Las Vegas Aces offered $1M to beat a boys high school team

[Jim14510]

when he was *exactly* right

 

[Irv]

That's literally the exact context of the discussion lol

"[When the boys HS championship team wins], then my overall point will be made, which is boys shouldn't be competing in women's athletics because boys are bigger, stronger, and faster, even high school boys."



6:12-6:24

Oh, I see. He wants to protect women's sports by taking a shit on them.

 

[...TrueColors...]

FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage

The match was in preparation for Thursday's USWNT friendly versus Russia

www.cbssports.com

Someone I use to play and coach with was at this game and said that you have to play prepubescent boys verse the women’s team and then it would be fair. So U12-13 is about fair to play against grown women.

 

[Blakejc]

Not really, since it would prove exactly what it sets out to prove. If you say that is obvious and doesn't need to be proven, I agree, but then we'd all need to agree that boys shouldn't be competing in women's sports, which unfortunately isn't happening, hence the discussion.

But more to the point, you said @Jim14510 was wrong about the context when he was *exactly* right

You’re right, I had no idea somebody would be dumb enough to veil this ridiculous stunt as an experiment. Lesson learned.

I love the gender argument though. Because it comes down to testosterone levels, and the real hypocrisy will happen when we just start using that as a barometer for competition. Then we’ll see natural woman barred from competing (like the Nigerian sprinters) in their own sport. Then we’ll have an actual dilemma on our hands.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Oh, I see. He wants to protect women's sports by taking a shit on them.

I’d actually say allowing biological men to compete as legitimate participants is shitting on them more.

 

[Jim14510]

Oh, I see. He wants to protect women's sports by taking a shit on them.

It's not shitting on them. It's stating what we all should know is the case.

 

[...TrueColors...]

It's not shitting on them. It's stating what we all should know is the case.

We all do know it.

Some people are more okay with lying about this topic in the name of “equality” than others are.

 

[Mavsker]

Oh, I see. He wants to protect women's sports by taking a shit on them.

It might shock you to believe that many women (real women) actually enjoy the privilege of fair competition in sport. And would like to continue enjoying that privilege.

It's a fact that NFL team would kick the shit out of my son's middle school team. Am I taking a shit on my son's team by stating that fact? That's completely absurd and emotional. Sports require fair competition.

 

[Mavsker]

You’re right, I had no idea somebody would be dumb enough to veil this ridiculous stunt as an experiment. Lesson learned.

I love the gender argument though. Because it comes down to testosterone levels, and the real hypocrisy will happen when we just start using that as a barometer for competition. Then we’ll see natural woman barred from competing (like the Nigerian sprinters) in their own sport. Then we’ll have an actual dilemma on our hands.

No, the real difference is not only testosterone. That's completely absurd. Put a male MMA fighter in a ring with a female MMA fighter on a testosterone regiment so their T levels are similar and the female would lose badly and/or die.
Just a completely ridiculous argument.

 

[Blakejc]

No, the real difference is not only testosterone. That's completely absurd. Put a male MMA fighter in a ring with a female MMA fighter on a testosterone regiment so their T levels are similar and the female would lose badly and/or die.
Just a completely ridiculous argument.

Of course you can’t put an adult female on a testosterone regimen and expect that to level out the physiological advantage of a man who went through puberty. Same reason no amount of estrogen can cancel out the advantage of going through puberty as a male. A transitioning female who took testosterone through puberty at the levels of a male is a different story.

Regardless, what other metric is there to measure besides testosterone? It’s the only objective, scientific barometer, and even it is flawed. You don’t know when someone transitioning started taking it (or started estrogen) and some women have naturally higher testosterone levels than allowed by competition panels.

So naturally, the best way to figure this out is by offering millions of dollars to prove a point that doesn’t need proving by embarrassing women who just won a championship. Cool.

 

[Mavsker]

Regardless, what other metric is there to measure besides testosterone? It’s the only objective, scientific barometer, and even it is flawed.

It really is not that complicated. Can you really think of no other metric by which we can divide males and females into two distinct categories for sports, besides their testosterone levels?

I'll give you some time to think long and hard about it.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I don't know where this fits in, but @Jim14510's daughter has been able to out drive him since she was 11

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

I don't know where this fits in, but @Jim14510's daughter has been able to out drive him since she was 11

Especially damning when you consider that women are terrible drivers.

 

[Blakejc]

It really is not that complicated. Can you really think of no other metric by which we can divide males and females into two distinct categories for sports, besides their testosterone levels?

I'll give you some time to think long and hard about it.

The problem is simply more nuanced than that, whether you like it or not.

 

[Southendzonehusker]

Fair. My overall point is, they get way more exposure out of the WNBA than they would donating jerseys to a high school. WNBA numbers are growing, whether they're making money or not. So, for the people on here acting like the NBA isn't getting anything from the $10 mil a year they put into it, and are simply doing so out of charity, is laughable. They get the exposure and the tax benefit.

I know in 2012, 22 out of 30 NBA teams lost money. Some of them as much as $20 mil. Why aren't we dunking on those players for not deserving to be paid millions? Their organizations obviously aren't attracting the eyeballs to turn a profit.

I’m pretty sure it was half the teams in 2012 after the housing market crash and they had to renew tv contracts. The difference is that most NBA teams were still valued at half a billion. The Storm this year were only valued at $151 mill. Teams in the NBA will always be fine because of their profit. If the WNBA wasn’t support by the NBA it wouldn’t exist.

 

[dsbigred1]

A few more pages, and I think we’ll find that common ground we’re looking for, fellas

 

[Stan Raymond]

The WNBA has one problem. It isn't that the players aren't as good as men or even boys.

The problem with the WNBA is that the games are not fun to watch, it's not entertaining, it's boring and hard to watch.

 

[Adolph Coors]

my alumni team who would average 7 beers drank, would roll the aces by 20+. we are too physically imposing.

 

[Jim14510]

The problem is simply more nuanced than that, whether you like it or not.

And sentences like this are why Clay Travis' point is relevant.

 

[realbp]

Not sure this fits into the current flow of this conversation, but WNBA revenue has nearly doubled since 2019. I think that the league has a real chance of being a model for professional women's athletics. I really appreciate a lot of those women's skill, they are very talented. However, not nearly as physically gifted as men. I appreciate their game for what it is. I hope the league becomes self-sustaining and thrives in the future. I think there needs to be a real avenue for women to be able to compete after college professionally.