Breaking OLD THREAD Dylan to UGA

[doublewing]

I agree with your sentiment... but just to clarify, Nebraska was NEVER a "we take whatever guys we want" recruiting juggernaut. Never ever ever. Not even during our 60-3 period from 1993-1998... even then we recruited below our stature as the #1 program in CFB (we never had #1 ranked recruiting classes).

This is difficult because Rivals and Scout did not do team rankings in that period obviously. But I remember following the team in those yrs and we lost out on a ton of recruits I wanted/thought we'd get. Even right after we won National Championships we were still getting beat out to recruits by Florida, Florida St and Miami (and others). Also Osborne wasn't a star hunter - he basically went after the guys he valued, regardless of their hype.

My point is, even at the height of our program we were probably bringing in #7 to #12 ranked classes. And that was when we were the #1 CFB program in America. That frankly is our ceiling here due to geographic location. If Rhule gets us to #25 this year that's a success. If he ever gets us to 10-15th ranking that's very impressive. We're not a FL or Southern California school, we just have a ceiling here.

While NU wasn't like GA or OSU is today, they still had plenty of Top 10 finishes and one #1 finish in recruiting under TO- recruiting rankings history. They especially dominated the surrounding states. If you were a good player in CO, IA, KS, MO, etc, and NU wanted you - you were going to NU.

While it's true they didn't get everyone they wanted, TO got quite a few of them and went into places like CA, FL, and TX for the very best prospects. When you can do that and develop talent to a proven system, it was lethal for the rest of CFB.

 

[DuckSker]

Johnny Stanton also made Elite 11 FWIW.

Johnny Stanton wasn’t the #1 rated QB and a 5 star. Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Tua, Bryce Young all made Elite 11 fwiw

 

[Sous Chef]

While NU wasn't like GA or OSU is today, they still had plenty of Top 10 finishes and one #1 finish in recruiting under TO- recruiting rankings history. They especially dominated the surrounding states. If you were a good player in CO, IA, KS, MO, etc, and NU wanted you - you were going to NU.

While it's true they didn't get everyone they wanted, TO got quite a few of them and went into places like CA, FL, and TX for the very best prospects. When you can do that and develop talent to a proven system, it was lethal for the rest of CFB.

Lets be honest though. TO's teams had certain pharmacological advantages in turning farm boys into studs.

 

[Steveweiser316]

Is this graphic for real?

 

[HerbRedman]

While NU wasn't like GA or OSU is today, they still had plenty of Top 10 finishes and one #1 finish in recruiting under TO- recruiting rankings history. They especially dominated the surrounding states. If you were a good player in CO, IA, KS, MO, etc, and NU wanted you - you were going to NU.

While it's true they didn't get everyone they wanted, TO got quite a few of them and went into places like CA, FL, and TX for the very best prospects. When you can do that and develop talent to a proven system, it was lethal for the rest of CFB.

We're in agreement. I'm saying that it's even tougher now for Nebraska since we don't have the ceiling of UF, USC, Bama, UGA, OSU.

The telling part of the chart is in 97-2001. Those are the 5 years after Nebraska dominated CFB. Those HS kids grew up with Nebraska in their formative years as the Cadillac of CFB programs. And look where we finished in the rankings:



That's how we recruited coming off a 60-3 five year period. (!)

Pretty fuckin amazing for morons and quackers who think Rhule should roll into Lincoln pulling top 10 classes to his 4-8 program before he's even coached a game.

 

[Jim14510]

I agree with your sentiment... but just to clarify, Nebraska was NEVER a "we take whatever guys we want" recruiting juggernaut. Never ever ever. Not even during our 60-3 period from 1993-1998... even then we recruited below our stature as the #1 program in CFB (we never had #1 ranked recruiting classes).

This is difficult because Rivals and Scout did not do team rankings in that period obviously. But I remember following the team in those yrs and we lost out on a ton of recruits I wanted/thought we'd get. Even right after we won National Championships we were still getting beat out to recruits by Florida, Florida St and Miami (and others). Also Osborne wasn't a star hunter - he basically went after the guys he valued, regardless of their hype.

My point is, even at the height of our program we were probably bringing in #7 to #12 ranked classes. And that was when we were the #1 CFB program in America. That frankly is our ceiling here due to geographic location. If Rhule gets us to #25 this year that's a success. If he ever gets us to 10-15th ranking that's very impressive. We're not a FL or Southern California school, we just have a ceiling here.

Lot of assumptions there and even if we just take your assumptions as fact there were somewhat unique variables.

First and foremost recruiting was a lot different. You could still find diamonds in the rough. Not kids that eventually develop but fantastic players that only regional or select teams knew about i.e. Barry Sanders.

Even if you could take today's technology and recruiting services back to those days:

Our offense wasn't built for top recruiting classes. True dual threat QB's were even more rare than they are now. They either passed or ran. Receivers gtfo. We threw 10 times a game.

I'd bet our defensive recruiting classes stacked up with anybodies.

 

[CornHub]

I don't really want him if that's how it goes. If he sucks for Georgia then is that really a good thing for Nebraska? His star power for recruiting will be gone

My hope is Nebraska has a good QB and isn't forced to drop to their knees for this kid. It would be so sweet for Rhule to have the program rolling and not have to beg for players to transfer like the place Frost and Pelini and Riley were at. Build the program back up and let the program decide it's success, can't be the other way around where we are always hoping for a savior.

I had the same thoughts, but then I remembered Justin Fields was once at Georgia. Georgia's claim to fame at QB is nobody being able to beat out a walk-on QB that was drafted in the 4th round.

 

[HerbRedman]

Lot of assumptions there and even if we just take your assumptions as fact there were somewhat unique variables.

First and foremost recruiting was a lot different. You could still find diamonds in the rough. Not kids that eventually develop but fantastic players that only regional or select teams knew about i.e. Barry Sanders.

Even if you could take today's technology and recruiting services back to those days:

Our offense wasn't built for top recruiting classes. True dual threat QB's were even more rare than they are now. They either passed or ran. Receivers gtfo. We threw 10 times a game.

I'd bet our defensive recruiting classes stacked up with anybodies.

My point is that if you are far an away the #1 program in the country - and we were from 94-98 - then your commensurate recruiting ranking should basically be #1 every year. Or at least #1-#3. They didn't have the same rankings then but I can tell you from reading every article I could in that time period there was no way our classes would have been that high.

You supported my point saying that our offenses didn't attract 5* skill positions like QBs, WRs and TE's. And you were correct.

I'm just saying that we'd probably be in the 6-10 range during those years w today's rankings. And that's poor when you're the #1 program in the country. If you're the #1 program in the USA and you bring a #9 ranked recruiting class, that's under-recruiting vs your stature in the game.

My point is: our recruiting has a natural handicap that UF, FSU, USC, OSU, UGA don't have. So if Rhule actually gets us to a 10-15 ranking it'll be fucking impressive. And if he pulls a #20-25 ranking in DEC 2023 than that will be REALLY fuckin impressive to do at a place like Nebraska when he's recruiting to a 4-8 record most of that time.

This is directed at morons and quackers who somehow think it's expected that Rhule should be pulling in top 10 recruiting classes to a 4-8 program before he's even coached a game. Osborne and Solich were BARELY cracking the top 10 and they were recruiting to the #1 CFB program in the USA. Yet idiots think somehow Rhule should be in the top 10 in May after he takes over a 4-8 program. It's fucking moronic.

 

[Goskers07]

Johnny Stanton also made Elite 11 FWIW.

Kind of off topic but kind of on topic: I can never get too excited about the Elite 11. I mean it's cool, but they've got a heck of a long history of QBs that didn't do shit.

Elite 11 QBs that didn't make the league:
1999: 6
2000: 3 (and the list that did make it was rough.)
2001: 3
2002: 7
2003: 5
2004: 8 (Harrison Beck sighting)
2005: 6
2006: 7
2007: 4 (Fuck you Blaine Gabbert)
2008: 4
2009: 7 (8 if you count Blake Bell, who's a TE in the league now)
2010: 8
2011: 9
2012: 7 (Johnny Stanton technically made the league as a FB)
2013: 6
2014: 6
2015: 7
2016: 8 (Tathan Martell sighting)

That's where I stop because 2017 and beyond has guys either just getting to the league or still in College.

So, on average, about 6/11 each year don't do shit. And tons of em transfered.

 

[Jim14510]

You supported my point saying that our offenses didn't attract 5* skill positions like QBs, WRs and TE's.

But that's my point. You wouldn't have had 1-3 classes for that alone. The success of the program couldn't overcome that. You have to throw top OT's in there too. They went places that passed the ball.

No reason for those limitations now. While it doesn't make up for our suckiness in that way its easier to recruit here now.

 

[HerbRedman]

But that's my point. You wouldn't have had 1-3 classes for that alone. The success of the program couldn't overcome that. You have to throw top OT's in there too. They went places that passed the ball.

No reason for those limitations now. While it doesn't make up for our suckiness in that way its easier to recruit here now.

Ehh... many of those limitations are still there. The only northern school that actually recruits elite level is OSU. ND, UM, PSU were a tier below in 2023. The sun belt programs still appear to have a stranglehold on those 1-5 rankings (minus OSU).

I do think Nebraska has the ceiling to be a 7-12 ranked program that recruits at the 7-12 level. Would just take a ton of work and results to get there though. And probably NIL.

My argument is not about long term ceiling... my only argument is that if you thought Rhule's base expectation level was to be snatching 4 & 5* recruits in the March after he took over for a 4-8 basement dweller program, you're a fuckin moron. You never said this so I'm not directing it at you.

What Rhule can do in yr 2-5 is a lot different. He can do great things.

 

[HuskerDocCo]

im not going to sleep for 30 days Bc of this FARRTTT FVCKIN FUDSGGGEEE

 

[HuskerDocCo]

He can POTENTIALLY do great things.

fify Herb. i just don’t wanna go whackin off yet about corch matt. He needs a few more 5’9” 225 lb neck rolls on our roster in order to do great things

 

[Jim14510]

My argument is not about long term ceiling... my only argument is that if you thought Rhule's base expectation level was to be snatching 4 & 5* recruits in the March after he took over for a 4-8 basement dweller program, you're a fuckin moron. You never said this so I'm not directing it at you.

What Rhule can do in yr 2-5 is a lot different. He can do great things.

I think Dylan could have given him that boost but that's like saying it's easier to make a million dollars if you let me start with a million dollars.

I don't think there's any limitation other than money now. If you could take NIL money out of the equation you win games and put people in the NFL there's no reason Nebraska couldn't be at Ohio St level.

But you can't take NIL out of the equation and we'll never be at Ohio St level in terms of money.

 

[HerbRedman]

I don't think there's any limitation other than money now. If you could take NIL money out of the equation you win games and put people in the NFL there's no reason Nebraska couldn't be at Ohio St level.

I disagree with this. No point in going back and forth on it, I just disagree.

There's too much baggage against Lincoln right now, built up over last 20 years. Farm country, small town, uncool, corn fields, shitty weather, hard to travel to, have embarrassed themselves on TV last 20 years. OSU has established itself as epicenter of CFB over last 20 yrs.

I cannot envision a scenario where we rose to OSU's current level consistently (even without NIL). Even if we made the CFP final 4 for five seasons in a row I think we'd still get out recruited by OSU. Slightly.

I honestly think it'd take another 20 years of 0.850 winning % to get back there. That's how much we've fallen post Solich IMHO. And that was my point earlier - Nebraska was NEVER that epicenter of coolness in CFB even when we were a dominant program. So it's hard for me to envision it after a string of 4-8s.

 

[HerbRedman]

fify Herb. i just don’t wanna go whackin off yet about corch matt. He needs a few more 5’9” 225 lb neck rolls on our roster in order to do great things

Two words for you HDC: FAARRRRR and TTTTTTTT.

 

[djw004]

Johnny Stanton wasn’t the #1 rated QB and a 5 star. Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Tua, Bryce Young all made Elite 11 fwiw

My only question is…just how overrated would you be arguing Raiola is if he did choose DONU?

Something tells me, if we are being honest here you little fuck, that you’d be arguing he was absolute trash and that his commitment wouldn’t have met anything anyways because he’s basically Tate Martell…or that his commitment won’t last because he Decommitted from tOSU and he will do it again.

But, if your sister had nuts you’d have another brother, so this is an unrecoverable tragedy…

 

[Ext. 55]

Congratulations! Best wishes! Stay out of Nebraska. And don’t want in two years as a reject. Go suck a cock.

 

[DuckSker]

My only question is…just how overrated would you be arguing Raiola is if he did choose DONU?

Something tells me, if we are being honest here you little fuck, that you’d be arguing he was absolute trash and that his commitment wouldn’t have met anything anyways because he’s basically Tate Martell…or that his commitment won’t last because he Decommitted from tOSU and he will do it again.

But, if your sister had nuts you’d have another brother, so this is an unrecoverable tragedy…

Lucky for us Rhule said last week Scott left him a dang good roster so i dont see why we wont win next couple years! The adults are in charge now dj relax

 

[HuskerGarrett]

Someone pointed out that Dylan is already friends with Kirby Smart on Venmo 😂