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Breaking Dana Holgerson Joins NU Staff As Consultant - “Role Will Evolve As Season Goes On”

Agree.

New RB would be a nice little bonus.
I really don't understand why people rate Barthel's grade higher than McGuire. To me they've both had bad years.

I was a big Barthel fan at the outset but I struggle to point any successes he's had this year. Dowdell hasn't ran great - he's missed a ton of potential big plays by taking the wrong angle. Emmett Johnson has been worse this year. Rahmir has been a non-factor. And Ervin is hitting the portal I assume.

Plus, Barthel hasn't bagged a big RB HS recruit yet. McGuire at least has Jacory Barney he recruited. Barthel doesn't have the equivalent to point to. Plus, people thought McGuire did a good job with Malachi Coleman and Jalen Lloyd in 2023.

My guess would be Holgorsen would want to replace both Barthel and McGuire, TBH.
 
I really don't understand why people rate Barthel's grade higher than McGuire. To me they've both had bad years.

I was a big Barthel fan at the outset but I struggle to point any successes he's had this year. Dowdell hasn't ran great - he's missed a ton of potential big plays by taking the wrong angle. Emmett Johnson has been worse this year. Rahmir has been a non-factor. And Ervin is hitting the portal I assume.

Plus, Barthel hasn't bagged a big RB HS recruit yet. McGuire at least has Jacory Barney he recruited. Barthel doesn't have the equivalent to point to. Plus, people thought McGuire did a good job with Malachi Coleman and Jalen Lloyd in 2023.

My guess would be Holgorsen would want to replace both Barthel and McGuire, TBH.
Yeah Barthel came in as a high-ceiling hire because he had coached that really good RB at UConn and had been Recruiting Coordinator at PSU. Best of both worlds!

Thus far he hasn’t shown me anything really in coaching OR recruiting.
 
Yeah Barthel came in as a high-ceiling hire because he had coached that really good RB at UConn and had been Recruiting Coordinator at PSU. Best of both worlds!

Thus far he hasn’t shown me anything really in coaching OR recruiting.
I look at it differently than most. I look at the RB-WR position coach spots as 80% recruiter. Like, you BETTER be delivering top level recruits if you're in one of those spots. Look at Mickey Joseph's success at LSU - the reason he was an elite WR coach was he recruited elite talent to LSU. It's not because he discovered a "magic" technique that no other WR coach knows about.

McGuire's got a very high ceiling as a recruiter IMHO. He's got big Texas HS ties that will serve him well. And he's already scored an elite recruit in Barney.

I just haven't seen it yet with Barthel. Because he doesn't have any natural recruiting ties to TX-LA-GA-FL....and that's are main target recruiting region.
 
I really don't understand why people rate Barthel's grade higher than McGuire. To me they've both had bad years.

I was a big Barthel fan at the outset but I struggle to point any successes he's had this year. Dowdell hasn't ran great - he's missed a ton of potential big plays by taking the wrong angle. Emmett Johnson has been worse this year. Rahmir has been a non-factor. And Ervin is hitting the portal I assume.

Plus, Barthel hasn't bagged a big RB HS recruit yet. McGuire at least has Jacory Barney he recruited. Barthel doesn't have the equivalent to point to. Plus, people thought McGuire did a good job with Malachi Coleman and Jalen Lloyd in 2023.

My guess would be Holgorsen would want to replace both Barthel and McGuire, TBH.
Yeah Barthel came in as a high-ceiling hire because he had coached that really good RB at UConn and had been Recruiting Coordinator at PSU. Best of both worlds!

Thus far he hasn’t shown me anything really in coaching OR recruiting.
If I was going to devil's advocate this, Dowdell was a 4th string guy at Oregon last year, and is doing well enough to mostly take the top job here now.

Rahmir is the same guy he's been his whole career.

EJ I don't remember clearly enough last year to compare how he looks.

IIRC, we lost our biggest RB recruit for NIL reasons, so hard to put that entirely on him.

I haven't seen anything amazing from him yet, but he's a jury's still out guy to me.
 
If I was going to devil's advocate this, Dowdell was a 4th string guy at Oregon last year, and is doing well enough to mostly take the top job here now.
That's misleading though. 4th string RB at Oregon is like backup on the Globetrotters - everyone they have is good. Dowdell was a 4* RB out of HS. Rivals had him as the 6th best RB in the country his SR yr!

If anything, Barthel has Dowdell UNDERperforming his potential. Dowdell was an elite, elite recruit. He didn't leave Oregon bc he wasn't good...he left bc they just have too many damn blue chips. Every MF there is a high 4* just like Dowdell. Barthel doesn't get credit for breathing new life into DD - the dude was an elite recruit.

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Saw this posted on TOS. Looks like Dana is officially an "analyst" now and not a "consultant" or whatever.


I checked a couple of other minor staff people like Josh Bringuel, who is "defensive quality control". That quality control title is also in the directory. So "analyst" isn't just a coverall title for any rando they bring in to the program.

Also notable is Phil Snow, or Phillip Snow, or any other Snow that could be associated with the football program is not in the directory.
 
Saw this posted on TOS. Looks like Dana is officially an "analyst" now and not a "consultant" or whatever.


I checked a couple of other minor staff people like Josh Bringuel, who is "defensive quality control". That quality control title is also in the directory. So "analyst" isn't just a coverall title for any rando they bring in to the program.

Also notable is Phil Snow, or Phillip Snow, or any other Snow that could be associated with the football program is not in the directory.
That means we could absolutely see him in the booth.
 
We should just stop fucking around with it and make the change.
I’m of the opinion that it’s already happened and this is an agreed upon off-ramp/onramp. Which I frankly couldn’t care less about if my suspicion is correct as firing Satt does nothing other than placate a portion of the base. His family left Lincoln. Regardless of the reason it makes it all the more plausible that he’s done here after the regular season. Dana gets us to a bowl game and I would suspect that that is when the official change is made.
 
I’m of the opinion that it’s already happened and this is an agreed upon off-ramp/onramp. Which I frankly couldn’t care less about if my suspicion is correct as firing Satt does nothing other than placate a portion of the base. His family left Lincoln. Regardless of the reason it makes it all the more plausible that he’s done here after the regular season. Dana gets us to a bowl game and I would suspect that that is when the official change is made.

That's where I'm at with it too. Honestly, it seems like every report on every site essentially wants to say Dana will be calling the plays, but maybe feels embargoed from saying so or something. Maybe they don't want to spill the beans if Rhule wants to keep it quiet either out of respect for Satt or to keep some schematic advantage by not tipping the opponents off all the way. Sort of like waiting until absolutely necessary to say whether a player is out or not on the injury report. Let the other team spin their wheels trying to scheme for the unknown.

If so, to put it another way, Oklahoma, Utah, Florida State, Purdoodoo, and Southern Miss have all fired their OC and elevated someone else already in the program to take over. UCF also had Malzahn relinquish playcalling duties. Nebraska, if an OC change has happened, is the only one so far to not just make a change, but go ahead and hire one of the best playcallers available in the country to come in and take over mid season and that's with Glenn Thomas already on staff. To me, that is the exact opposite of "fucking around". That's pretty much unprecedented anywhere.
 

It's too expensive to fire most head coaches, so the coordinator market is about to go crazy​

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by:Andy Staples•about 4 hours•
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The 186-word e-mail popped in Sunday while most of the football-loving world focused on the NFL. Florida State, fresh off a 52-3 pasting at Notre Dame and crawling toward the finish line at 1-9, had fired coordinators Alex Atkins and Adam Fuller along with receivers coach Ron Dugans.

Who will direct the Seminoles on the field for their final two games against Charleston Southern and Florida? Who cares? The masses demanded a sacrifice, and they weren’t going to get head coach Mike Norvell because of a massive buyout. So the coordinators had to go.


Expect this to be the template for the next few weeks as teams close disappointing seasons but have head coaches whose buyouts make them too expensive to fire. The over/under on power conference job openings because of firings/forced retirements is two. The coordinator market, however, is going to be wild.

Oklahoma needs an OC. Oklahoma State may need one soon. Florida State needs both coordinators. The conditions for Billy Napier’s return at Florida may include a requirement to hire a playcalling OC (in place of Napier calling the offense) and to replace the DC. They’re unhappy with the offenses at Nebraska and Georgia. If LSU loses another game (or two), Brian Kelly can’t be fired, but a sacrifice may be sought. Michigan’s roster issues can be traced back to the timing of Jim Harbaugh’s departure, but does that mean first-year head coach Sherrone Moore is satisfied with the way the offense has been run?

As Kelly showed at Notre Dame when he replaced both coordinators and his strength coach following a disastrous 2016 season, a team can be reshaped without firing the head coach. Quite a few teams will attempt that this offseason. The most dramatic attempt may be in Tallahassee, where Norvell dropped the ax on Atkins and Fuller on Sunday.

It’s a stunning fall from less than a year ago when Florida State was headed toward a 13-0 record and an ACC title. Atkins was interviewing for head coach jobs and Fuller was fielding other DC interest that ultimately got him a new contract. Meanwhile, that success got Norvell on Alabama’s short list in case Nick Saban retired. When Saban (represented by agent Jimmy Sexton) did retire in January, Norvell (represented by Sexton) received an eight-year, $84 million extension from Florida State. While Norvell was on Alabama athletic director Greg Byrne’s list, it’s unclear whether he was seriously engaged in talks with Alabama before Byrne ultimately hired Kalen DeBoer (represented by Sexton) from Washington.

That deal has a liquidated damages — lawyer speak for buyout — clause that requires Florida State to pay 85 percent of Norvell’s remaining salary should he be fired without cause. So Florida State would owe Norvell about $63 million if it fired him after this season.

In other words, Norvell isn’t going anywhere.

Neither is Oklahoma’s Brent Venables, who received a wholly unnecessary — because no one was trying to hire him — extension this offseason that pushed his buyout to about $44.8 million. OC Seth Litrell was sacrificed following the South Carolina game.

LSU fans were leery of Kelly after the Tigers wasted a historic offensive season in 2023 by fielding perhaps the worst defense in school history, but Kelly still had turned in two double-digit win seasons. Now that LSU is out of the College Football Playoff picture after getting embarrassed by Alabama at home, the fanbase is positively livid. But Kelly is quite safe thanks to a buyout that would cost about $61 million. Kelly wiped out the defensive staff after last season, but would he make changes on the other side of the ball if this season goes further south?

Texas A&M set the buyout record last year when it paid $76 million to buy out Jimbo Fisher. But the second-highest figure remains the $20.5 million Auburn paid to fire Gus Malzahn following the 2020 season. Texas A&M probably didn’t start a trend; it likely will remain the outlier. Last week, Florida announced Napier’s return in part because of a reluctance to pay a $26 million-plus buyout that would have become the new No. 2 on the list.

With schools starting to share revenue — up to $22 million next year — with athletes because of the House v. NCAA settlement, athletic departments already were slashing budgets in other areas. Taking on another massive expense, particularly one with high, up-front cash costs like a football head-coaching change, isn’t appealing right now.

So don’t expect a busy head-coaching market this offseason. (Expect a wild one after the 2025 season, though.) Do expect a frantic coordinator market. And don’t be surprised if some coaches who would have tried to land head-coaching jobs this offseason take coordinator jobs. It’s not an accident that former West Virginia and Houston coach Dana Holgorsen has signed on with Nebraska as an offensive consultant. Holgorsen could wind up a candidate if Nebraska makes a change. He also might be appealing at Oklahoma or anywhere else that wants an experienced play caller.

Also, watch the Group of 5. There could be more head coach-to-power conference-coordinator moves like the one that took Kane Wommack from South Alabama head coach to Alabama defensive coordinator. Let’s say a power conference team really wants an experienced offensive mind. Would they try to lure Jason Candle from Toledo or Tom Herman from Florida Atlantic by offering to double the salary the G5 team pays the head coach? It’s entirely possible.

With buyouts this high, changing head coaches is cost prohibitive. But a team can be remade by replacing one or both coordinators. So get ready for the sports to play a massive game of coordinator musical chairs.
 

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