Fixable vs. Non-Fixable

[Cash68847]

I do not consider two guys who have done OK in the ACC to be “proven.”

Clawson has made every program he has been at better by the time he left. He is more proven than Frost. I just don’t ever see Frost winning the BIG west let alone a Big title. I see no reason to keep him myself.

 

[kenyanfeline]

Where does that spot come from? You said Verduzco out and Frost in, but does any HC in the country have a position that he is responsible for like a full time assistant?

Well one off of the top of my head is Lincoln Riley so…

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Well one off of the top of my head is Lincoln Riley so…

You think putting more on frost's plate is a good idea?

 

[Chi7397]

Clawson has made every program he has been at better by the time he left. He is more proven than Frost. I just don’t ever see Frost winning the BIG west let alone a Big title. I see no reason to keep him myself.

it’s odd that a person can have blind faith in a guy with one great season in the AAC and four awful ones in the Big 10 against coaches and dismiss two guys who are doing well in the ACC

Dave Clawson’s Wake Forest teams win a lot more often Frost’s Nebraska teams…

 

[Cash68847]

it’s odd that a person can have blind faith in a guy with one great season in the AAC and four awful ones in the Big 10 against coaches and dismiss two guys who are doing well in the ACC

Dave Clawson’s Wake Forest teams win a lot more often Frost’s Nebraska teams…

I don’t even know why it’s a debate. Frost can’t even string together three wins in a row and we are in year four. Frost supporters are grasping at straws at this point. Those are just two examples of coaches. I’m sure there are other capable head coaches and assistants who could do better than Frost.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I don’t even know why it’s a debate. Frost can’t even string together three wins in a row and we are in year four. Frost supporters are grasping at straws at this point. Those are just two examples of coaches. I’m sure there are other capable head coaches and assistants who could do better than Frost.

The entire argument is premised on the idea that no coach who is better than Frost would come here, so I guess the question is for @kenyanfeline is: Suppose we fire Frost at the end of the year, who are the 3-5 best coaches that you believe we could get?

 

[Jim14510]

Where does that spot come from? You said Verduzco out and Frost in, but does any HC in the country have a position that he is responsible for like a full time assistant?

Isn't Lincoln Riley the QB's coach?

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Isn't Lincoln Riley the QB's coach?

Asked and answered Jimbo. Name another

 

[Cash68847]

The entire argument is premised on the idea that no coach who is better than Frost would come here, so I guess the question is for @kenyanfeline is: Suppose we fire Frost at the end of the year, who are the 3-5 best coaches that you believe we could get?

It’s all subjective but I believe I named two. Bill O’Brien would come here. There is another coach. I’m sure we could think of more.

 

[David Webb]

Some day I’ll understand why people get so attached to a coach and care about him more than the program.

 

[Williamsonframe]

I thought last night was fun to watch for about 55 minutes.

I guess I’ve come to terms with the fact that as a sports fan it can still be fun to watch if my team isn’t blowing the other team out. It was a close night game against a ranked opponent. Those are what makes college football fun imo.

I wasn't looking for a blow out. But watching continously bad football by our team isn't fun. I expect something bad to happen on every play and it usually happens.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

It’s all subjective but I believe I named two. Bill O’Brien would come here. There is another coach. I’m sure we could think of more.

Yeah it seems like the bigger threat on a guy like Hafley would be if USC or someone would coming sniffing around.

 

[Cash68847]

Yeah it seems like the bigger threat on a guy like Hafley would be if USC or someone would coming sniffing around.

Clieman can be our fall back plan when our top guys say no. He could coach Frost’s talent to a bowl even.

 

[turek420845]

5-15 in one possession games tells me a lot. If we were starting to turn this record this year, then I would be more optimistic. Still the same results this year.

 

[Jim14510]

Asked and answered Jimbo. Name another

You expect me to read the whole thread first?

 

[Baron Winnebago]

You expect me to read the whole thread first?

If it isn't too much trouble...

 

[Havoc34]

I don’t blame you for trying to remain optimistic. I was there last season. But We’ve read this same post almost every year. It’s year 4 and frost’s team’s are still undisciplined, uneducated on key moments of games, and still have no idea what to do on special teams. That falls at the head mans feet. 5-15 in 1 score games. I would normally think close losses are a good sign that “we are close” but dude it’s year 4 and it’s the same issues. Frost is showing he doesn’t know how to fix the little details that competent, experienced coaches do. So while the score may indicate we are close there are a laundry list of things wrong with those losses. The scores don’t tell the whole story, the record does. Getting blown out is shitty, I agree. But being so arrogant that you refuse to fire your buddies and hire proven coaches to get your team over the hump shows frost isn’t cut out for this job. I hope you’re right that Verdu and Austin get launched out of the fucking stratosphere after the season and they get a ST’s COACH and a proven O line coach. It just doesn’t inspire much confidence when it took 4 years for frost to figure that out, when most have been banging the table for better hires for multiple seasons.

 

[Jim14510]

If it isn't too much trouble...

Obviously it is. I don't know of any others ftr.

 

[Red Finger]

I know this will get torn apart by a few of you miserable assholes and I’m okay with that. I also know that TPB has perhaps the highest percentage of rational thinking, non douche bags of any Husker message board. That’s what makes TPB the greatest Husker fan outlet around and that’s why I’m going to post it anyways. Warning: it’s pretty long.

I’m pissed about these losses and I’m even more pissed about how we have been losing. It sucks. I got good and drunk enjoying the game last night and then stared at the TV in dismay when that final sequence of events happened.

As I sat there asking why I put myself through this shit year after year, I began thinking what a lot of you have been saying: Maybe we need to burn it down and start over.

That lead me to thinking about the last time we burned it down and start over. The year was 2017. We squeaked out a win over a terrible Arkansas State team, lost to an Oregon team that turned out to be terrible, and lost to MAC Northern Illinois. And most unforgettable, at the end of the season, we got boat raced by an average Cockeyes team and a terrible Minnesota team. Everyone knew what had to happen after that season. Riley had to be fired because what we had was without a doubt, unfixable. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and it was obvious however you look at it.

Fast forward to this season.

We are 2-3 with a team that could/should be 4-1 or even 5-0. (Should have beat Illinois because we are vastly more talented and could have beat ranked OU and MSU if we hadn’t shot ourselves in the foot.

2/3 of our losses have been nail biters against ranked teams on the road.

For me, it comes down to this: the difference between what we have endured this season and what we endured in 2017 is that the games have been FUN to watch and we have proven thus far that we belong on the field with any team. The issues that have plagued this team are FIXABLE.

-Our punter returner making a stupid mistake to give up a safety is fixable.

-Giving up a scoop and score before halftime is fixable.

-Our punter kicking it to the wrong side of the field is fixable.

Frustrating. But fixable nonetheless.

That’s a far cry from Riley getting boat raced by terrible teams. Losing by 33 to a bad Minnesota team is not fixable. Losing to an average Cockeyes by 42 is not fixable.

Losing sucks but if you are ready to tear it down and start over when we are unequivocally “close” to being a good team you are delusional. And I get that we have had the same issues for 4 years. But everything else besides those issues has vastly improved over the last 4 years. It’s taking too long to fix and Frost is largely to blame for that, but again, we are close to being a good team no matter how you slice it. You couldn’t say that in 2017, but you can now. If we get blown out multiple times to end the season and finish 3-9, I’ll be on board to fire Frost, but as it stands right now, it’s fixable and we are close. You simply do not fire a coach when the team is close and the issues are fixable.

Let’s say we do fire him though.

Nebraska IS NOT an attractive job right now. Nobody proven will want to come here. I’m sorry to break it to many of you but Matt Campbell is not “proven” and even he probably wouldn’t want to come here.

The odds of us hiring a coach who has us competing for B1G titles in 4 years if we fire Frost is exceedingly low.

The odds of Frost competing for B1G titles in 4 years is up for debate, but I don’t think any rational thinker can say that they are worse than any realistic alternative.

And to be clear, I am not happy about our losses and they way we lose. Frost has made a lot of mistakes. He is to blame for many of our losses and many of our shortcomings. I’m not saying he will for sure turn it around. I’m saying that even after the shit show that we’ve seen the last 4 years, I believe there is a better chance of him turning it around than any realistic hire if we fire him.

Just for shits, here is what I think needs to happen this off-season:

1. Verdu out.
2. Frost coaches QB’s.
3. Austin out and replaced.
4. Full time ST coordinator to fill Verdu’s open spot.

As it stands right now, I would anticipate us being in nearly every remaining game in the 4th quarter. I don’t think you’ll see many Vegas point spreads of +10 or more if we continue on this trajectory. I’m personally choosing to remain hopeful that we find some ways to win a few of those games because… the fixable can be fixed.

Love you guys.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Obviously it is. I don't know of any others ftr.

I'm open to it being more common than I think it is, but Riley seems more like an exception. Maybe it could work at Nebraska. You lose basically nothing moving on Verduzco so it comes down to what Frost gives up to focus on QBs