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[Alcaus]

But it is about academics as well as athletics. Unlike other conferences the B1G also has a academic side. The schools generate large amounts of research revenue (over $11B a year), combine libraries, procurement, etc. That's why all the recent additions (other than Nebraska) have been top 25 public universities or, in SC's case, a highly respected private university.

Big Ten Academic Alliance - Impact Report

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USC, Northwestern and Stanford are private. If the prediction of Stanford, Cal, and Washington comes true, these would be the public universities in the BIG along with their US News & World Report Public University National Ranking:

1	Cal
2	UCLAbia
3 tie	Michigan
10 Tie	Wisconsin
13 TIE	Illinois
16	Ohio St
18	Purdoodoo
19 Tie	Buttgers
19 Tie	Maryland
19 Tie	Washington
23	Minnesota
29	Indianus
31 Tie	Mich St
31 Tie	Penn St
35	Cockeye
48 Tie	Oregon
72 Tie	Nebraska

This is all leading to a Power 2 conference landscape.

Academics are not going to keep the conferences from adding the best athletic departments/markets.

 

[Carm]

Rankings of potential candidates

3 Tie	Virginia
5 Tie	UNC
15	Ga Tech
19 Tie	Florida St
31 Tie	Clemson
48 Tie	Utah
48 Tie	Arizona
56 Tie	Arizona St

 

[Carm]

looks like UW is up to something

UW would be the University presidents' choice between UW and UO

 

[Carm]

This is all leading to a Power 2 conference landscape.

Academics are not going to keep the conferences from adding the best athletic departments/markets.

TV will dictate a lot, but one year's annual research revenue is more than the entire recent B!G media contract over its entire lifetime. That why the B1G would take these four - big upside on the academic side, only a small dilution of the media revenue. Fox won't pays for these schools and the B1G would do it anyway.

They'll need to find a fourth partner to do late night broadcast.

 

[Steveweiser316]

Yeah, I heard him. I honestly think he's a man who loves the cfb stuff, but also a transgender.

I always had a feeling that he was a guy, but some of the stuff always pointed off with the name Jessica.

I’m gonna laugh my ass off when one of the sports debate shows takes a quote from him and uses that as their basis for their argument

 

[Steveweiser316]

TV will dictate a lot, but one year's annual research revenue is more than the entire recent B!G media contract over its entire lifetime. That why the B1G would take these four - big upside on the academic side, only a small dilution of the media revenue. Fox won't pays for these schools and the B1G would do it anyway.

They'll need to find a fourth partner to do late night broadcast.

Couldn’t they use FS1 for the late games?

 

[Steveweiser316]

Not only that, giving them a voice in any conversation as a conference member seems like a huge mistake.

I get the academic argument, I don't think it should matter though. This is about athletics, not academics and I can't see any argument favoring Cal & Stanford over Clemson & FSU (if that was the choice). Adding a Southeast footprint vs a NorCal one is a laughable comparison.

Stanford has really good Athletics outside of football

 

[Carm]

Couldn’t they use FS1 for the late games?

Fox likely doesn't want to buy more games. They could do anything - even the Apple streaming idea the Pac 123 was toying with. Just some additional revenue to help defray the dilution they'd have even paying the 4 new schools half shares.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

 

[Alcaus]

TV will dictate a lot, but one year's annual research revenue is more than the entire recent B!G media contract over its entire lifetime. That why the B1G would take these four - big upside on the academic side, only a small dilution of the media revenue. Fox won't pays for these schools and the B1G would do it anyway.

They'll need to find a fourth partner to do late night broadcast.

My point is that academics are not going to determine conference expansion moving forward. Not that Cal/Stanford aren’t valuable academic institutions.

Increasing the interconnectedness of major universities will happen regardless of who is accepted into the conference. That research figure will only increase. I don’t see a lot of net negatives from adding additional academic institutions all of which are higher ranked than Nebraska. (Cal, Stanford, Clemson, FSU, Oregon, Washington)

Are we concerned about admission priority here?

 

[Irv]

 

[Carm]

My point is that academics are not going to determine conference expansion moving forward. Not that Cal/Stanford aren’t valuable academic institutions.

I think the academic side will be a huge driver in who the B1G takes should the ACC ever collapses

 

[Irv]

The timing of that UW meeting is also right after the Arizona BOR one. Seems like they know they are going to hear about more defections.

 

[Irv]

I think the academic side will be a huge driver in who the B1G takes should the ACC ever collapses

The academic piece is a lot more important to the B1G than people think. It's the sole reason Stanford and Cal are even mentioned. it's the reason UW is seen as more of a lock -- the reporting seems to be that UW has told B12 to buzz off while Oregon has told them it's keeping its options open.

 

[Carm]

If the ACC collapses the B1G university presidents will want Virginia and UNC for sure, and Fox will want FSU for sure, so those three would definitely get in

 

[Irv]

 

[Alcaus]

The academic piece is a lot more important to the B1G than people think. It's the sole reason Stanford and Cal are even mentioned. it's the reason UW is seen as more of a lock -- the reporting seems to be that UW has told B12 to buzz off while Oregon has told them it's keeping its options open.

My feeling has always been that the B1G values academics more so than any other conference.

Why are Oregon/UW seemingly the target of further expansion in the near term and not Cal/Stanford?

 

[Baron Winnebago]

My feeling has always been that the B1G values academics more so than any other conference.

Why are Oregon/UW seemingly the target of further expansion in the near term and not Cal/Stanford?

UW is a great public institution, but the answer is football brands. I think the Big Ten should look at the best possible football brands a way to safeguard against the implosion of cable tv. If you have to do it via streaming you're going to want the FSU/Clemson/Oregon's of the world that have fanbases who are foaming at the mouth for football instead of academic schools that don't give two toots about the endeavor.


Also there is no market for Cal and Stanford because they'd never degrade themselves by associating with the Big XII or SEC unliterates

 

[Irv]

 

[Alcaus]

@Carm what $11B research revenue are you referencing? Reading through the impact report it references $11B in research funding.

Funding vs. revenue are very different in my mind but maybe you have additional data.