And so it begins...(tracking Coach Prime decommits/transfers)

[turek420845]

SIAP:
Totally crazy if true!

https://athlonsports.com/college/co...e-turns-into-locker-room-violence-in-colorado

 

[Juro]

SIAP:
Totally crazy if true!

https://athlonsports.com/college/co...e-turns-into-locker-room-violence-in-colorado

 

[BIGSTICK67]

SIAP:
Totally crazy if true!

https://athlonsports.com/college/co...e-turns-into-locker-room-violence-in-colorado

Even if it's just sort of true, around here it's ALL true...and more. Narrative is important, and we have damn near every fan base starting to see the light.

 

[HerbRedman]

Not a professional scout but I think they're marginally better across almost every position group. Certainly have the advantage of continuity from last year which they didn't have in '23 and they brought in better transfers than they did last year too. Impossible team to project given the structure of their organization. They're still a case study

NDSU is getting overrated due to their recent stretch and general hype around this game. Bit of a tumultuous offseason. I like Polasek and heard him talk ball a few times when he was at Cockeye but they won't have the dogs to keep up with CU. Bad matchup for them

I actually think CU will beat NDSU by 21 or more.

As you mentioned, CU is a terrible matchup for NDSU. CU has a massive advantage at QB+WR positions. This means that CU doesn't even have to be that great in the game but they can break the game open with 5-7 30 yd plays (which they will get). Then CU's crowd will go nuts etc.

They'll hit on these plays and then the NDSU CBs and safeties will start doubting themselves and the crowd goes nuts and it will turn into a blowout.

It's the perfect type of game for CU.

 

[Stan Raymond]

I actually think CU will beat NDSU by 21 or more.

As you mentioned, CU is a terrible matchup for NDSU. CU has a massive advantage at QB+WR positions. This means that CU doesn't even have to be that great in the game but they can break the game open with 5-7 30 yd plays (which they will get). Then CU's crowd will go nuts etc.

They'll hit on these plays and then the NDSU CBs and safeties will start doubting themselves and the crowd goes nuts and it will turn into a blowout.

It's the perfect type of game for CU.

Certainly possible, the two biggest differences between FCS and FBS is speed and size, and Colorado has speed at WR that NDSU will have issues with.

 

[Bootleg11]

I actually think CU will beat NDSU by 21 or more.

As you mentioned, CU is a terrible matchup for NDSU. CU has a massive advantage at QB+WR positions. This means that CU doesn't even have to be that great in the game but they can break the game open with 5-7 30 yd plays (which they will get). Then CU's crowd will go nuts etc.

They'll hit on these plays and then the NDSU CBs and safeties will start doubting themselves and the crowd goes nuts and it will turn into a blowout.

It's the perfect type of game for CU.

Also this isn’t the NDSU from a few years ago.

 

[Cornicator]

Not a professional scout but I think they're marginally better across almost every position group. Certainly have the advantage of continuity from last year which they didn't have in '23 and they brought in better transfers than they did last year too. Impossible team to project given the structure of their organization. They're still a case study

NDSU is getting overrated due to their recent stretch and general hype around this game. Bit of a tumultuous offseason. I like Polasek and heard him talk ball a few times when he was at Cockeye but they won't have the dogs to keep up with CU. Bad matchup for them

As other have pointed out, what continuity are you talking about?

They return three starters from last years offense. On top of that, their offense is replacing OC Sean Lewis with Pat Shurmur (a notoriously bad NFL OC), and O'Boyle is out as their OL Coach and is being replaced by Phil Loadholt (first year as a position coach). In additon to a few other offensive coaching changes, they also will be breaking in a first year DC, who also has zero years of experience coaching in college.

Colorado lost their best WR to the NFL, lost their best RBs and are completely replacing their OL with a true freshman LT, a LG who was third-team all FCS, a center who did start two games for them last year (not a compliment), UTEP's starting RG, and Indiana's RT last year (best OL IMO). Their first year OL coach is going to be asked to be a miracle worker...

I actually think CU will beat NDSU by 21 or more.

As you mentioned, CU is a terrible matchup for NDSU. CU has a massive advantage at QB+WR positions. This means that CU doesn't even have to be that great in the game but they can break the game open with 5-7 30 yd plays (which they will get). Then CU's crowd will go nuts etc.

They'll hit on these plays and then the NDSU CBs and safeties will start doubting themselves and the crowd goes nuts and it will turn into a blowout.

It's the perfect type of game for CU.

Also this isn’t the NDSU from a few years ago.

I enjoy the discussion, I will respond from the bottom up:

1. NDSU isn't the same juggernaut, but their 2024 defense should be as good as its been the last 5 years. They have future pros at all 3 levels, and I would argue at least 4 dudes in their front 7 would start for Colorado.

2. I wouldn't claim CU is "better at every position," but they are more than likely improved in two key areas; Pass PRO and generating a pass rush. I don't believe they will be able to run the ball any better any early reports from their Fall camp suggest their DC is not happy with their run defense. I'm not a fan of PFF, but if you look at the grades of their incoming linemen on both sides of the ball, they are better protecting a passer and getting to the passer, but awful at run blocking or stopping the run. The Defensive Tackle transfer from Houston was considered the worst interior defensive linemen vs. the run in the Big 12. And when you see him, it makes sense. The dude is 5'11 290.

3. CU is also shifting to the 4-2-5. That's not a bad move for the Big 12, but the scheme is naturally leaky against the run.

4. As for my thoughts about CU vs. NDSU, All Spring and Summer, I was thinking the Buffs would win that one easily, but at this point, I can't escape the feeling that CU is dealing with a shit ton of distractions while trying to insert a new offense and defense with an OC that hasn't coached in the college game for nearly 30 years and a DC that's never been a DC ever.


Gun to my head?

I think that game goes 4 quarters and CU has to fight all game long. I believe they will win, but there will be moments where the ESPN cameras pick up shots of CU players acting like they're on a Netflix show.

 

[BradWesley]

I enjoy the discussion, I will respond from the bottom up:

Gun to my head?

I think that game goes 4 quarters and CU has to fight all game long. I believe they will win, but there will be moments where the ESPN cameras pick up shots of CU players acting like they're on a Netflix show.

That will be used as a halftime motivational device…

 

[Tonkasker]

Certainly have the advantage of continuity from last year -

Going to have to explain this to me.

As other have pointed out, what continuity are you talking about?

At face value it's preposterous but in context there's definitely a continuity edge from '23. Going from having zero returning staff and players to even having a few is an advantage even if it's not large.

1. QB being on campus for a year and having rapport with OC makes for a better learning environment.
2. Replacing OC doesn't mean installing completely foreign concepts and terms - probably a lot of holdover esp since it was done mid-year. My guess is it was a pretty simple scheme anyway

They might have less continuity than 95% of FBS programs but last year they were dead last.

The program is a case study even for the guys in the building. Having a year to study it is huge. CU lost multiple games/kept multiple games close as a direct result of overcomplicating in-game playcalling and decision-making. A lot of blown assignments on both sides of the ball (and on staff) especially late in the year when the depth showed itself. They could be three points better just based on coaching staff experience - Deion almost lost the Colorado State game himself with OT tactical decisions and lost the Oregon State game himself. Stanford game should have been won if they had run the ball. A bad, experienced coach wins all those games and colorado goes bowling.

 

[Alcaus]

Colorado

Cons

• The majority of their returning production on offense is Shadeur and Hunter
• Their returning production on defense is ranked in the top-15 and they were putrid last year
• Their OL will be bad
• HC is a deteriorating POS
• They play in Lincoln

Pros

• They had a lot of non-contributors transfer out with the exception of some young, highly ranked freshman. Primarily offense.
• Colorado added some production and experience this offseason, a handful are proven P5 contributors. They added quite a bit of young talent that saw the field as FR & RSFR.
• Their DL will be improved
• They'll have better playmakers at WR
• They'll be deeper on defense
• They still have Shadeur & Hunter

Nebraska

Cons

• TrFR QB
• LB depth is unknown
• DB room lost major production from last season, young
• Kicker can't kick

Pros

• Greatest TrFR QB of all time
• Offense has better playmakers at WR
• OL is deep, big and will fuck
• DL is deep, big and will fuck
• Turnovers can't get worse (please Jesus)
• HC fucks
• DB coach is one of the best in the business
• Our defense fucks
• We play in Lincoln

 

[Kazman5k]

Colorado

Cons

• The majority of their returning production on offense is Shadildo and Hunter
• Their returning production on defense is ranked in the top-15 and they were putrid last year
• Their OL will be bad
• HC is a deteriorating POS
• They play in Lincoln

Pros

• They had a lot of non-contributors transfer out with the exception of some young, highly ranked freshman. Primarily offense.
• Colorado added some production and experience this offseason, a handful are proven P5 contributors. They added quite a bit of young talent that saw the field as FR & RSFR.
• Their DL will be improved
• They'll have better playmakers at WR
• They'll be deeper on defense
• They still have Shadildo & Hunter

Nebraska

Cons

• TrFR QB
• LB depth is unknown
• DB room lost major production from last season, young
• Kicker can't kick

Pros

• Greatest TrFR QB of all time
• Offense has better playmakers at WR
• OL is deep, big and will fuck
• DL is deep, big and will fuck
• Turnovers can't get worse (please Jesus)
• HC fucks
• DB coach is one of the best in the business
• Our defense fucks
• We play in Lincoln

That’s a lot of fuckin

 

[Alcaus]

That’s a lot of fuckin

We've had issues this offseason...

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

That’s a lot of fuckin

 

[Stan Raymond]

3. CU is also shifting to the 4-2-5. That's not a bad move for the Big 12, but the scheme is naturally leaky against the run.

Generally I'd agree with that, but this season CU plays most of the run heavy Big 12 schools: Utah, Kansas St , Kansas, Arizona and Oklahoma St. Those teams will run on Colorado all day long.

 

[Steveweiser316]

As other have pointed out, what continuity are you talking about?

They return three starters from last years offense. On top of that, their offense is replacing OC Sean Lewis with Pat Shurmur (a notoriously bad NFL OC), and O'Boyle is out as their OL Coach and is being replaced by Phil Loadholt (first year as a position coach). In additon to a few other offensive coaching changes, they also will be breaking in a first year DC, who also has zero years of experience coaching in college.

Colorado lost their best WR to the NFL, lost their best RBs and are completely replacing their OL with a true freshman LT, a LG who was third-team all FCS, a center who did start two games for them last year (not a compliment), UTEP's starting RG, and Indiana's RT last year (best OL IMO). Their first year OL coach is going to be asked to be a miracle worker...

I think their OL has better talent this year than last. I also don’t see much drop off in their WRs. They got a pretty good transfer WR. However, I agree that the coaching will not be good. Although I think that’s gonna show up a little later in the year when teams know what their running along with their lack of depth.

 

[Steveweiser316]

I enjoy the discussion, I will respond from the bottom up:

1. NDSU isn't the same juggernaut, but their 2024 defense should be as good as its been the last 5 years. They have future pros at all 3 levels, and I would argue at least 4 dudes in their front 7 would start for Colorado.

2. I wouldn't claim CU is "better at every position," but they are more than likely improved in two key areas; Pass PRO and generating a pass rush. I don't believe they will be able to run the ball any better any early reports from their Fall camp suggest their DC is not happy with their run defense. I'm not a fan of PFF, but if you look at the grades of their incoming linemen on both sides of the ball, they are better protecting a passer and getting to the passer, but awful at run blocking or stopping the run. The Defensive Tackle transfer from Houston was considered the worst interior defensive linemen vs. the run in the Big 12. And when you see him, it makes sense. The dude is 5'11 290.

3. CU is also shifting to the 4-2-5. That's not a bad move for the Big 12, but the scheme is naturally leaky against the run.

4. As for my thoughts about CU vs. NDSU, All Spring and Summer, I was thinking the Buffs would win that one easily, but at this point, I can't escape the feeling that CU is dealing with a shit ton of distractions while trying to insert a new offense and defense with an OC that hasn't coached in the college game for nearly 30 years and a DC that's never been a DC ever.


Gun to my head?

I think that game goes 4 quarters and CU has to fight all game long. I believe they will win, but there will be moments where the ESPN cameras pick up shots of CU players acting like they're on a Netflix show.

Shumur took the OC reigns from Lewis toward the middle of the year last year

 

[Lionsfan93]

I think their OL has better talent this year than last. I also don’t see much drop off in their WRs. They got a pretty good transfer WR. However, I agree that the coaching will not be good. Although I think that’s gonna show up a little later in the year when teams know what their running along with their lack of depth.

They lost their #1 WR to the NFL...replacing that isn't as easy as it sounds. Weaver is a big loss for them.

Also, I have it on good authority that the defense is praying that Travis Hunter is playing both ways - they are going to make it a VERY long night for him. Hunter and Sanders haven't done themselves any favors and have put pretty big targets on their backs for this season.

 

[Cornicator]

Shumur took the OC reigns from Lewis toward the middle of the year last year

Lewis was demoted the first week of November. And Shurmur is on record saying he didn't really change much schematically. He's made wholesale changes going into 2024.

And anyone who thinks Pat Shurmur is an upgrade over Lewis is either a Colorado fan or functionally retarded.

 

[Stan Raymond]

And anyone who thinks Pat Shurmur is an upgrade over Lewis is either a Colorado fan or functionally retarded.

Colorado fans are just a subset of the functionally retarded.

Loved how Shurmur said he was going to make running the ball a priority and all 4 returning RBs transferred out. Real confidence booster there.

Shurmur also said they were going to use the TE more, their transfer TE from Cincinnati left after Spring practice, only took 1 semester for him to see what it is.

 

[Fitzjess21]

Colorado fans are just a subset of the functionally retarded.

Loved how Shurmur said he was going to make running the ball a priority and all 4 returning RBs transferred out. Real confidence booster there.

Shurmur also said they were going to use the TE more, their transfer TE from Cincinnati left after Spring practice, only took 1 semester for him to see what it is.

It's the Shadeur and Hunter show. Thats what it's been about from the start. Was and will never be about anything else.