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Fixable vs. Non-Fixable

I have 1 question after reading the op.

Fixable by who?

I don't see anything that makes me think the same guy who has watched these same issues go unfixed for 4 years can suddenly fix them.

Frost had a golden opportunity thanks to the extra covid eligibility giving him a much deeper and more experienced defense than he would have had otherwise. Yes other teams benefit from that, but I'd argue that few made out better than our defense. We also caught a break with OU and tOSU bring down from past years, but it won't matter because the only thing Frost has proven he can do is trip over his own dick
 
I'm open to it being more common than I think it is, but Riley seems more like an exception. Maybe it could work at Nebraska. You lose basically nothing moving on Verduzco so it comes down to what Frost gives up to focus on QBs
Yeah I doubt it makes a significant difference in this example. Lubick would maybe have to take on a bit more game planning but really what is Frost doing during practices? Instead of moving around to different position groups and taking practice reps from the qbs he'd be staying at one position.

Obviously I know a lot about what goes on at D1 football practices to support this opinion.
 
I have 1 question after reading the op.

Fixable by who?

I don't see anything that makes me think the same guy who has watched these same issues go unfixed for 4 years can suddenly fix them.

Frost had a golden opportunity thanks to the extra covid eligibility giving him a much deeper and more experienced defense than he would have had otherwise. Yes other teams benefit from that, but I'd argue that few made out better than our defense. We also caught a break with OU and tOSU bring down from past years, but it won't matter because the only thing Frost has proven he can do is trip over his own dick
Frost essentially got a free year with covid too. He should have made some changes after the covid year.
 
Yeah I doubt it makes a significant difference in this example. Lubick would maybe have to take on a bit more game planning but really what is Frost doing during practices? Instead of moving around to different position groups and taking practice reps from the qbs he'd be staying at one position.

Obviously I know a lot about what goes on at D1 football practices to support this opinion.
It’s prevalent at lower levels of college football, so it’s doable, but it won’t make a difference with Frost anyways.
 
I know this will get torn apart by a few of you miserable assholes and I’m okay with that. I also know that TPB has perhaps the highest percentage of rational thinking, non douche bags of any Husker message board. That’s what makes TPB the greatest Husker fan outlet around and that’s why I’m going to post it anyways. Warning: it’s pretty long.

I’m pissed about these losses and I’m even more pissed about how we have been losing. It sucks. I got good and drunk enjoying the game last night and then stared at the TV in dismay when that final sequence of events happened.

As I sat there asking why I put myself through this shit year after year, I began thinking what a lot of you have been saying: Maybe we need to burn it down and start over.

That lead me to thinking about the last time we burned it down and start over. The year was 2017. We squeaked out a win over a terrible Arkansas State team, lost to an Oregon team that turned out to be terrible, and lost to MAC Northern Illinois. And most unforgettable, at the end of the season, we got boat raced by an average Cockeyes team and a terrible Minnesota team. Everyone knew what had to happen after that season. Riley had to be fired because what we had was without a doubt, unfixable. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and it was obvious however you look at it.

Fast forward to this season.

We are 2-3 with a team that could/should be 4-1 or even 5-0. (Should have beat Illinois because we are vastly more talented and could have beat ranked OU and MSU if we hadn’t shot ourselves in the foot.

2/3 of our losses have been nail biters against ranked teams on the road.

For me, it comes down to this: the difference between what we have endured this season and what we endured in 2017 is that the games have been FUN to watch and we have proven thus far that we belong on the field with any team. The issues that have plagued this team are FIXABLE.

-Our punter returner making a stupid mistake to give up a safety is fixable.

-Giving up a scoop and score before halftime is fixable.

-Our punter kicking it to the wrong side of the field is fixable.

Frustrating. But fixable nonetheless.

That’s a far cry from Riley getting boat raced by terrible teams. Losing by 33 to a bad Minnesota team is not fixable. Losing to an average Cockeyes by 42 is not fixable.

Losing sucks but if you are ready to tear it down and start over when we are unequivocally “close” to being a good team you are delusional. And I get that we have had the same issues for 4 years. But everything else besides those issues has vastly improved over the last 4 years. It’s taking too long to fix and Frost is largely to blame for that, but again, we are close to being a good team no matter how you slice it. You couldn’t say that in 2017, but you can now. If we get blown out multiple times to end the season and finish 3-9, I’ll be on board to fire Frost, but as it stands right now, it’s fixable and we are close. You simply do not fire a coach when the team is close and the issues are fixable.

Let’s say we do fire him though.

Nebraska IS NOT an attractive job right now. Nobody proven will want to come here. I’m sorry to break it to many of you but Matt Campbell is not “proven” and even he probably wouldn’t want to come here.

The odds of us hiring a coach who has us competing for B1G titles in 4 years if we fire Frost is exceedingly low.

The odds of Frost competing for B1G titles in 4 years is up for debate, but I don’t think any rational thinker can say that they are worse than any realistic alternative.


And to be clear, I am not happy about our losses and they way we lose. Frost has made a lot of mistakes. He is to blame for many of our losses and many of our shortcomings. I’m not saying he will for sure turn it around. I’m saying that even after the shit show that we’ve seen the last 4 years, I believe there is a better chance of him turning it around than any realistic hire if we fire him.

Just for shits, here is what I think needs to happen this off-season:
  1. Verdu out.
  2. Frost coaches QB’s.
  3. Austin out and replaced.
  4. Full time ST coordinator to fill Verdu’s open spot.
As it stands right now, I would anticipate us being in nearly every remaining game in the 4th quarter. I don’t think you’ll see many Vegas point spreads of +10 or more if we continue on this trajectory. I’m personally choosing to remain hopeful that we find some ways to win a few of those games because… the fixable can be fixed.

Love you guys.
I am not fire Frost yet...

One thing I will say is I think this a better job than most would give it credit for.
  1. This is a very young and talented roster.
  2. New facilities
  3. $$$$$$ Nebraska has the ability to pay
Not being able to attract a new candidate wont be a reason to fire or keep him.
 
I am not fire Frost yet...

One thing I will say is I think this a better job than most would give it credit for.
  1. This is a very young and talented roster.
  2. New facilities
  3. $$$$$$ Nebraska has the ability to pay
Not being able to attract a new candidate wont be a reason to fire or keep him.
One of my main frustrations with Frost is that the roster is obviously talented. Sure as shit more talented than 2-3 at this point
 
Not being able to attract a new candidate wont be a reason to fire or keep him.
It’s a bullshit excuse. There’s plenty of good coaches that want this job.

what’s funny about the no ‘proven’ coach wants this job is: Scott Frost is statistically the worst coach Nebraska has had in 6 decades. @kenyanfeline can get butthurt about that if he wants but that’s fact. Point being, we don’t need a coach that’s proven….we just need a coach that isn’t complete dogshit.
 
It’s a bullshit excuse. There’s plenty of good coaches that want this job.

what’s funny about the no ‘proven’ coach wants this job is: Scott Frost is statistically the worst coach Nebraska has had in 6 decades. @kenyanfeline can get butthurt about that if he wants but that’s fact. Point being, we don’t need a coach that’s proven….we just need a coach that isn’t complete dogshit.
Proven coach, like the comparison to Riley, is a total strawman
 
Proven coach, like the comparison to Riley, is a total strawman
The job is attractive. It’s just not attractive if you ask people who want to keep Scott frost around.

@kenyanfeline posted this bullshit on the heels of a loss to 2nd year coach Mel Tucker. The same Mel tucker that beat Scott Frost year one in a rebuild at Colorado. Lol.

This isn’t complicated. It’s only complicated if you’re trying to make it complicated…
 
I'd imagine the gap between expected wins and actual wins is pretty substantial over the last 4 seasons
It actually isn't... Most analytics were off by 1 or 2 games. The talking heads had us winning 8,9,etc.. games. My guess is on average Frost is probably off 1.5 games a year here.
 
I get what many of you are saying about facilities, pay, and a young talented roster. But we also have a reputation in recent history of being a career ruining stop in a coaches journey.

If it were such an attractive job, why (other than Eichorst is an idiot) did we hire MIKE FREAKING RILEY the last time we had a true coaching search?

I can see it now. Frost gets fired and we hear all these rumors about these proven coaches coming for interviews and planes being tracked from various cities. And then we will hire an up and coming G5 coach or an average P5 coach because our first 7 options turned us down.

I might have a defeatist attitude about who we’d get to replace Frost and an overly optimistic attitude about Frost turning it around.

But I can make an equally valid argument that many of you have a defeatist attitude towards Frost and an overly optimistic attitude about who we’d replace him with.

I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.
 
I get what many of you are saying about facilities, pay, and a young talented roster. But we also have a reputation in recent history of being a career ruining stop in a coaches journey.

If it were such an attractive job, why (other than Eichorst is an idiot) did we hire MIKE FREAKING RILEY the last time we had a true coaching search?

I can see it now. Frost gets fired and we hear all these rumors about these proven coaches coming for interviews and planes being tracked from various cities. And then we will hire an up and coming G5 coach or abecause our first 7 options turned us down.

I might have a defeatist attitude about who we’d get to replace Frost and an overly optimistic attitude about Frost turning it around.

But I can make an equally valid argument that many of you have a defeatist attitude towards Frost and an overly optimistic attitude about who we’d replace him with.

I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.
Eichorst targeted Riley as his top hire. He had wanted him when he was an associate AD other places.

The thing about Nebraska and ruining coaches is that it's mostly false. Solich was TOs successor but his best outside option was like Minnesota. Callahan was a failed pro coach. Maybe Pelini was an up and comer but he always shit the bed when he was on the precipice of bolting for a new job. Riley was a geriatric.

The last legit search was in 2003 and SP shot his weiner off before it and then you've got 1961 as the one before that.

Who can we hire? Idfk. But it's hard for me to believe that you couldn't hire an overachieving P5 guy at a place that kind of sucks right now or a hot coordinator from a major program. Are they guaranteed to be better than Frost? No. But like you said, it's a matter of perspective (or whether you believe Frost is above the mean of ability in the candidate pool)
 
I get what many of you are saying about facilities, pay, and a young talented roster. But we also have a reputation in recent history of being a career ruining stop in a coaches journey.

If it were such an attractive job, why (other than Eichorst is an idiot) did we hire MIKE FREAKING RILEY the last time we had a true coaching search?

I can see it now. Frost gets fired and we hear all these rumors about these proven coaches coming for interviews and planes being tracked from various cities. And then we will hire an up and coming G5 coach or an average P5 coach because our first 7 options turned us down.

I might have a defeatist attitude about who we’d get to replace Frost and an overly optimistic attitude about Frost turning it around.

But I can make an equally valid argument that many of you have a defeatist attitude towards Frost and an overly optimistic attitude about who we’d replace him with.

I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

the prior AD sought and hired Mike Riley - he wasn’t like the fifth option on the board. He was actually pretty damn successful at Oregon State, it just didn’t translate here and the prior AD meddled. He’s not the only or best candidate Nebraska could have hired.

This isn’t a career killing job other than we keep hiring poor coaches because of complex political reasons that have nothing to do with winning games, and we haven’t conducted a real coaching search since… when? “Should we hire Bo or Turner?” Isn’t a real coaching search.

Bo got 7 years and SF is going to get minimum 4 losing seasons - I can’t see why people are down on this job given the money and resources and low expectations - it’s going to get a lot of interest if our AD is willing to do an actual search.
 
I get what many of you are saying about facilities, pay, and a young talented roster. But we also have a reputation in recent history of being a career ruining stop in a coaches journey.

If it were such an attractive job, why (other than Eichorst is an idiot) did we hire MIKE FREAKING RILEY the last time we had a true coaching search?

I can see it now. Frost gets fired and we hear all these rumors about these proven coaches coming for interviews and planes being tracked from various cities. And then we will hire an up and coming G5 coach or an average P5 coach because our first 7 options turned us down.

I might have a defeatist attitude about who we’d get to replace Frost and an overly optimistic attitude about Frost turning it around.

But I can make an equally valid argument that many of you have a defeatist attitude towards Frost and an overly optimistic attitude about who we’d replace him with.

I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

and to be clear, a defeatist attitude on Frost has three years and five games supporting it - which is a hell of a lot of evidence in power 5 coaching - it’s not based on nothing.
 
I'm gonna need some underlying data
The two I follow are FPI and CFP professor. I don't have a link to CFP, but he has been on 1620.

2018 FPI Had us at 5.5 wins - 4-8 actual

2019 FPI Had us 10 spots better. I can't find what they projected W/L total, but have to imagine only 10 spots would put us in the 6 range. - Actual was 5 wins

2020 FPI had us going 2-5 (they had MN as N/A) - Actual was 3-5

2021 FPI has us at 5.5

I will say that their model has actually increase our win total to 5.6.

 
The two I follow are FPI and CFP professor. I don't have a link to CFP, but he has been on 1620.

2018 FPI Had us at 5.5 wins - 4-8 actual

2019 FPI Had us 10 spots better. I can't find what they projected W/L total, but have to imagine only 10 spots would put us in the 6 range. - Actual was 5 wins

2020 FPI had us going 2-5 (they had MN as N/A) - Actual was 3-5

2021 FPI has us at 5.5

I will say that their model has actually increase our win total to 5.6.

You're an angel
 
None of the games have been fun to watch. I find myself rolling my eyes saying “here we fucking go” in the first 15 minutes of every game.

Even after taking the lead in the MSU game I got excited but then wondered how exactly we’d fuck it all up.

These “fixable” things have been consistent problems for four seasons. If they could be fixed I don’t know what Frost is waiting for.

I said 6 wins was the minimum this year, a bowl game. I still stand behind that and it’s still attainable but it’s gotten a lot more difficult after Saturday.

Stop bringing up Riley, Frost was supposed to be an improvement. Nebraska isn’t a career ending destination. Pelini was justly fired for being an asshole who had reached his ceiling and Riley was on his final leg as a head coach. Ridiculous, defeatist attitude to think we can’t get a good coach that doesn’t take half a decade to get to .500
 

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