Breaking Coaching search not going well

[Baron Winnebago]

Maybe we don't fuck around with proteges and just go hire the man himself. Imo

 

[kevost]

Is it? They'll probably end up 3rd in the Big 12.

I'll give you that or they could lose out. 10-10 at Texas right now. When I said underwhelming I could have said average, would that be fair?

 

[kevost]

I'm with you. Tucker wasn't a Saban rehab guy either. At least with Kiffin and Sark you knew you were going to get scheme benefits (and Kiffin also had a prove it period at FAU). Locksley you knew you would get recruiting. I couldn't really tell you what exactly we'd get from BoB. Either way, I don't really buy the idea that freebasing Saban's aura fixes your coaching downfalls.

I'm with ya. Tucker did spend 2015 at Bama though.

2015	Alabama (AHC/DB)

 

[Jim14510]

I'll give you that or they could lose out. 10-10 at Texas right now. When I said underwhelming I could have said average, would that be fair?

We'll see. I'm pretty impressed with Texas this year. Yes if they lose out it's a different story but I think they're trending up as they move into the SEC. Unlike Oklahoma.

They still suck horse cock but it's a pretty good team.

 

[Husker_in_OK]

Heard a few weeks ago Turd was in talks with O’Brien. Pretty solid source said “he wants guaranteed money.” It didn’t make much sense at the time but it’s all adding up with the things that are coming out now

If Nebraska really is wanting to do some sort of "pay for performance" contract with their next coach, my question is WHO in their right fucking mind would sign up for that ? With all the roster flipping that needs to be done it's conceivable that the next coach could be grossly underpaid the first couple years of their contract. .. With all the competition out there for coaches and other schools offering guaranteed money for top tier coaches, this is backwards thinking .. which is SO Nebraska. I hope more common sense is put into this or we're going to be fucked.

 

[MtnHusker]

If Nebraska really is wanting to do some sort of "pay for performance" contract with their next coach, my question is WHO in their right fucking mind would sign up for that ? With all the roster flipping that needs to be done it's conceivable that the next coach could be grossly underpaid the first couple years of their contract. .. With all the competition out there for coaches and other schools offering guaranteed money for top tier coaches, this is backwards thinking .. which is SO Nebraska. I hope more common sense is put into this or we're going to be fucked.

Rhule. He supposedly was willing to come for a low base incentive laden contract last season when everyone figured Frost was getting canned. He has like $40 million guaranteed by Carolina. Lets back end load that contract with incentives. I think even our overly conservative old fashioned fans would like him after a couple press conferences. Good guy who is a good public speaker. Plus he is religious and still very close with his parents who are Ministers so doubt we have to worry about all of the Off Field Shenanigans like we had with Frost.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

Rhule. He supposedly was willing to come for a low base incentive laden contract last season when everyone figured Frost was getting canned. He has like $40 million guaranteed by Carolina. Lets back end load that contract with incentives. I think even our overly conservative old fashioned fans would like him after a couple press conferences. Good guy who is a good public speaker. Plus he is religious and still very close with his parents who are Ministers so doubt we have to worry about all of the Off Field Shenanigans like we had with Frost.

Rhule would be a HR

 

[tman87]

If Nebraska really is wanting to do some sort of "pay for performance" contract with their next coach, my question is WHO in their right fucking mind would sign up for that ? With all the roster flipping that needs to be done it's conceivable that the next coach could be grossly underpaid the first couple years of their contract. .. With all the competition out there for coaches and other schools offering guaranteed money for top tier coaches, this is backwards thinking .. which is SO Nebraska. I hope more common sense is put into this or we're going to be fucked.

Yeah, this idea of lower base salary but very high incentives, will scare off most any candidate we would want. IF this is how we are making offers, or telling coaching candidates, that's the type of conctract we are going to offer, I think we either end up with Mickey or a guy that most of us don't really want. Just a bass-ackwards way of going about all of this IMHO.

I also don't want to throw 8 to 10 mil at a guy like a Mel Tucker with a low buyout (guaranteed money, basically). We need to be offering 8 to 10 mil to true top candidates, with another 5 to 7 mil for their assistant/coordinator pool. That is, if we are really serious about becoming a big boy program again. It is trending that we are either missing out on the true top level coaches we could possibly have a chance at, and settling for a middling or worse guy at a lower salary. Makes no sense business wise to go cheap on coaching with all the resources, NIL, boosters and extremely strong fan backing we have. Plus new facilities in the works.

I really hope this smoke about offering lower $ contracts or contracts where a coach gets paid better than average only if he hits high level incentives, is just that - smoke and not reality. I remain skeptical at this point that we are handing this correctly. Decades of piss poor coaching hires and terrible AD and TC driven handling of all this has really wrecked this program.

 

[djw004]

I think it's a near certainty that the hire will disappoint. Burn it down, go FCS, whatever. Turd out here playing cheap.

I joked at the start of this whole thing that maybe we are coming full circle - Turd turned UNO D1. He will turn the other large state athletic program D2, and then go BACK to his first love, UNO, THEE D1 school in Nebraska

Phuck.

 

[HerbRedman]

I'm with you. Tucker wasn't a Saban rehab guy either. At least with Kiffin and Sark you knew you were going to get scheme benefits (and Kiffin also had a prove it period at FAU). Locksley you knew you would get recruiting. I couldn't really tell you what exactly we'd get from BoB. Either way, I don't really buy the idea that freebasing Saban's aura fixes your coaching downfalls.

I think this is all 100% true.

My point was that all of those guys were branded as "Saban guys". But Bill O'Brien doesn't seem to be getting that label for some bizarre reason.

When we played Colorado in 2019 the only thing I knew about Mel Tucker was that he was a "Nick Saban disciple." Literally did not hear a single thing about Mel Tucker that off-season other than how awesome Saban was and how Tucker was going to bring everything that Saban does and implement it at Colorado. I could not have told you anything else about Tucker other than the Saban stuff.

I just find it odd that all these guys are" Saban guys"...but no one says that about Bill O'Brien. I mean, BOB was there longer than Tucker. BOB doesn't seem to be tied to Saban in people's minds, but every single one of those other guys were. It's just an observation.

 

[MtnHusker]

Rhule would be a HR

I agree. At first I smirked at the thought of hiring him but them decided I needed to do some research. I think back to raising my daughter where I would ask her to take a bite of the food with an open mind before she decided she didn't like it. If she didn't like it after 1 bite I would make her something else.

Well I hadn't given Rhule that same courtesy. After reading many articles and watching a variety of his press conferences & interviews I came away quite impressed. I think he would be a great coach for us plus would mesh well with our fanbase and win over some of our pompous entitled problem boosters that have been a problem for our program over the years. His parents are Missionaries and his dad has been involved with his past teams. Seems like someone who eats, sleeps & drinks football. Plus he has a history of recruiting under-rated players and developing them. I believe one of his classes at Temple had 4 players drafted, and appears his former players are still close with him.

Family values, religious, proven winner taking over problem situations and a personality that could unite our fanbase and boosters. Plus he has big money coming in from Carolina for a few years. That's a Win Win for me.

 

[Jim14510]

Rhule. He supposedly was willing to come for a low base incentive laden contract last season when everyone figured Frost was getting canned. He has like $40 million guaranteed by Carolina. Lets back end load that contract with incentives. I think even our overly conservative old fashioned fans would like him after a couple press conferences. Good guy who is a good public speaker. Plus he is religious and still very close with his parents who are Ministers so doubt we have to worry about all of the Off Field Shenanigans like we had with Frost.

Wonder if Rhule's 40 mil is only offset by base salary or if we'd just have to wait 4 years to pay him the bonuses. Probably have to wait the 4 years to pay him but either way works.

 

[MtnHusker]

Wonder if Rhule's 40 mil is only offset by base salary or if we'd just have to wait 4 years to pay him the bonuses. Probably have to wait the 4 years to pay him but either way works.

Good question. Not sure what protocol in the football world is for something like that or how the contracts were written. Should be able to get creative with the contract to make it appealing to him if he wants to coach this coming season. We have money so give him something like a Base Salary of $4 mill/year as he is currently getting something like $8 mill/year from Carolina. Carolina getting $4 Mill back for each remaining year. Then make it heavily incentive laden. I'm sure our fans even some of our old fashioned fans would have no issue if we were paying him $10 mill/year if he won us a conference championship. Give him a big Asst Coach Pool.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

I think this is all 100% true.

My point was that all of those guys were branded as "Saban guys". But Bill O'Brien doesn't seem to be getting that label for some bizarre reason.

When we played Colorado in 2019 the only thing I knew about Mel Tucker was that he was a "Nick Saban disciple." Literally did not hear a single thing about Mel Tucker that off-season other than how awesome Saban was and how Tucker was going to bring everything that Saban does and implement it at Colorado. I could not have told you anything else about Tucker other than the Saban stuff.

I just find it odd that all these guys are" Saban guys"...but no one says that about Bill O'Brien. I mean, BOB was there longer than Tucker. BOB doesn't seem to be tied to Saban in people's minds, but every single one of those other guys were. It's just an observation.

If anything, I think that shows you have much bullshit there is with the whole Saban talk. Tucker was with Saban at LSU for 1 year in 2000 and then 1 year in 2015. Had 19 years of top level P5 and NFL experience as a position coach or DC.

 

[Irv]

Wonder if Rhule's 40 mil is only offset by base salary or if we'd just have to wait 4 years to pay him the bonuses. Probably have to wait the 4 years to pay him but either way works.

Not hard to come up with some incentives that it would easily take 4 years for this program to achieve in its current state.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Wonder if Rhule's 40 mil is only offset by base salary or if we'd just have to wait 4 years to pay him the bonuses. Probably have to wait the 4 years to pay him but either way works.

Yes....This is the reason why I think he would go to Bama to work with Saban or TV.

I am sure there is a way around it, but the only way I thought was if you backloaded it, but that would be a heavy liability to carry if it doesn't work.

 

[djw004]

I’ve always been one to believe Turd does as he is told. Money runs the AD.

Just a feeling - but I'd say the exact opposite. I think he's built up some capital to run how he wants.

From being told he can't fire Frost last year, but turning that into a trigger date and a reconstruction of his deal, that alone tells me that Turd attaches his wishes to the wishes of the money. He earned a lot of leverage in his handling of the Frost debacle in my estimation.

This is the first AD I've seen chip away at the stranglehold that the boosters of Nebraska have on running a shitty program. I will believe the best until I see otherwise.

If we end up with a 2 million dollar coach that is ACTUALLY a 2 million dollar coach - incentives or not - we fucking riot, though.

 

[Skerz4Life50]

So, the new rumor is that we still have no idea who Turd's top candidates for the hire are because of how tight he is keeping the search, but whoever they are, we are getting information that we are not going to offer top notch money and only incentive based contracts? Not sure how the financials are somehow being released, without any true knowledge of who the legit candidates are. If there were supposed leaks from a potential candidate about the financials, wouldn't it be much easier to know who we were actually targeting?

 

[That SOB Van Owen]

So, the new rumor is that we still have no idea who Turd's top candidates for the hire are because of how tight he is keeping the search, but whoever they are, we are getting information that we are not going to offer top notch money and only incentive based contracts? Not sure how the financials are somehow being released, without any true knowledge of who the legit candidates are. If there were supposed leaks from a potential candidate about the financials, wouldn't it be much easier to know who we were actually targeting?

Because we’re Nebraska and we always fuck these things up so of course we will again.

 

[Steveweiser316]

Matt Campbell is basically Mike Riley of the Midwest.

• He is 5-18 in games where the spread is less than 4
• He is 1-7 vs Cockeye
• His last 9 losses have been by 1 score
• He said about not achieving his goals of winning the conference that, "winning the conference wasn't my goal." "my goal was to be the most together team in ISU history."
  • Could you imagine if Nebraska had a preseason top 10 team. A couple of preseason All Americans on it. Then we lose to Minnesota, are eliminated from the B1G west and our coach says....."well at least we were together"

If that turns you on then I don't know what to tell you.

Your despise for Campbell is only rivaled by @BIG TONE SOPRANO ‘s hate for Frost