Illinois. And most unforgettable, at the end of the season, we got boat raced by an average Cockeyes team and a terrible Minnesota team. Everyone knew what had to happen after that season. Riley had to be fired because what we had was without a doubt, unfixable. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and it was obvious however you look at it.

Fast forward to this season.

We are 2-3 with a team that could/should be 4-1 or even 5-0. (Should have beat Illinois because we are vastly more talented and could have beat ranked OU and MSU if we hadn’t shot ourselves in the foot.

2/3 of our losses have been nail biters against ranked teams on the road.

For me, it comes down to this: the difference between what we have endured this season and what we endured in 2017 is that the games have been FUN to watch and we have proven thus far that we belong on the field with any team. The issues that have plagued this team are FIXABLE.

-Our punter returner making a stupid mistake to give up a safety is fixable.

-Giving up a scoop and score before halftime is fixable.

-Our punter kicking it to the wrong side of the field is fixable.

Frustrating. But fixable nonetheless.

That’s a far cry from Riley getting boat raced by terrible teams. Losing by 33 to a bad Minnesota team is not fixable. Losing to an average Cockeyes by 42 is not fixable.

Losing sucks but if you are ready to tear it down and start over when we are unequivocally “close” to being a good team you are delusional. And I get that we have had the same issues for 4 years. But everything else besides those issues has vastly improved over the last 4 years. It’s taking too long to fix and Frost is largely to blame for that, but again, we are close to being a good team no matter how you slice it. You couldn’t say that in 2017, but you can now. If we get blown out multiple times to end the season and finish 3-9, I’ll be on board to fire Frost, but as it stands right now, it’s fixable and we are close. You simply do not fire a coach when the team is close and the issues are fixable.

Let’s say we do fire him though.

Nebraska IS NOT an attractive job right now. Nobody proven will want to come here. I’m sorry to break it to many of you but Matt Campbell is not “proven” and even he probably wouldn’t want to come here.

The odds of us hiring a coach who has us competing for B1G titles in 4 years if we fire Frost is exceedingly low.

The odds of Frost competing for B1G titles in 4 years is up for debate, but I don’t think any rational thinker can say that they are worse than any realistic alternative.

And to be clear, I am not happy about our losses and they way we lose. Frost has made a lot of mistakes. He is to blame for many of our losses and many of our shortcomings. I’m not saying he will for sure turn it around. I’m saying that even after the shit show that we’ve seen the last 4 years, I believe there is a better chance of him turning it around than any realistic hire if we fire him.

Just for shits, here is what I think needs to happen this off-season:

1. Verdu out.
2. Frost coaches QB’s.
3. Austin out and replaced.
4. Full time ST coordinator to fill Verdu’s open spot.

As it stands right now, I would anticipate us being in nearly every remaining game in the 4th quarter. I don’t think you’ll see many Vegas point spreads of +10 or more if we continue on this trajectory. I’m personally choosing to remain hopeful that we find some ways to win a few of those games because… the fixable can be fixed.

Love you guys.

you get it

 

[Blackshirts_Win_'ships]

The issues are fixable. That’s precisely the problem. They haven’t been fixed and continue to get more and more mind-boggling.

You’re being pissed on just like the rest of us, OP. It ain’t raining. Stop believing it is.

 

[HuskerHomie]

Asked and answered Jimbo. Name another

Lots of Head coaches help out with position groups, it's just not necessarily listed with a slash /WR coach etc next to the HEAD coach title, and they dont push that agenda to be labled as such... yet they do help out nonetheless.

Ol Ball coach helped w the qbs at FLA and South Car while he coached..even though I don't believe he was listed as the HC/QB coach.

Cristobal absolutely helps coach his Oregon O line even though he's not listed as a co-online coach.

I can remember Bo, not too many yrs ago decided to help out special teams when we were abysmal, and it helped..yet he never added a /special teams next to his Head Coach title.

Didn't ol Urban pretty much help coach QBs while at FL and Tosu? This was pretty well known...

HC's helping w position groups happens everywhere in major D1 football, we just don't hear about it more cuz HCs want their assistants to get the credit/glory as it pads their asst coaches resumes, and also adds to their egos as coaches who make good asst coaching hires...

Hell didn't M Riley help coach the qbs during his brief tenure at NU?

My point is, it is actually more common than u think that HCs help out w position groups at the big boy level, even if it's not listed on the program or website as such and not talked about more...

 

[Minute Man]

I know this will get torn apart by a few of you miserable assholes and I’m okay with that. I also know that TPB has perhaps the highest percentage of rational thinking, non douche bags of any Husker message board. That’s what makes TPB the greatest Husker fan outlet around and that’s why I’m going to post it anyways. Warning: it’s pretty long.

I’m pissed about these losses and I’m even more pissed about how we have been losing. It sucks. I got good and drunk enjoying the game last night and then stared at the TV in dismay when that final sequence of events happened.

As I sat there asking why I put myself through this shit year after year, I began thinking what a lot of you have been saying: Maybe we need to burn it down and start over.

That lead me to thinking about the last time we burned it down and start over. The year was 2017. We squeaked out a win over a terrible Arkansas State team, lost to an Oregon team that turned out to be terrible, and lost to MAC Northern Illinois. And most unforgettable, at the end of the season, we got boat raced by an average Cockeyes team and a terrible Minnesota team. Everyone knew what had to happen after that season. Riley had to be fired because what we had was without a doubt, unfixable. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and it was obvious however you look at it.

Fast forward to this season.

We are 2-3 with a team that could/should be 4-1 or even 5-0. (Should have beat Illinois because we are vastly more talented and could have beat ranked OU and MSU if we hadn’t shot ourselves in the foot.

2/3 of our losses have been nail biters against ranked teams on the road.

For me, it comes down to this: the difference between what we have endured this season and what we endured in 2017 is that the games have been FUN to watch and we have proven thus far that we belong on the field with any team. The issues that have plagued this team are FIXABLE.

-Our punter returner making a stupid mistake to give up a safety is fixable.

-Giving up a scoop and score before halftime is fixable.

-Our punter kicking it to the wrong side of the field is fixable.

Frustrating. But fixable nonetheless.

That’s a far cry from Riley getting boat raced by terrible teams. Losing by 33 to a bad Minnesota team is not fixable. Losing to an average Cockeyes by 42 is not fixable.

Losing sucks but if you are ready to tear it down and start over when we are unequivocally “close” to being a good team you are delusional. And I get that we have had the same issues for 4 years. But everything else besides those issues has vastly improved over the last 4 years. It’s taking too long to fix and Frost is largely to blame for that, but again, we are close to being a good team no matter how you slice it. You couldn’t say that in 2017, but you can now. If we get blown out multiple times to end the season and finish 3-9, I’ll be on board to fire Frost, but as it stands right now, it’s fixable and we are close. You simply do not fire a coach when the team is close and the issues are fixable.

Let’s say we do fire him though.

Nebraska IS NOT an attractive job right now. Nobody proven will want to come here. I’m sorry to break it to many of you but Matt Campbell is not “proven” and even he probably wouldn’t want to come here.

The odds of us hiring a coach who has us competing for B1G titles in 4 years if we fire Frost is exceedingly low.

The odds of Frost competing for B1G titles in 4 years is up for debate, but I don’t think any rational thinker can say that they are worse than any realistic alternative.

And to be clear, I am not happy about our losses and they way we lose. Frost has made a lot of mistakes. He is to blame for many of our losses and many of our shortcomings. I’m not saying he will for sure turn it around. I’m saying that even after the shit show that we’ve seen the last 4 years, I believe there is a better chance of him turning it around than any realistic hire if we fire him.

Just for shits, here is what I think needs to happen this off-season:

1. Verdu out.
2. Frost coaches QB’s.
3. Austin out and replaced.
4. Full time ST coordinator to fill Verdu’s open spot.

As it stands right now, I would anticipate us being in nearly every remaining game in the 4th quarter. I don’t think you’ll see many Vegas point spreads of +10 or more if we continue on this trajectory. I’m personally choosing to remain hopeful that we find some ways to win a few of those games because… the fixable can be fixed.

Love you guys.

If Frost was concerned about fixing special teams he would have made the easy move and made Busch a coach and pushed Verduzco to analyst weeks ago. That was an easy way to make it look like you’re attempting to make progress on something that’s “fixable”. And if you have a special teams coach they can talk to the media about what is being done to fix the issues instead of the current feeling of kickers running laps with Farmer Fran.

Busch could also fix recruiting, but I’m sure the annual circle jerk of walk ons getting scholarships will enjoy next year’s crop of 5-10.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

Not being a Dick but what is your rationale that a new coach has a worse chance at having us competing for BIG titles in four years than Frost? I don’t think there is any proof Frost will ever get us there and if we continue to do bad on the field recruiting is going to suffer hurting Frost’s chances more.

Have you looked at recruiting lately? It is dead now. They’ve pulled the plug. It’s like the coaches know they won’t be here next year anyway.

I don’t disagree. I think Frost’s biggest mistake has been a hesitancy to use one of his assistant coach spots on a dedicated ST coach. I know he’s stubborn but I think after this season he’s going to be smart enough to swallow his pride and do it.

Swallowing his pride and admitting he was wrong is not one of HCSF’s strong points.

The job is attractive. It’s just not attractive if you ask people who want to keep Scott frost around.

@kenyanfeline posted this bullshit on the heels of a loss to 2nd year coach Mel Tucker. The same Mel tucker that beat Scott Frost year one in a rebuild at Colorado. Lol.

This isn’t complicated. It’s only complicated if you’re trying to make it complicated…

Rebuilds don’t have to take 5 years. We’ve just been so shitty over our last several coaching changes that this is what we’ve been trained to believe.

 

[Tsakoi]

IMO we should jettison Frost for a number of reasons most of which are completely understandable and that any potential replacement that we approach would not hold against us. Everyone can see and those in the profession, I am sure, understand better than we do. What we see on Saturdays is unacceptable.


BUT.......

If we don't then Turd asking Frost to replace some assistants is the bare minimum.

A: Austin is OUT
Something is just not working there. The results have been embarrassing and the rumors of him and Frost not getting along make this an easy choice.

B: Nutty Cigar Professor V is OUT
Letting him go won't open up a spot for a ST coach in my view because you are going to have to replace him with another QB coach. Top high school QBs want a dedicated coach and not having one will hurt us in recruiting. I know, I know...Frost was a QB...but as others have said I don't like putting more on his plate. So we would need to replace the current QB coach with someone a little less weird and younger if we can.

C: Ruud is OUT
His guys are playing good.......but we have him for ILBs and Dawson for OLBs. That is too many coaches. The reason Ruud is the odd man out is because from what I understand his recruiting responsibility is Nebraska and as we all know our local recruiting is dumpster fire in the middle of a river of dogshit. Something happened and the Omaha recruits don't have a good view of this staff. I have my own idea of what it is but I would never be able to confirm it. Anyway Ruud has not been able to stop it from happening in the first place, fix it after it happened or offer such superior coaching in other areas that forgive this one big sin. So bounce Ruud and let Dawson coach all the LBs then hire a dedicated ST guy.

D: Held is OUT
The RB room is a joke. I guess you could lay some blame on the Oline not being up to snuff but that doesn't explain why we have had a true freshman (or total new guys i.e. Mills/Stepp) get starting snaps for so many years in a row. First it was Maurice then Wandale and now Ervin. Why are true freshman consistently better than guys who are on campus? I realize that R Johnson has now taken over basically this year but if Ervin wasn't hurt would that be the case? Held is a good recruiter but is also a want away who I have heard puts his name up for available jobs elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with wanting to move up in the coaching world but his results don't really warrant it. So instead it looks like a guy who wants out and is giving us half effort. Maybe I'm wrong about that so someone else would have to convince me that he is actually good.

Those are my changes. Thoughts?

 

[Pipe Line]

IMO we should jettison Frost for a number of reasons most of which are completely understandable and that any potential replacement that we approach would not hold against us. Everyone can see and those in the profession, I am sure, understand better than we do. What we see on Saturdays is unacceptable.


BUT.......

If we don't then Turd asking Frost to replace some assistants is the bare minimum.

A: Austin is OUT
Something is just not working there. The results have been embarrassing and the rumors of him and Frost not getting along make this an easy choice.

B: Nutty Cigar Professor V is OUT
Letting him go won't open up a spot for a ST coach in my view because you are going to have to replace him with another QB coach. Top high school QBs want a dedicated coach and not having one will hurt us in recruiting. I know, I know...Frost was a QB...but as others have said I don't like putting more on his plate. So we would need to replace the current QB coach with someone a little less weird and younger if we can.

C: Ruud is OUT
His guys are playing good.......but we have him for ILBs and Dawson for OLBs. That is too many coaches. The reason Ruud is the odd man out is because from what I understand his recruiting responsibility is Nebraska and as we all know our local recruiting is dumpster fire in the middle of a river of dogshit. Something happened and the Omaha recruits don't have a good view of this staff. I have my own idea of what it is but I would never be able to confirm it. Anyway Ruud has not been able to stop it from happening in the first place, fix it after it happened or offer such superior coaching in other areas that forgive this one big sin. So bounce Ruud and let Dawson coach all the LBs then hire a dedicated ST guy.

D: Held is OUT
The RB room is a joke. I guess you could lay some blame on the Oline not being up to snuff but that doesn't explain why we have had a true freshman (or total new guys i.e. Mills/Stepp) get starting snaps for so many years in a row. First it was Maurice then Wandale and now Ervin. Why are true freshman consistently better than guys who are on campus? I realize that R Johnson has now taken over basically this year but if Ervin wasn't hurt would that be the case? Held is a good recruiter but is also a want away who I have heard puts his name up for available jobs elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with wanting to move up in the coaching world but his results don't really warrant it. So instead it looks like a guy who wants out and is giving us half effort. Maybe I'm wrong about that so someone else would have to convince me that he is actually good.

Those are my changes. Thoughts?

What is your idea of what happened?

 

[Jim14510]

He was actually pretty damn successful at Oregon State

He was KKKirk lite.

 

[Jim14510]

Something happened and the Omaha recruits don't have a good view of this staff.

They're 14-23. It's not anymore complicated than that.

 

[HuskerHomie]

They're 14-23. It's not anymore complicated than that.

Maybe, but where are they going instead? Are they going to comparable programs? Cuz if not, then it's prob not the 14-23 thats keeping them away...(I dont follow where the local guys go, so I have no idea where they have bene going) fwiw

 

[Jim14510]

Maybe, but where are they going instead? Are they going to comparable programs? Cuz if not, then it's prob not the 14-23 thats keeping them away...(I dont follow where the local guys go, so I have no idea where they have bene going) fwiw

Cockeye, Auburn, Oklahoma, even Arizona St has been more successful in the W/L column. That's the most recent recruits.

 

[Driveway Jordan]

Some day I’ll understand why people get so attached to a coach and care about him more than the program.

So short and sweet, and yet so beautifully-stated.

The fallacy behind the "if Frost can't get it here, no one will..." or "no on will ever come here" arguments is that we are talking about a coach who is facing 5 losing seasons out of his 6 as a HC. Any analytics person will tell you that 2017 looks more and more like a fluke. If you dig into the numbers deeper, you'll see that his UCF team in 2017 was highly penalized (discipline) and mediocre on special teams.

What I don't understand about the Frost fandom and undying loyalty to the him is what has he done in 4 years to endear himself to the fanbase so much? He makes very few public appearances...when he does, like at fan day, it's in a heavily-controlled environment. You don't see him in public. You definitely don't see him with his family in public. (His wife greets him on the field after a game 1 time in 4 years in a very weird pre-determined photo op.) He is very standoffish to the local media. Makes stupid comments in press conferences like "we guessed wrong" and massive PR gaffes like trying to get out of the OU game, which as it turns out, wasn't necessary because it turned out to be a positive for the program. And on top of everything else, we are poorly coached...5-15 in 1-score games. 0-3 with zero points scored in 3 OT games. So I ask again, what in the hell has Frost done, despite a 14-23 record, to earn the undying devotion from a certain segment of the fanbase?

 

[HuskerHomie]

Cockeyes, Auburn, Oklahoma, even Arizona St has been more successful in the W/L column. That's the most recent recruits.

OK but that's just for this 2022 class, where it has already been mentioned that it seems like the staff stopped recruiting cuz they prob know their bags will be cut after this yr
..Oregon I understand last yr cuz they are on a rising trajectory..

I think it has more to do w the staff sluffing off on recruiting this cycle k Knowing their days are likely numbered..IMHO..

 

[HuskerHomie]

So short and sweet, and yet so beautifully-stated.

The fallacy behind the "if Frost can't get it here, no one will..." or "no on will ever come here" arguments is that we are talking about a coach who is facing 5 losing seasons out of his 6 as a HC. Any analytics person will tell you that 2017 looks more and more like a fluke. If you dig into the numbers deeper, you'll see that his UCF team in 2017 was highly penalized (discipline) and mediocre on special teams.

What I don't understand about the Frost fandom and undying loyalty to the him is what has he done in 4 years to endear himself to the fanbase so much? He makes very few public appearances...when he does, like at fan day, it's in a heavily-controlled environment. You don't see him in public. You definitely don't see him with his family in public. (His wife greets him on the field after a game 1 time in 4 years in a very weird pre-determined photo op.) He is very standoffish to the local media. Makes stupid comments in press conferences like "we guessed wrong" and massive PR gaffes like trying to get out of the OU game, which as it turns out, wasn't necessary because it turned out to be a positive for the program. And on top of everything else, we are poorly coached...5-15 in 1-score games. 0-3 with zero points scored in 3 OT games. So I ask again, what in the hell has Frost done, despite a 14-23 record, to earn the undying devotion from a certain segment of the fanbase?

Yep, the highly undisciplined and lots of penalties was something I was concerned with added to the lack of experience on the staff he was bringing over...I was sounding the alarm bells early on.

Pretty much got me booted from the other site and everyone was giving me sh%t saying I was crazy.

They simply out talented the rest of the teams in the AAC by a wide margin, so the warts were harder to see unless u dug Into the numbers and really watched the games closely...

 

[Pipe Line]

So short and sweet, and yet so beautifully-stated.

The fallacy behind the "if Frost can't get it here, no one will..." or "no on will ever come here" arguments is that we are talking about a coach who is facing 5 losing seasons out of his 6 as a HC. Any analytics person will tell you that 2017 looks more and more like a fluke. If you dig into the numbers deeper, you'll see that his UCF team in 2017 was highly penalized (discipline) and mediocre on special teams.

What I don't understand about the Frost fandom and undying loyalty to the him is what has he done in 4 years to endear himself to the fanbase so much? He makes very few public appearances...when he does, like at fan day, it's in a heavily-controlled environment. You don't see him in public. You definitely don't see him with his family in public. (His wife greets him on the field after a game 1 time in 4 years in a very weird pre-determined photo op.) He is very standoffish to the local media. Makes stupid comments in press conferences like "we guessed wrong" and massive PR gaffes like trying to get out of the OU game, which as it turns out, wasn't necessary because it turned out to be a positive for the program. And on top of everything else, we are poorly coached...5-15 in 1-score games. 0-3 with zero points scored in 3 OT games. So I ask again, what in the hell has Frost done, despite a 14-23 record, to earn the undying devotion from a certain segment of the fanbase?

He's the last one to win a natty and be connected to TO in coaching. For me, brutally honest, that's all it is at this point. I suppose it's a name connected to the glory years that I missed.

 

[Pipe Line]

They're 14-23. It's not anymore complicated than that.

Assuming we're talking about the recent guys, rumor was on the Central OLine that he didn't want to be the only black player on the OL. And the LB from Burke just doesn't like Nebraska at all. Isn't from here according to Sean. TE from Bell West is because of Fidone.

 

[Jim14510]

OK but that's just for this 2022 class, where it has already been mentioned that it seems like the staff stopped recruiting cuz they prob know their bags will be cut after this yr
..Oregon I understand last yr cuz they are on a rising trajectory..

I think it has more to do w the staff sluffing off on recruiting this cycle k Knowing their days are likely numbered..IMHO..

The conversation was about Omaha recruits.

2019 - Henrich, Hickman N
2020 - Betts N, Watts Notre Dame
2021 - Teddy, Bretz, Rollins N, Johnson Cockeye, Dickerson Oregon
2022 - Riley-Ducker Auburn, Woods Missouri (the one outlier), Jackson Not committed Arizona St/Miami, Helms Oklahoma

 

[Jim14510]

And the LB from Burke just doesn't like Nebraska at all. Isn't from here according to Sean.

Moved to Nebraska pretty young but dad played for Illinois. I met his dad when he was in like 5th/6th grade. Think they had moved to Omaha within the last couple years.

TE from Bell West is because of Fidone.

That may have been part of it but they're going to Auburn/Oklahoma. Doubt competition is the #1 factor.

 

[Alcaus]

IMO we should jettison Frost for a number of reasons most of which are completely understandable and that any potential replacement that we approach would not hold against us. Everyone can see and those in the profession, I am sure, understand better than we do. What we see on Saturdays is unacceptable.


BUT.......

If we don't then Turd asking Frost to replace some assistants is the bare minimum.

A: Austin is OUT
Something is just not working there. The results have been embarrassing and the rumors of him and Frost not getting along make this an easy choice.

B: Nutty Cigar Professor V is OUT
Letting him go won't open up a spot for a ST coach in my view because you are going to have to replace him with another QB coach. Top high school QBs want a dedicated coach and not having one will hurt us in recruiting. I know, I know...Frost was a QB...but as others have said I don't like putting more on his plate. So we would need to replace the current QB coach with someone a little less weird and younger if we can.

C: Ruud is OUT
His guys are playing good.......but we have him for ILBs and Dawson for OLBs. That is too many coaches. The reason Ruud is the odd man out is because from what I understand his recruiting responsibility is Nebraska and as we all know our local recruiting is dumpster fire in the middle of a river of dogshit. Something happened and the Omaha recruits don't have a good view of this staff. I have my own idea of what it is but I would never be able to confirm it. Anyway Ruud has not been able to stop it from happening in the first place, fix it after it happened or offer such superior coaching in other areas that forgive this one big sin. So bounce Ruud and let Dawson coach all the LBs then hire a dedicated ST guy.

D: Held is OUT
The RB room is a joke. I guess you could lay some blame on the Oline not being up to snuff but that doesn't explain why we have had a true freshman (or total new guys i.e. Mills/Stepp) get starting snaps for so many years in a row. First it was Maurice then Wandale and now Ervin. Why are true freshman consistently better than guys who are on campus? I realize that R Johnson has now taken over basically this year but if Ervin wasn't hurt would that be the case? Held is a good recruiter but is also a want away who I have heard puts his name up for available jobs elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with wanting to move up in the coaching world but his results don't really warrant it. So instead it looks like a guy who wants out and is giving us half effort. Maybe I'm wrong about that so someone else would have to convince me that he is actually good.

Those are my changes. Thoughts?

Who would you replace Ruud with? I think our record has more to do with local recruiting than anything. Maybe they need to adjust his recruiting responsibilities if he's not connecting well with local programs, but our ILB development seems to be well above average at this point.

I wouldn't want to adjust that defensive staff at all, honestly.

 

[DrinkItIn]

Frost is just not a good coach at this level of football. Like others have mentioned, he was good against G5 schools b/c his UCF Teams could just out-athlete the competition. He is 11-24 against the P5 competition. His wins against P5 teams are not against what I could call great teams either.

	Wins	Losses
2016​		Michigan (10-3)
		Maryland (6-7)
2017​	Maryland (4-8)
	Auburn (10-4)
2018​	Minnesota (7-6)	Colorado (5-7)
	Illinois (4-8)	Michigan (10-3)
	Michigan St (7-6)	Purdoodoo (6-7)
		WiscyDicks (8-5)
		Northwestern (9-5)
		Ohio St (13-1)
		Cockeye (9-4)
2019​	Illinois (6-7)	Colorado (5-7)
	Northwestern (3-9)	Ohio State (13-1)
	Maryland (3-9)	Minnesota (11-2)
		Indianus (8-5)
		Purdoodoo (4-8)
		WiscyDicks (10-4)
		Cockeye (10-3)
2020​	Gaetz State (4-5)	Ohio State (7-1)
	Purdoodoo (2-4)	Northwestern (7-2)
	Buttgers (3-6)	Illinois (2-6)
		Cockeye (6-2)
		Minnesota (3-4)
2021​		Illinois (1-3)
		Oklahoma (4-0)
		Michigan State. (4-0)
Overall P5 record	11​	24​
opponents overall W/L record	53 - 72	171 - 90