Is 8-4 success? What about 7-5?

[Irv]

Can we pause and consider the fact that the line between okay and failure is one game apparently?

If Raiola doesn’t get hurt and we beat USC, but then get butt fucked by Penn State and lose at home to Cockeye, is that really so much better than losing Raiola mid game at USC and losing that game, with everything else playing out the same?

I hear what you’re saying, but there are only 10 games of consequence on the schedule so each one has to be pretty important.

In your example, we can hypothesize that Nebraska would have won that game with DR. But seeing it would have been proof of concept. We would know that NU could beat a team of that caliber at home. As it is, we are just guessing.

One win or loss is consequential in all manner of ways in college football - whether you get a bowl, whether you win a conference, whether you get into a playoff etc.

It’s not always fair, but that’s the game.

 

[Mr.Bojangles]

Can we pause and consider the fact that the line between okay and failure is one game apparently?

If Raiola doesn’t get hurt and we beat USC, but then get butt fucked by Penn State and lose at home to Cockeye, is that really so much better than losing Raiola mid game at USC and losing that game, with everything else playing out the same?

Actually yeah it is one way we aren't 0-30 against ranked teams the other way we're at least 1-29. For God sakes even pathetic Wisconsin has 2 ranked wins in on season and we haven seen one since 2016.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Given the circumstances with Dylan out, 8-4 is a success. I think we’d already be there had he not gotten hurt against USC.

You went out and spent some real money on this team for this year. I can’t accept 7-6 if you lose to Cockeye and then lose your bowl game.

I’d understand exactly what the money people mean if we finish 7-6 after spending the money that we did.

 

[vailhusker]

8-4 is a success, 7-5 is a disappointment.

Curious how these last few games would’ve turned out with Dylan playing.

I don't think last night would have made much difference who the QB was. Raiola could have been better or he could have taken multiple sacks. It's not like this was a great offense before Raiola went down.

Penn St. is more talented and their coaches had them ready to play, NU is not and the coaches did not.

We'll have to wait and see how Friday goes and hopefully they will be able to scrape out a win.

 

[Mr.Bojangles]

Wow I didn’t realize how brutal wiscys schedule was. 4-7 would be optimistic for us with that schedule.

We'd actually probably be worse. Would you throw down money that Nebraska would be able to beat a ranked Washington team and a ranked Illinois team? You'd ne better off wiping your ass with the money.

 

[Alcaus]

I don't think last night would have made much difference who the QB was. Raiola could have been better or he could have taken multiple sacks. It's not like this was a great offense before Raiola went down.

Penn St. is more talented and their coaches had them ready to play, NU is not and the coaches did not.

We'll have to wait and see how Friday goes and hopefully they will be able to scrape out a win.

Agreed but I do think there is a difference in downfield passing game when TJ is starting. That said, our downfield game hasn’t really been good all season.

 

[Blakejc]

Bigger picture, when are we gonna quit being little bitches when teams punch us in the mouth?

 

[Irv]

Agreed but I do think there is a difference in downfield passing game when TJ is starting. That said, our downfield game hasn’t really been good all season.

It was kind of maddening to know that we’ve been unable to get guys open for anything downfield all year, and then listen to Blackledge point out that PSU was running max protect with 2 guys running routes, and they are wide open against our vaunted pass defense.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

Bigger picture, when are we gonna quit being little bitches when teams punch us in the mouth?

Maybe hoiberg can teach Rhule

 

[king_kong_]

Bigger picture, when are we gonna quit being little bitches when teams punch us in the mouth?

Soft coach soft team

We care much more about feelings than anything else

 

[HCFord1]

The goal is to win the games you play. If you want to introduce any other metric and play the what if game to celebrate your losses as improvement it's wishful thinking plain and simple.

What a strange reply to a post where I never introduced any other metric. I simply pointed out how thin the supposed line is between success and failure and posed the question of whether that’s logical.

I hear what you’re saying, but there are only 10 games of consequence on the schedule so each one has to be pretty important.

In your example, we can hypothesize that Nebraska would have won that game with DR. But seeing it would have been proof of concept. We would know that NU could beat a team of that caliber at home. As it is, we are just guessing.

One win or loss is consequential in all manner of ways in college football - whether you get a bowl, whether you win a conference, whether you get into a playoff etc.

It’s not always fair, but that’s the game.

I mean, sure a loss is always consequential, but does that mean that one loss (where you can point to a specific key injury as the cause) should be the determining factor for the success or failure of the entire season? Is that how you would evaluate anything else in the world?

Actually yeah it is one way we aren't 0-30 against ranked teams the other way we're at least 1-29. For God sakes even pathetic Wisconsin has 2 ranked wins in on season and we haven seen one since 2016.

You wanna trade teams with Wisconsin? You’re welcome to go cheer for them. Good lord you people need to get a grip.

 

[HCFord1]

Maybe hoiberg can teach Rhule

Some might say there’s a lesson to be learned in looking at Hoiberg’s tenure.

Wonder what it might be.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Maybe hoiberg can teach Rhule

Hoiberg and Bolt currently run better programs than Rhule

 

[Ext. 55]

A little hung over so this may be amazing or hot dog shit…

1. Wins has to be the primary metric for sure. And there are many additional metrics to take account of…culture changes (ours has been beta garbage for 15 years), and ability to adjust quickly.
2. Last night was embarrassing. It’s probably a good thing this is a short week. Dwelling on that performance will do nothing good.
3. Our Defensive line isn’t good. Shocking take I know and we need some Jimmys and Joes. Badly. It’s been discussed but we have our two DTs from last year, we are much better.
4. Our offensive line isn’t as bad as they are made out to be and have improved over the season…AND we need some serious Jimmys and Joes out of the portal here too.
5. Back to back bowl appearances IS improvement. After 8 years of no bowls, you can’t argue it.
6. I do believe 8-4 feels much different than 7-5. I don’t care who the wins and losses are. Finish 8-4 and win a bowl…9-4 looks solid and attractive to recruits…all those Jimmys and Joes.

We all know we have improved talent in many areas and we have significant gaps on DL, OL, and RB. Said it before and I’ll say it again…we can’t be great without top shelf offensive and defensive talent and line play.

It must be fixed this off season. Period.

 

[Irv]

I mean, sure a loss is always consequential, but does that mean that one loss (where you can point to a specific key injury as the cause) should be the determining factor for the success or failure of the entire season? Is that how you would evaluate anything else in the world?

I’m not convinced that 8-4 should be considered success, so I’m not exactly in the boat you’re describing. I think it’s probably neither success nor failure. It’s just blah.

But, yes, there are some situations in life that sit on the cusp of success and failure and can be pushed one way or the other.

One win wouldn’t make a difference at 4 wins or 10 wins. But in this case, we seem to be finding the pivot point between a season people can tolerate and one that will be very disappointing.

Ultimately this is a wins business and sometimes things will shift on one win.

 

[SlumpBuster]

One win wouldn’t make a difference at 4 wins or 10 wins. But in this case, we seem to be finding the pivot point between a season people can tolerate and one that will be very disappointing.

To build on this, 1 win only matters so much because we put ourselves in position for it to matter so much. Basically because of Minnesota really. If everything else happened the way it did but , Minnesota didn't happen it would feel better.

 

[nscottie]

I predicted we would go 7-5 before the season.

No, I do not think that is real progress/success.

Same

 

[Kaladin]

Need to get to 9 wins for it to be a success

 

[HCFord1]

One win wouldn’t make a difference at 4 wins or 10 wins. But in this case, we seem to be finding the pivot point between a season people can tolerate and one that will be very disappointing.

Ultimately this is a wins business and sometimes things will shift on one win.

Can you explain the reasoning behind this? I’m arguing that it’s illogical to take a binary view of the season in terms of success/failure based on the outcome of one game. Your counter argument seems to be that it’s just an emotional thing that specifically applies to us, but wouldn’t matter if we were winning less than we are now.

That makes no sense to me.

 

[Mr.Bojangles]

What a strange reply to a post where I never introduced any other metric. I simply pointed out how thin the supposed line is between success and failure and posed the question of whether that’s logical.

I mean, sure a loss is always consequential, but does that mean that one loss (where you can point to a specific key injury as the cause) should be the determining factor for the success or failure of the entire season? Is that how you would evaluate anything else in the world?

You wanna trade teams with Wisconsin? You’re welcome to go cheer for them. Good lord you people need to get a grip.

And I never said that either all I said is don't go throwing any money down against the two ranked teams they beat that's all I said.