how to we get the QBs to stop fumbling?

[Kaladin]

Cattle prod

 

[Dear_Leader]

Satts play calling does him no favors. He’s already decision strained but several drives consist of plays with a minimum 3 options and a man in motion. High probability of fumble.

 

[BorWhiskey]

Satts play calling does him no favors. He’s already decision strained but several drives consist of plays with a minimum 3 options and a man in motion. High probability of fumble.

That's not to HH's detriment IMO. HH isn't someone that can come off of a read well. I can't think of a single check down he's made. Which means he's a one-read QB. He may show reads from time to time but that's all part of the play and not actual progression. So, if I'm right, it's more valuable to give him more pass pro.

 

[Irv]

His running style does not help. The last couple of weeks he has started to slow down when he sees a defender, making himself a target and giving the defender extra time to rip the ball out.

 

[HerbRedman]

I think @Baron Winnebago hit the nail on the head - HH hasn't learned that it is smarter to go down sometimes rather than resist going down with all your will.

If you're interested in Rhule's strategy w HH you should listen to the entire Rhule press conference from yesterday's game. He explains what they're doing w HH in precise deal.

Cliffs notes version:

Rhule doesn't believe in coaching around "what if_____ happens" (worst case scenario). He believes in not coaching scared. He believes his team should "just play" and execute the plays they call. He believes good teams like Alabama etc "just play" and they don't play call around predicting bad outcomes.

On the HH getting shitrocked play....Rhule said it was a fine playcall, but HH needs to learn to throw the ball away and stop holding on to it so long (trying to make something happen). Said if it looks hard, Purdue's QB did it several times, so if they can do it, HH can do it.

Bottom line: Rhule isn't gonna be changing plays to avoid turnovers. He's going to keep calling for the same thing. HOWEVER my intuition tells me Satt may have had a light come on when they say Emmett Johnson have some success at the end of the game. I'm hoping that we see more conventional runs based on the fact that you can now have some trust with the OL & RB getting 5 yds on conventional run plays (which we haven't been able to playcall consistently since Ozigbo in 2018).

 

[Blakejc]

If you're interested in Rhule's strategy w HH you should listen to the entire Rhule press conference from yesterday's game. He explains what they're doing w HH in precise deal.

Cliffs notes version:

Rhule doesn't believe in coaching around "what if_____ happens" (worst case scenario). He believes in not coaching scared. He believes his team should "just play" and execute the plays they call. He believes good teams like Alabama etc "just play" and they don't play call around predicting bad outcomes.

On the HH getting shitrocked play....Rhule said it was a fine playcall, but HH needs to learn to throw the ball away and stop holding on to it so long (trying to make something happen). Said if it looks hard, Purdouche's QB did it several times, so if they can do it, HH can do it.

Bottom line: Rhule isn't gonna be changing plays to avoid turnovers. He's going to keep calling for the same thing. HOWEVER my intuition tells me Satt may have had a light come on when they say Emmett Johnson have some success at the end of the game. I'm hoping that we see more conventional runs based on the fact that you can now have some trust with the OL & RB getting 5 yds on conventional run plays (which we haven't been able to playcall consistently since Ozigbo in 2018).

That’s a dumb argument by Rhule. Calling your QBs number right after he gets rocked is not putting your team in the best position to win. I don’t care if it’s the perfect down and distance for that play.

 

[whoboppin]

HH needs to start sliding if he’s just gonna stop running at the end of plays, ends up getting rocked like 3-5 times a game. Finish your runs or take advantage of being a QB and slide.

 

[HerbRedman]

That’s a dumb argument by Rhule. Calling your QBs number right after he gets rocked is not putting your team in the best position to win. I don’t care if it’s the perfect down and distance for that play.

I agree. Completely stupid.

I'd be shocked if we didn't see a lot of playcalls for conventional run plays for EJ vs MSU. The problem with that though is MSU knows HH isn't a great passer so they'll load up 8 in the box and there won't really be any room for EJ up the middle plays. So we'll get into a bunch of 3 & outs if we do that.

We really need HH to be able to be accurate on 10-20 yd pass plays, which he isn't now. That's why we're having to do so many HH run plays (bc of the RB up the middle is completely clogged up),

 

[Jim14510]

Sims is mentally gone.

He's broken

 

[Blakejc]

I agree. Completely stupid.

I'd be shocked if we didn't see a lot of playcalls for conventional run plays for EJ vs MSU. The problem with that though is MSU knows HH isn't a great passer so they'll load up 8 in the box and there won't really be any room for EJ up the middle plays. So we'll get into a bunch of 3 & outs if we do that.

We really need HH to be able to be accurate on 10-20 yd pass plays, which he isn't now. That's why we're having to do so many HH run plays (bc of the RB up the middle is completely clogged up),

The emergence of a deep threat the past two weeks should help that. Hopefully we see more TE over the middle, too.

The playcalling on the 15 play drive was great. Lots of stuff to the outside, getting dudes in space. Mixing it up with some nice runs by EJ.

 

[Frogsker30]

Glue

 

[Steveweiser316]

His running style does not help. The last couple of weeks he has started to slow down when he sees a defender, making himself a target and giving the defender extra time to rip the ball out.

Reminds me of T-Magic

 

[HerbRedman]

His running style does not help. The last couple of weeks he has started to slow down when he sees a defender, making himself a target and giving the defender extra time to rip the ball out.

I think it also doesn't help that Satterfield apparently has zero experience coaching an option QB. TBF the vast majority of OCs in FBS don't have this experience either.

But HH runs like his OC is giving him no coaching on how to run (bc Satt has no idea). Thank God we have Ron Brown here honestly.

 

[skersker]

Reminds me of T-Magic

He runs literally nothing like Taylor

 

[Jim14510]

Maybe threaten to cut off a finger for every fumble. Can probably do without a pinky.

 

[EwokRhuler]

Haarberg leads the country in fumbles despite not taking the starting role until game 3:

Our two starting QBs this season have combined for 12 in 8 games.

To put this in perspective, Adrain Martinez' worst season for fumbling was his freshman year in 2018. He had 12 in 11 games. He had 7-8 a year for his other three seasons.

How do we get this under control? I ask because I really don't know.

Tasers on ballsacks. You drop the rock, your cock gets shocked.

In all seriousness, I think it's just the shit we have to deal with this year and pray our defense can keep it up.

 

[LoudHogRider]

Glue

Or take a tip from Fred Biletnekoff: stickum!

 

[Steveweiser316]

He runs literally nothing like Taylor

I’m talking about the way he essentially stops when he’s about to get hit.

 

[betsch]

Let the RUNNING backs, you know, run.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

Haarberg leads the country in fumbles despite not taking the starting role until game 3:

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Our two starting QBs this season have combined for 12 in 8 games.

To put this in perspective, Adrain Martinez' worst season for fumbling was his freshman year in 2018. He had 12 in 11 games. He had 7-8 a year for his other three seasons.

How do we get this under control? I ask because I really don't know.

just accept it and embrace it, brother. fumbling is who we are.