***UPDATE ***OL for 2023

[...TrueColors...]

Also there was basically no reason last year’s team should have missed a bowl

Yes and also insert like every team going back to 2017

The idea we seemingly believe that a 6-6 record is reserved for only the elite of the elite is ridiculous. 6-6 is still a bad football team. To get to that mark we have to win as many big ten games next year as we did this year and you’re at 6-6 if you can go 3-0 in the non con. And 2023 non-con is the worst in recent memory.

 

[djw004]

Here's the question I always like to ask:

Do we think these guys completely forgot how to play football suddenly, or are there other factors that contribute to their competency?

For instance - when Corcoran stepped in and filled Jaimes' shoes against Rutgers without missing a beat. Most everyone was through the roof about his performance, being so young. Do we think he suddenly just can't play anymore? I don't - I think he has the ceiling that Wiltfong projected, a 2-3 rounder, but that he's been hindered. We heard Rhule talk about how damaging a lack of identity is to OL play. I hold out a TON of hope for Corcoran to be what he was expected to be.

Benhart on the other hand has never shown REAL impact or even consistent flashes of competency. That's a guy I think you can look at and say "I wouldn't be surprised if he just never figures it out"

I believe that's what Rhule was eluding to when he mentioned he doesn't buy this idea we don't have competent guys in that room already. Some you can confidently write off as misses, others you have to ask "why did they suddenly struggle so badly?"

 

[Kaladin]

Here's the question I always like to ask:

Do we think these guys completely forgot how to play football suddenly, or are there other factors that contribute to their competency?

For instance - when Corcoran stepped in and filled Jaimes' shoes against Rutgers without missing a beat. Most everyone was through the roof about his performance, being so young. Do we think he suddenly just can't play anymore? I don't - I think he has the ceiling that Wiltfong projected, a 2-3 rounder, but that he's been hindered. We heard Rhule talk about how damaging a lack of identity is to OL play. I hold out a TON of hope for Corcoran to be what he was expected to be.

Benhart on the other hand has never shown REAL impact or even consistent flashes of competency. That's a guy I think you can look at and say "I wouldn't be surprised if he just never figures it out"

I believe that's what Rhule was eluding to when he mentioned he doesn't buy this idea we don't have competent guys in that room already. Some you can confidently write off as misses, others you have to ask "why did they suddenly struggle so badly?"

Corcoran has repeatedly been injured hasn't he?

 

[DrinkItIn]

LOL this thread. People made excuses for Frost for over 5 years and in year FUCKING FIVE, if that dipshit somehow made it to 6 wins, many were ready to roll it back and do it all over again.

The pieces are there to make a bowl game sure, but to say that if a bowl isn't achieved the season is a failure is absurd.

Oh....and I also remember people blaming the players for Frosts failures b/c Frost was obviously coaching them right, the players just weren't executing.

 

[Jim14510]

LOL this thread. People made excuses for Frost for over 5 years and in year FUCKING FIVE, if that dipshit somehow made it to 6 wins, many were ready to roll it back and do it all over again.

The pieces are there to make a bowl game sure, but to say that if a bowl isn't achieved the season is a failure is absurd.

Oh....and I also remember people blaming the players for Frosts failures b/c Frost was obviously coaching them right, the players just weren't executing.

I don't think anyone is saying "errrmahgawd Rhule has to make a bowl game or send his ass packing".

I think people are saying "it should be doable given you've got 3 layups in noncon and play in the big ten west".

Now we might not be good enough to make the layups, but as far as a schedule set up for a first year HC to get off to a good start this is a pretty damn good one.

 

[djw004]

Corcoran has repeatedly been injured hasn't he?

Not entirely sure - I only remember last spring

 

[Jim14510]

Saying we should make a bowl game is a fair statement. Saying we should have made bowl games throughout Frost's Nebraska illustrious career is also a fair statement.

Neither statement explicitly says that the coach should be fired for not doing so.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Here's the question I always like to ask:

Do we think these guys completely forgot how to play football suddenly, or are there other factors that contribute to their competency?

For instance - when Corcoran stepped in and filled Jaimes' shoes against Rutgers without missing a beat. Most everyone was through the roof about his performance, being so young. Do we think he suddenly just can't play anymore? I don't - I think he has the ceiling that Wiltfong projected, a 2-3 rounder, but that he's been hindered. We heard Rhule talk about how damaging a lack of identity is to OL play. I hold out a TON of hope for Corcoran to be what he was expected to be.

Benhart on the other hand has never shown REAL impact or even consistent flashes of competency. That's a guy I think you can look at and say "I wouldn't be surprised if he just never figures it out"

I believe that's what Rhule was eluding to when he mentioned he doesn't buy this idea we don't have competent guys in that room already. Some you can confidently write off as misses, others you have to ask "why did they suddenly struggle so badly?"

As @slattimer pointed out and per other side conversations; Our offensive line were responsible for knowing roughly 12 different run blocking schemes. They wouldn’t carry that many into a game week. But they had roughly 12 different run blocking schemes they had to know. Add in the pass protections and you’ve likely got 16-20 schemes an offensive lineman has to know at Nebraska.

With each of those schemes their footwork, hand placement and aim points are different. Take it one step further we would see our “core” running plays (if there were such a thing the last 5 years) shift from week to week. For example, one week we’d run the crap out of dart and it looked pretty good and then you wouldn’t see it for another 3 weeks.

That’s a lot for an OL.

If you watch Rhule at Baylor and Satterfield at SC, you’ll notice a common theme; which is they’ve got four core running plays and they run their four core running plays each week.

Rhule said he doesn’t buy that the OL was completely at fault for what’s happened and I agree with him 100%.

 

[...TrueColors...]

LOL this thread. People made excuses for Frost for over 5 years and in year FUCKING FIVE, if that dipshit somehow made it to 6 wins, many were ready to roll it back and do it all over again.

The pieces are there to make a bowl game sure, but to say that if a bowl isn't achieved the season is a failure is absurd.

Oh....and I also remember people blaming the players for Frosts failures b/c Frost was obviously coaching them right, the players just weren't executing.

Who said it would be failure if we don’t get to 6 wins in 2023 and who was okay with him staying here if Frost got to 6 wins in 2022?

 

[DrinkItIn]

Who said it would be failure if we don’t get to 6 wins in 2023 and who was okay with him staying here if Frost got to 6 wins in 2022?

You are right. The word "Failure" was not used.

However, ITT the following phrases were said verbatim:

"there’s almost no good reason for Rhule to not go bowling in year one."
"There is simply zero reason for Rhule not to be bowl eligible next year."
"Rhule should win 6."

When I hear: no good reason, simple zero reason, should win 6...that elicits to me that if he doesn't get to six wins, that essentially equates to failure.

Apologies If I am interpreting this wrong.

If NU can stay healthy on offense, yes I think NU can get to bowl eligibility. I am just hoping NU doesn't lose their first 6 games out of gate.

 

[...TrueColors...]

You are right. The word "Failure" was not used.

However, ITT the following phrases were said verbatim:

"there’s almost no good reason for Rhule to not go bowling in year one."
"There is simply zero reason for Rhule not to be bowl eligible next year."
"Rhule should win 6."

When I hear: no good reason, simple zero reason, should win 6...that elicits to me that if he doesn't get to six wins, that essentially equates to failure.

Apologies If I am interpreting this wrong.

If NU can stay healthy on offense, yes I think NU can get to bowl eligibility. I am just hoping NU doesn't lose their first 6 games out of gate.

I think a decent comparison would be Illinois with Bielema in year one. He won 5 games and was a win against Stephen F. Austin away from 6 wins. When you look at his roster in 2021 compared to ours, I’m not sure a case could be made that he took over a better situation.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

I think a decent comparison would be Illinois with Bielema in year one. He won 5 games and was a win against Stephen F. Austin away from 6 wins. When you look at his roster in 2021 compared to ours, I’m not sure a case could be made that he took over a better situation.

you have got to be trolling. look at the NFL talent fat Bert inherited on defense

 

[...TrueColors...]

you have got to be trolling. look at the NFL talent fat Bert inherited on defense

I’m not sure I am following. Illinois had 1 guy drafted on their defense from the 2021 squad. Where the 2022 kids end up remains to be seen. I’ll give you the Witherspoon kid for certain on defense. The rest we will see.

I don’t believe that Lovie Smith, a man who was 17-39 in his time at Illinois, had a knack for stacking NFL talent.

I’m not sure why you so passionately believe 6 wins isn’t attainable or realistic to expect in year one here. The schedule is favorable and there is a ton of returning guys on a team that should have absolutely accomplished such a daunting feat in 2022.

 

[Jim14510]

I’m not sure I am following. Illinois had 1 guy drafted on their defense from the 2021 squad. Where the 2022 kids end up remains to be seen. I’ll give you the Witherspoon kid for certain on defense. The rest we will see.

I don’t believe that Lovie Smith, a man who was 17-39 in his time at Illinois, had a knack for stacking NFL talent.

I’m not sure why you so passionately believe 6 wins isn’t attainable or realistic to expect in year one here. The schedule is favorable and there is a ton of returning guys on a team that should have absolutely accomplished such a daunting feat in 2022.

I did a little exercise on how many players from each B1G team were in the NFL. Illinois had a surprising amount. I want to say they were 2nd in the west and maybe 5th overall?

 

[...TrueColors...]

I did a little exercise on how many players from each B1G team were in the NFL. Illinois had a surprising amount. I want to say they were 2nd in the west and maybe 5th overall?

They’ve traditionally had some sneaky good talent on the front 7 on defense. I wanna say it was 2016 where they had some edge rushers that I thought could play for anyone. It wouldn’t surprise me if they have a lot of guys on rosters at all. But it doesn’t appear they had many guys drafted last year and are on tap to be drafted this year.

 

[Jim14510]

They’ve traditionally had some sneaky good talent on the front 7 on defense. I wanna say it was 2016 where they had some edge rushers that I thought could play for anyone. It wouldn’t surprise me if they have a lot of guys on rosters at all. But it doesn’t appear they had many guys drafted last year and are on tap to be drafted this year.

Yeah I was counting undrafted FA that were still on the roster at that point too.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I could be wrong but I'm of the opinion that our team is far from as shitty and untalented as you'd think with the record the last several years

 

[slattimer]

As @slattimer pointed out and per other side conversations; Our offensive line were responsible for knowing roughly 12 different run blocking schemes. They wouldn’t carry that many into a game week. But they had roughly 12 different run blocking schemes they had to know. Add in the pass protections and you’ve likely got 16-20 schemes an offensive lineman has to know at Nebraska.

With each of those schemes their footwork, hand placement and aim points are different. Take it one step further we would see our “core” running plays (if there were such a thing the last 5 years) shift from week to week. For example, one week we’d run the crap out of dart and it looked pretty good and then you wouldn’t see it for another 3 weeks.

That’s a lot for an OL.

If you watch Rhule at Baylor and Satterfield at SC, you’ll notice a common theme; which is they’ve got four core running plays and they run their four core running plays each week.

Rhule said he doesn’t buy that the OL was completely at fault for what’s happened and I agree with him 100%.

I’ll be interested in what their core run schemes will be. One will most certainly be inside zone. I think you’ll see power/counter gap scheme. After that. You’ll get some sort of outside scheme I’d imagine. Satterfield ran some pin and pull at SC. Or outside zone. The 4th IMO will be draw.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I’ll be interested in what their core run schemes will be. One will most certainly be inside zone. I think you’ll see power/counter gap scheme. After that. You’ll get some sort of outside scheme I’d imagine. Satterfield ran some pin and pull at SC. Or outside zone. The 4th IMO will be draw.

The German, Scott, and Cork on the interior make me think that IZ and power/counter have the potential to be pretty good as the year goes on.

 

[...TrueColors...]

I could be wrong but I'm of the opinion that our team is far from as shitty and untalented as you'd think with the record the last several years

I don’t think talent was the reason we lost to NW, Ga Southern, Illinois, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.