End of Hoiberg era mirroring end of Miles era

[Huskers4420]

My recollection is that Johnson bounced when Kenya went to UConn so retaining Miles wouldn't have mattered

Oh ya, you're right. I forgot about Hunter bouncing before Miles was canned.

 

[HerbRedman]

I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet. I still believe this team is better than any team from the last decade+ at Nebraska. They've had a shitty week after a bye week. I think they will rebound and pull themselves out of the doldrums.

However, Hoiberg needs to have a serious discussion with Josiah Allick to learn his God Damn role. That dude is a terrible shooter. He's a good rebounder and an adequate defender, but if he's more than 5 feet from the basket, then he should be looking to pass. There is a reason why nobody is defending him outside the lane.

This 23-24 has potential absolutely. But so did the 18-19 team. The similarity I'm seeing is the absolute lack of fight in the team to match the other team's hustle/intensity.

The point of this thread is that I was so disgusted with how the team just gave up in the final 10 min vs TTU that I proclaimed the Miles era dead. That was the ultimate "show people what you're all about" game and we just sat back and let TTU take out manhood.

Last night, NU knew it pretty much had to have that game & they basically did the same thing. Sat back and watched while MN out-hustled us to every loose ball, beat us to every rebound, etc.

Point of my OP is that this is starting to look familiar.

 

[HerbRedman]

Maybe I should've posted it here instead:

Apparently Fred has been told that this year is "Make the tourney or you're out" - again probably an obvious ultimatum, but it's formally been laid out for him.

Yeah see this is my point: that makes the NU players' lack of fight all the more infuriating.

The players have to know this a make or break yr for their coach - and THAT'S the effort they put in? Shocking. Even the BTN announcers noticed it. Everyone noticed it.

I remember the last season for Miles I literally could not believe his players weren't diving for loose balls for him, getting in fights (did you see the MN guy wanted to fight Bryce Williams last night?)....they just sat back and watched as their coach's job went down the tubes.

It's starting to look like this Hoiberg team has the exact level of fight for Fred that Miles's team had for Tim, which is about zero.

 

[jickey moseph]

I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet. I still believe this team is better than any team from the last decade+ at Nebraska. They've had a shitty week after a bye week. I think they will rebound and pull themselves out of the doldrums.

However, Hoiberg needs to have a serious discussion with Josiah Allick to learn his God Damn role. That dude is a terrible shooter. He's a good rebounder and an adequate defender, but if he's more than 5 feet from the basket, then he should be looking to pass. There is a reason why nobody is defending him outside the lane.

It's painful to watch Allick try anything offensively. He's a spinning plate of fine China when he tries to make a post move

 

[HuskerMarine]

This loss felt similar to the game I called "ball game" on the Miles era: the non-con loss to Texas Tech (70-52 in KC). Cliffs notes version: NU hoops starting to gain hype, started 4-0, beat all 4 teams by 20 or more. TTU was starting to look good but was still unknown at the time. They did end up a #3 seed in the tourney but were unranked at this point. Cliffs: Nebraska had a 2nd half collapse, letting TTU do anything they wanted in last 10 min, and were lucky to only lose by 18.

95% of NU fans laughed it off as just one game. But I immediately said "this team is in deep trouble." NU went on to an absolutely pathetic 6-14 in the B1G that year and Miles was fired.

So I'm calling my shot now. This Minnesota loss is the end of the Hoiberg era. This team has zero heart, zero emotion and is not good enough when faced with decent opposition. My biggest surprise of that 2018-2019 season was how little the team fought for Miles when they knew he was coaching for his job. This squad is starting to look like that squad.

Texas Tech defense stifles Nebraska in classic championship

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — With two seconds left on the shot clock, Tim Miles called out a defense for an out-of-bounds play. He crossed his arms in an X. The

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[Kaladin]

The end of the football season and Pickle Smoochers game broke me as a Nebraska sports fan. Nothing good happens. Nothing good will ever happen. The sooner we accept that even the slightest glimmer of hope is really just a dead cat bounce, the better off we'll all be.

stop being such a whiny bitch

 

[Cornicator]

This 23-24 has potential absolutely. But so did the 18-19 team. The similarity I'm seeing is the absolute lack of fight in the team to match the other team's hustle/intensity.

The point of this thread is that I was so disgusted with how the team just gave up in the final 10 min vs TTU that I proclaimed the Miles era dead. That was the ultimate "show people what you're all about" game and we just sat back and let TTU take out manhood.

Last night, NU knew it pretty much had to have that game & they basically did the same thing. Sat back and watched while MN out-hustled us to every loose ball, beat us to every rebound, etc.

Point of my OP is that this is starting to look familiar.

The 18-19 team had zero depth though, and that was really a calling card of the Tim Miles era. He would have a team with a solid starting five and 1 or 2 high impact players, but the bench was often terrible. I believe my eyes and knowledge of the sport enough to see something different with this current roster. The 22-23 roster is constructed differently.

That doesn't mean we should excuse their poor play, weak defense, and absence of hustle. If anything, we should call it out even more because this team is TOO good to produce that type of product.

But I don't think there is reason to hit the panic button yet.


Rienk Mast having the two worst games of his career back to back seems more like a anomaly than a trend. Mast and Tominaga combining for 8 points also seems like an anomaly.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

stop being such a whiny bitch

 

[Kaladin]

 

[HerbRedman]

The 18-19 team had zero depth though, and that was really a calling card of the Tim Miles era. He would have a team with a solid starting five and 1 or 2 high impact players, but the bench was often terrible. I believe my eyes and knowledge of the sport enough to see something different with this current roster. The 22-23 roster is constructed differently.

That doesn't mean we should excuse their poor play, weak defense, and absence of hustle. If anything, we should call it out even more because this team is TOO good to produce that type of product.

But I don't think there is reason to hit the panic button yet.


Rienk Mast having the two worst games of his career back to back seems more like a anomaly than a trend. Mast and Tominaga combining for 8 points also seems like an anomaly.

Good points.

Part of my reason for making this thread is doing reverse psychology on the NU hoops hex. There's now a record of me making this prediction. I'll be humiliated if Hoiberg turns it around and the team goes 26-6 and we make the tourney as a #3 seed.

Yes I'll be laughed at and humiliated on here for this bad take, but I won't care because Nebraska will be living it up in the 2024 Final Four and the initial plans for the Hoiberg statue outside of PBA will be getting drawn. That was my true goal of this OP. I want my prediction to be wrong. I want this to be the worst prediction in the history of TPB which would leave me ostracized and kicked out of all acceptable social circles. It'd be the end of me.

 

[HerbRedman]

 

[RedSavage]

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What doesn't make sense to me about this is how does the university not know then if this is the case? Why not fire his ass before the season? Crickets from the players?

Doesn't exactly add up

 

[HerbRedman]

What doesn't make sense to me about this is how does the university not know then if this is the case? Why not fire his ass before the season? Crickets from the players?

Doesn't exactly add up

Yeah who knows.

It's hard to believe Hoiberg just doesn't coach. He doesn't do a good job of motivating the players though. Look at the MN coach last night - dude was having an aneurysm firing up his players. Fred, not so much.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Yeah who knows.

It's hard to believe Hoiberg just doesn't coach. He doesn't do a good job of motivating the players though. Look at the MN coach last night - dude was having an aneurysm firing up his players. Fred, not so much.

Is there some correlation between good coaching and the redness of your face?

 

[HerbRedman]

Is there some correlation between good coaching and the redness of your face?

Yes 100%

Gotta hand it to Fred though: other coaches look like the SNL Matt Foley character at the end of their games but ol' Fred looks like he just walked through the breakfast buffet line at his country club. That's not easy to do.

 

[BIGSTICK67]

Ya, I am starting to feel about Fred like I did about Frost toward the end of year three. Feels over for Fred, too. Hopefully they don't let it go 3 more years.

I'm here too. Was ISU smoke and mirrors?

Personally, I never thought he turned into a bad coach, but am in reconsideration mode.

 

[Cornicator]

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I don't believe that shit at all.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I'm here too. Was ISU smoke and mirrors?

Personally, I never thought he turned into a bad coach, but am in reconsideration mode.

He was an early mover on transfers and built a pretty stacked roster with it. He's a good coach but it ain't working here for whatever reason

 

[Papa...Football]

Is there some correlation between good coaching and the redness of your face?

Bobby Knight sure got red faced a lot, so…
maybe 🤷‍♂️

 

[BIGSTICK67]

Yeah who knows.

It's hard to believe Hoiberg just doesn't coach. He doesn't do a good job of motivating the players though. Look at the MN coach last night - dude was having an aneurysm firing up his players. Fred, not so much.

Fred has a heart condition. Seriously though, maybe it's because he knows he can't get too worked up, or his ticker could have a hiccup.