Marcus Satterfield - Who is he?

[Ext. 55]

The timing of Rhule coming here play a role in the Satterfield hire? What was on the market for OCs at the time?

 

[JankTheTank]

The timing of Rhule coming here play a role in the Satterfield hire? What was on the market for OCs at the time?

That's kind of a tough question to answer when coordiantors that aren't on the market suddenly are for the right paycheck.

Here is an article that compiles all of the OC changes made between the 2022 and 2023 seasons though.

https://footballscoop.com/news/fbs-offensive-coordinator-tracker-2022-23

 

[kenyanfeline]

As much as I despise Pee Pants....they run a system on offense. They run the ever living shit out of 12 personnel, inside and outside zone from the gun, and just hammer at you, RPO it, and PAP.

Wisky had a system under Fat Bert and Chryst. Power, Counter, Zone Iso, PAP. Shit, they do now under Longo.

Ohio State - 11 personnel, gun run - Inside Zone, Power/Counter.

Rhule under Baylor - 11/12 personnel - IZ, Counter, Draw w/ RPOs off all of it + vertical passing game. We don't resemble that shit at all.

Bold part is most disappointing. He’s done it before with arguably worse players. Is the difference between Big 12 and B1G defenses that large that we can’t even try to have the identity that worked for him previously?

 

[HerbRedman]

The timing of Rhule coming here play a role in the Satterfield hire? What was on the market for OCs at the time?

This stuff never becomes public, unless a candidate has to announce he took himself out of the running for some reason etc.

All we really have are media people speculating. IIRC people know Rhule was a Phil Snow guy, but it was clear that Snow was retiring. So no one had any idea who Rhule was gonna get bc there really weren't any good candidates known from Rhule's previous circle.

On offense I just remember people speculating about 3 people Rhule had familiarity with: Nixon, Thomas and Satterfield. The speculation I recall was that Rhule really wanted Nixon but he didn't want to leave his NFL gig. Kind of similar for Thomas. Satterfield was kind of an obvious pick for media since he had already been an OC at a "Power 2" level school (unfortunately he was getting run out of town there though).



My 10000% speculation is that Rhule was comfortable in one unknown (to him) for a coordinator role, but not two. Rhule was big on culture, OOU, rebuild my way, etc...he probably felt like he needed a guy familiar with his leadership style and philosophies to help establish it here. So you had basically 3 guys to pull from & hence we got Satt.

Next OC you need to go completely new to you IMHO.

 

[...TrueColors...]

You are clueless, they are poor all the way around. The only thing that I will give you is the pass pro is not as bad as our run blocking but that is like polishing a turd. They don't get much help from the backs either but Uncle Donnie needs to go and he should have not been kept on to begin with.

You’re wrong

 

[Pepe Silvia]

This stuff never becomes public, unless a candidate has to announce he took himself out of the running for some reason etc.

All we really have are media people speculating. IIRC people know Rhule was a Phil Snow guy, but it was clear that Snow was retiring. So no one had any idea who Rhule was gonna get bc there really weren't any good candidates known from Rhule's previous circle.

On offense I just remember people speculating about 3 people Rhule had familiarity with: Nixon, Thomas and Satterfield. The speculation I recall was that Rhule really wanted Nixon but he didn't want to leave his NFL gig. Kind of similar for Thomas. Satterfield was kind of an obvious pick for media since he had already been an OC at a "Power 2" level school (unfortunately he was getting run out of town there though).



My 10000% speculation is that Rhule was comfortable in one unknown (to him) for a coordinator role, but not two. Rhule was big on culture, OOU, rebuild my way, etc...he probably felt like he needed a guy familiar with his leadership style and philosophies to help establish it here. So you had basically 3 guys to pull from & hence we got Satt.

Next OC you need to go completely new to you IMHO.

Even White was kind of from Rhule's circle. TW played at UCLAbia when Rhule was an assistant there

 

[ZaneTrain23]

This stuff never becomes public, unless a candidate has to announce he took himself out of the running for some reason etc.

All we really have are media people speculating. IIRC people know Rhule was a Phil Snow guy, but it was clear that Snow was retiring. So no one had any idea who Rhule was gonna get bc there really weren't any good candidates known from Rhule's previous circle.

On offense I just remember people speculating about 3 people Rhule had familiarity with: Nixon, Thomas and Satterfield. The speculation I recall was that Rhule really wanted Nixon but he didn't want to leave his NFL gig. Kind of similar for Thomas. Satterfield was kind of an obvious pick for media since he had already been an OC at a "Power 2" level school (unfortunately he was getting run out of town there though).



My 10000% speculation is that Rhule was comfortable in one unknown (to him) for a coordinator role, but not two. Rhule was big on culture, OOU, rebuild my way, etc...he probably felt like he needed a guy familiar with his leadership style and philosophies to help establish it here. So you had basically 3 guys to pull from & hence we got Satt.

Next OC you need to go completely new to you IMHO.

It also didn’t help that Satterfield put up 62 and 30 on back to back top 10 teams but I really really really doubt he called those games himself according to the rumors. Think the timing of Rhule committing to us and those “shootout Satt” games was the devil acting in his best interest.

 

[tman87]

You are clueless, they are poor all the way around. The only thing that I will give you is the pass pro is not as bad as our run blocking but that is like polishing a turd. They don't get much help from the backs either but Uncle Donnie needs to go and he should have not been kept on to begin with.

It's really hard to block well when your OC is calling the same basic duo blocking run play over and over. And opposing DC's and defense know what you are running and when you are running it. The run game couldn't be more vanilla or telegraphed.

Pass pro has been better. Still not "great", but not terrible.

Overall, at this point I think the O Line has shown some improvement, and I am OK with Don Raiola as our O Line coach. That could change, but for now it is not some glaring hole or weakness, and the group as a whole has improved from what it was.

 

[HerbRedman]

Even White was kind of from Rhule's circle. TW played at UCLAbia when Rhule was an assistant there

Yep. I just said unknown in that Rhule really had no idea what type of a coach he was bc their crossover was so brief and limited.

You can see how important the OOU stuff was to Rhule for culture building, etc back when he was originally hired. I think he's to the point now where you can really go 'best available.' Our situation wasn't so insanely bad that you had to rip it down to the studs.

Our problem now is not a culture problem. This wasn't a Briles situation or an SMU death penalty. We just need better players and coaches to compete with the best in the B1G, full stop.

 

[HerbRedman]

BTW I'm not saying Tony White needs to leave. I still have faith in him. Although when he lays an egg vs B1G OCs, he fails spectacularly. I'll give him that.

But I give the DC some grace in that the offense has been so bad these last 2 seasons, the DC job is harder.

 

[slattimer]

Bold part is most disappointing. He’s done it before with arguably worse players. Is the difference between Big 12 and B1G defenses that large that we can’t even try to have the identity that worked for him previously?

It's basically what Minnesota does...there's no reason they couldn't IMO.

 

[BIG TONE SOPRANO]

Rhule, Satt and McGuire were siting right next to us at an unnamed golf course this summer. I doubt he fires any of them.

 

[Dear_Leader]

We know he was at best 3rd. Nixon was first, Thomas 2nd. I would love to know how far Satt was actually down Rhule's list.

Thought Peetz was the play and he called no to be a Co Oc?

 

[HerbRedman]

Thought Peetz was the play and he called no to be a Co Oc?

Shit that was the 4th one....thank you.

I don't think Peetz was an option for Rhule as sole OC. At least it didn't seem that way from the media blurbs at the time.

I only remember seeing Peetz as a Co guy or QB coach etc. Regardless he would have been a huge help.

 

[Dear_Leader]

Shit that was the 4th one....thank you.

I don't think Peetz was an option for Rhule as sole OC. At least it didn't seem that way from the media blurbs at the time.

I only remember seeing Peetz as a Co guy or QB coach etc. Regardless he would have been a huge help.

I think he would’ve been a difference maker. Roll of the dice though. One year at LSU and did great. Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Herbie]

BTW I'm not saying Tony White needs to leave. I still have faith in him. Although when he lays an egg vs B1G OCs, he fails spectacularly. I'll give him that.

But I give the DC some grace in that the offense has been so bad these last 2 seasons, the DC job is harder.

I get the vibe TW leave this season.
Not sure he gets a HC job, maybe a low G6 job. But no since he left SDSU he hasn’t stayed anywhere long. I could see him jumping to another P5 school for more money.

 

[Ext. 55]

This stuff never becomes public, unless a candidate has to announce he took himself out of the running for some reason etc.

All we really have are media people speculating. IIRC people know Rhule was a Phil Snow guy, but it was clear that Snow was retiring. So no one had any idea who Rhule was gonna get bc there really weren't any good candidates known from Rhule's previous circle.

On offense I just remember people speculating about 3 people Rhule had familiarity with: Nixon, Thomas and Satterfield. The speculation I recall was that Rhule really wanted Nixon but he didn't want to leave his NFL gig. Kind of similar for Thomas. Satterfield was kind of an obvious pick for media since he had already been an OC at a "Power 2" level school (unfortunately he was getting run out of town there though).



My 10000% speculation is that Rhule was comfortable in one unknown (to him) for a coordinator role, but not two. Rhule was big on culture, OOU, rebuild my way, etc...he probably felt like he needed a guy familiar with his leadership style and philosophies to help establish it here. So you had basically 3 guys to pull from & hence we got Satt.

Next OC you need to go completely new to you IMHO.

Makes sense. Kind of felt Satt was his only ‘comfortable’ option coming in to year one at the time.

 

[Juro]

Makes sense. Kind of felt Satt was his only ‘comfortable’ option coming in to year one at the time.

You think Rhule would have enough connections to literally ask, 'hey, I need an up and coming OC who knows this type of offense I want to run'. But the first few calls included Satt.

If Rhule didn't have someone on his staff starting to look around for a new OC and RB, WR, and ST coaches a month ago, then yeah, we're screwed going into next season.

 

[Fargo Husker]

 

[nscottie]

I think something needs to be done before offseason. Even something like taking play calling away from Satterfield.

I’m not sure you want to fire anyone before offseason but get Satterfield out of play calling. Doogie Houser needs a time out too. He is so far in over his head. We shouldn’t have an on the job training position leading a group.