Fixable vs. Non-Fixable

[Red Finger]

This is from a Sipple article yesterday:

By the way, this week essentially marks the halfway point -- 3 1/2 seasons -- of Frost's original seven-year contract. Remember, many if not most Nebraska fans signed off on the notion of a seven-year building project, mindful of the colossal mess Frost inherited. He now stands 14-23 overall and 9-19 in Big Ten play. His current team is 2-3 (0-2 Big Ten). This isn't exactly what Frost expected at the 3 1/2-season mark.

Literally exactly what I'm talking about with the media. Lol. I wonder if Scott Frost's name was Mike Riley if it'd be the same narrative 🤔

 

[Jim14510]

This is from a Sipple article yesterday:

By the way, this week essentially marks the halfway point -- 3 1/2 seasons -- of Frost's original seven-year contract. Remember, many if not most Nebraska fans signed off on the notion of a seven-year building project, mindful of the colossal mess Frost inherited. He now stands 14-23 overall and 9-19 in Big Ten play. His current team is 2-3 (0-2 Big Ten). This isn't exactly what Frost expected at the 3 1/2-season mark.

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The emboldened caught my attention. Not sure I believed 7 years was needed to compete for the B1G West division...

I mean if you want to Talk 7 years expected before we're seeing the college football playoff fine. 7 years to be in the B1G championship game no way.

 

[Alcaus]

I mean if you want to Talk 7 years expected before we're seeing the college football playoff fine. 7 years to be in the B1G championship game no way.

I don't know what the context of that number is. Sip doesn't state the expectations.

100% of the fanbase would've thought 7 years to get to .500 was ludicrous.

 

[Pipe Line]

Yeah it's that simple, really. It's turned into such a bizarre story/punchline it's almost like it was all set up by the football gods to embarrass Nebraska even more.

Frost the player was known as a gritty, tough, imperfect hometown kid who learned and fought his way through struggles to become an ultimate winner and leader. He took the mic after finishing his undefeated senior season and eloquently honored TO and called on the voters to crown NU as the champs, and they did. Storybook legend status.

Frost the coach rose through the ranks by leaving the fishbowl and spreading his wings on his own, step-by-step earning promotions until he got his own program at UCF and shocked the world with the most incredible two-year turnaround in college football history. He was seen as a hip young fun-loving players coach with a modern offensive philosophy that tore opponents to shreds. And people who saw him struggle in 1996 and then become a national champion in 1997 and then grow up to be the most exciting young coach in the USA 20 years later understandably felt proud!

I have zero gripes with anybody who felt this way in 2017, and I don't regret feeling that way myself. There is no doubt that the idea of Frost becoming our coach at that point and taking us back to respectability was THE coolest best-case-scenario narrative imaginable. And it's hard to just shake that! I still have a little bit of hope that it could still work out, but so far it just hasn't, AT ALL, and the current state of things is unsustainable. It's hard to understand how someone with that trajectory could end up falling flat on their face SO hard, SO many times, in such spectacular ways, the way Frost has for the past 3+ years. It's painful to watch, and it's tragic in its own way. But it doesn't mean we have to just keep letting him faceplant over and over in perpetuity.

Obviously hindsight is always 20/20 but the absolute most mind boggling thing to me is that the hard ass nosed Husker Power option QB who is on video being tough ass nails, has essentially gone soft. No one has confidence in most of the O-Line, but it's like that tough mindset is completely gone with how he calls trick plays in the red zone. He preaches the old school shit, but doesn't practice it. It's like Oregon and UCF just cancelled it all out. And that's fine, but either don't preach it or don't come back then if that's how he wants roll.

 

[Blackshirts_Win_'ships]

I don't know what the context of that number is. Sip doesn't state the expectations.

100% of the fanbase would've thought 7 years to get to .500 was ludicrous.

Methinks you underestimate the number of 90s fanboys who can’t separate the player from the coach.

 

[Jim14510]

I don't know what the context of that number is. Sip doesn't state the expectations.

100% of the fanbase would've thought 7 years to get to .500 was ludicrous.

I would say most expected a bowl game and .500 year 1. Year 2-4 at least one West division title.

 

[Alcaus]

I would say most expected a bowl game and .500 year 1. Year 2-4 at least one West division title.

That's where I was. I think I was even understanding not making a bowl game in year 1.

 

[Jim14510]

That's where I was. I think I was even understanding not making a bowl game in year 1.

Especially after the shitty start with close losses and strong finish. The close losses apparently is what we do.

 

[Black Dean]

I would say most expected a bowl game and .500 year 1. Year 2-4 at least one West division title.

Before the Frost era began I stated I didn’t care what happened in year 1, just get the culture right.

Year 2, make a bowl game; didn’t happen.

Year 3, win 8-9 games, obviously with COVID that cancelled that out; but still didn’t even have a .500 record and even let his team turn down a bowl game.

Year 4, was originally to win the west, but let’s just say we cancelled year 3, we still aren’t going to win 8-9 games, and even before this season started, I had us winning 5 anyways.

FUCK

 

[Red Finger]

I would say most expected a bowl game and .500 year 1. Year 2-4 at least one West division title.

Scott Frost himself said year 2 they were about to make a big jump.

 

[Alcaus]

Interesting

 

[Driveway Jordan]

Strength and conditioning has our OL & DL looking the part

OL looks the part. Have you seen them play? I dont care if they look like the fvckin Keebler Elves, as long as they can block someone...it would be an improvement.

 

[vailhusker]

the prior AD sought and hired Mike Riley - he wasn’t like the fifth option on the board. He was actually pretty damn successful at Oregon State, it just didn’t translate here and the prior AD meddled. He’s not the only or best candidate Nebraska could have hired.

This isn’t a career killing job other than we keep hiring poor coaches because of complex political reasons that have nothing to do with winning games, and we haven’t conducted a real coaching search since… when? “Should we hire Bo or Turner?” Isn’t a real coaching search.

Bo got 7 years and SF is going to get minimum 4 losing seasons - I can’t see why people are down on this job given the money and resources and low expectations - it’s going to get a lot of interest if our AD is willing to do an actual search.

Low expectations is right, anyone that could come in and win 6-7 games and get to a bowl game for the next couple of years would be the savior of Nebraska football.

 

[Alcaus]

OL looks the part. Have you seen them play? I dont care if they look like the fvckin Keebler Elves, as long as they can block someone...it would be an improvement.

Physically look the part is what I meant

Their play is terrible

 

[biscuitbagger3]

I know this will get torn apart by a few of you miserable assholes and I’m okay with that. I also know that TPB has perhaps the highest percentage of rational thinking, non douche bags of any Husker message board. That’s what makes TPB the greatest Husker fan outlet around and that’s why I’m going to post it anyways. Warning: it’s pretty long.

I’m pissed about these losses and I’m even more pissed about how we have been losing. It sucks. I got good and drunk enjoying the game last night and then stared at the TV in dismay when that final sequence of events happened.

As I sat there asking why I put myself through this shit year after year, I began thinking what a lot of you have been saying: Maybe we need to burn it down and start over.

That lead me to thinking about the last time we burned it down and start over. The year was 2017. We squeaked out a win over a terrible Arkansas State team, lost to an Oregon team that turned out to be terrible, and lost to MAC Northern Illinois. And most unforgettable, at the end of the season, we got boat raced by an average Cockeyes team and a terrible Minnesota team. Everyone knew what had to happen after that season. Riley had to be fired because what we had was without a doubt, unfixable. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and it was obvious however you look at it.

Fast forward to this season.

We are 2-3 with a team that could/should be 4-1 or even 5-0. (Should have beat Illinois because we are vastly more talented and could have beat ranked OU and MSU if we hadn’t shot ourselves in the foot.

2/3 of our losses have been nail biters against ranked teams on the road.

For me, it comes down to this: the difference between what we have endured this season and what we endured in 2017 is that the games have been FUN to watch and we have proven thus far that we belong on the field with any team. The issues that have plagued this team are FIXABLE.

-Our punter returner making a stupid mistake to give up a safety is fixable.

-Giving up a scoop and score before halftime is fixable.

-Our punter kicking it to the wrong side of the field is fixable.

Frustrating. But fixable nonetheless.

That’s a far cry from Riley getting boat raced by terrible teams. Losing by 33 to a bad Minnesota team is not fixable. Losing to an average Cockeyes by 42 is not fixable.

Losing sucks but if you are ready to tear it down and start over when we are unequivocally “close” to being a good team you are delusional. And I get that we have had the same issues for 4 years. But everything else besides those issues has vastly improved over the last 4 years. It’s taking too long to fix and Frost is largely to blame for that, but again, we are close to being a good team no matter how you slice it. You couldn’t say that in 2017, but you can now. If we get blown out multiple times to end the season and finish 3-9, I’ll be on board to fire Frost, but as it stands right now, it’s fixable and we are close. You simply do not fire a coach when the team is close and the issues are fixable.

Let’s say we do fire him though.

Nebraska IS NOT an attractive job right now. Nobody proven will want to come here. I’m sorry to break it to many of you but Matt Campbell is not “proven” and even he probably wouldn’t want to come here.

The odds of us hiring a coach who has us competing for B1G titles in 4 years if we fire Frost is exceedingly low.

The odds of Frost competing for B1G titles in 4 years is up for debate, but I don’t think any rational thinker can say that they are worse than any realistic alternative.

And to be clear, I am not happy about our losses and they way we lose. Frost has made a lot of mistakes. He is to blame for many of our losses and many of our shortcomings. I’m not saying he will for sure turn it around. I’m saying that even after the shit show that we’ve seen the last 4 years, I believe there is a better chance of him turning it around than any realistic hire if we fire him.

Just for shits, here is what I think needs to happen this off-season:

1. Verdu out.
2. Frost coaches QB’s.
3. Austin out and replaced.
4. Full time ST coordinator to fill Verdu’s open spot.

As it stands right now, I would anticipate us being in nearly every remaining game in the 4th quarter. I don’t think you’ll see many Vegas point spreads of +10 or more if we continue on this trajectory. I’m personally choosing to remain hopeful that we find some ways to win a few of those games because… the fixable can be fixed.

Love you guys.

This is the same analysis I go through with hot chicks. Particularly the warning.

 

[Driveway Jordan]

Physically look the part is what I meant

Their play is terrible

I guess I don't understand that narrative. How is that an improvement? We have been hearing for 3 years about how great this team looked coming off the bus. That doesn't win games...obviously.

 

[Alcaus]

I guess I don't understand that narrative. How is that an improvement? We have been hearing for 3 years about how great this team looked coming off the bus. That doesn't win games...obviously.

I think you're taking my list too seriously, I was being generous imo.

I was trying to answer your question from the perspective of someone who might actually try to answer it.

 

[Pipe Line]

I think you're taking my list too seriously, I was being generous imo.

I was trying to answer your question from the perspective of someone who might actually try to answer it.

All seriousness regardless if Frost is here or not, I hope somehow Duval is retained long term. The run stop performance on Saturday doesn't happen without him.

 

[Driveway Jordan]

I think you're taking my list too seriously, I was being generous imo.

I was trying to answer your question from the perspective of someone who might actually try to answer it.

I year ya, brother. I've just been reading that on RSS for the last 3 years...and at this point it's lead to exactly dick. "You really have to hand it to Zach Duvall...this team really looks the part, It really looks like a BIG team should look." Same post after fan day every year.

 

[Alcaus]

I year ya, brother. I've just been reading that on RSS for the last 3 years...and at this point it's lead to exactly dick. "You really have to hand it to Zach Duvall...this team really looks the part, It really looks like a BIG team should look." Same post after fan day every year.

Haha I just thought to myself... "what would they say in defense of Frost on RSS?"