Childress - Director of Player Development

[...TrueColors...]

I'll rephrase...

Frost is on track to miss out on nearly all of the ranked in-state talent in 2022. It doesn't appear he's doing anything differently to change that in 2023 and beyond.

Agreed we’re gonna miss on some in-state talent that hurts. Especially the Jackson kid.

I’m not sure why you say that it doesn’t look like we will change that in 2023. We’ve hosted Maverick Noonan multiple times, we’ve got the top TE in the state committed, the top OL committed, and I’ll bet by Thanksgiving that Sam Sledge has an offer and he commits shortly afterwards.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

Agreed we’re gonna miss on some in-state talent that hurts. Especially the Jackson kid.

I’m not sure why you say that it doesn’t look like we will change that in 2023. We’ve hosted Maverick Noonan multiple times, we’ve got the top TE in the state committed, the top OL committed, and I’ll bet by Thanksgiving that Sam Sledge has an offer and he commits shortly afterwards.

Nobody hopes you're right more than me. I guess I'm basing it more on Frost's recent history of in-state misses (Top 4 from 2022, Avente Dickerson and legacy Keagan Johnson in 2021, Xavier Watts in 2020) and a troubling recent trend of not garnering a shred of interest from top level in-state talent.

Looking back to 2018 and 2019, we were getting everyone we wanted in-state. 2019, including Nouili who transferred back, Frost went 6 for 6. 2020 - 3 for 12 (albeit, we didn't go after most of these kids very hard). 2021 5 for 14 with two big misses. 2022 - 2 for 10 with 4 big misses. I thought HCSF said we were going to lock down the borders?

"There's too many kids from this state right now playing at other schools and we are going to do everything we can to make sure that those kids are here.” - HCSF 12/3/17

 

[...TrueColors...]

Nobody hopes you're right more than me. I guess I'm basing it more on Frost's recent history of in-state misses (Top 4 from 2022, Avente Dickerson and legacy Keagan Johnson in 2021, Xavier Watts in 2020) and a troubling recent trend of not garnering a shred of interest from top level in-state talent.

Looking back to 2018 and 2019, we were getting everyone we wanted in-state. 2019, including Nouili who transferred back, Frost went 6 for 6. 2020 - 3 for 12 (albeit, we didn't go after most of these kids very hard). 2021 5 for 14 with two big misses. 2022 - 2 for 10 with 4 big misses. I thought HCSF said we were going to lock down the borders?

"There's too many kids from this state right now playing at other schools and we are going to do everything we can to make sure that those kids are here.” - HCSF 12/3/17

Now I’m seeing what you’re saying and why you’re saying it more. My take is that it’s really not a recruiting failure and before you laugh at me, please let me explain why I say this. We both agree it’s unacceptable. I think we may differ on what’s to blame though

There’s nothing we’ve done wrong recruiting the state as far as process goes. The effort is there and those kids are priorities.

Why are we not signing these kids then? It all comes back to the fact that we have to win games. If Frost was 20-12 or 22-10 does Johnson or Dickerson go anywhere else? Are we bigger players for Helms, Riley, Woods, and Jackson? Duh.

All that being said, we need this season to start because there are a million valid questions to ask that we simply won’t get answered until kickoff in the fall.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

Now I’m seeing what you’re saying and why you’re saying it more. My take is that it’s really not a recruiting failure and before you laugh at me, please let me explain why I say this. We both agree it’s unacceptable. I think we may differ on what’s to blame though

There’s nothing we’ve done wrong recruiting the state as far as process goes. The effort is there and those kids are priorities.

Why are we not signing these kids then? It all comes back to the fact that we have to win games. If Frost was 20-12 or 22-10 does Johnson or Dickerson go anywhere else? Are we bigger players for Helms, Riley, Woods, and Jackson? Duh.

All that being said, we need this season to start because there are a million valid questions to ask that we simply won’t get answered until kickoff in the fall.

Agreed.

I knew we could logically and reasonably get to the same place on this... this isn't the RRS scrolls.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Agreed.

I knew we could logically and reasonably get to the same place on this... this isn't the RRS scrolls.

I don’t ever mean to come off as gruff or dismissive. I truly don’t. But it’s simply tiring talking about things right now that can all come back to the exact same conclusion; which is “Win games.”

Many points are valid and many questions that need answered are fair. The problem is we are about 6 weeks away from getting those answers.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

I don’t ever mean to come off as gruff or dismissive. I truly don’t. But it’s simply tiring talking about things right now that can all come back to the exact same conclusion; which is “Win games.”

Many points are valid and many questions that need answered are fair. The problem is we are about 6 weeks away from getting those answers.

with ya. i'm frustrated by all of the trickle down that comes with people (me included) questioning everything around the program due to lack of W's. Winning games is the only thing that matters and we'll start getting answers on that in less than two months.

 

[...TrueColors...]

with ya. i'm frustrated by all of the trickle down that comes with people (me included) questioning everything around the program due to lack of W's. Winning games is the only thing that matters and we'll start getting answers on that in less than two months.

Im tired of people thinking they’re bringing something original to a conversation when they say “We have to win.” It’s basically the same as me saying “It all starts up front” and acting like I came up with truly original material.

 

[LoudHogRider]

Im tired of people thinking they’re bringing something original to a conversation when they say “We have to win.” It’s basically the same as me saying “It all starts up front” and acting like I came up with truly original material.

Thou shall not disrespect the hogmollies!

Yea, we need the offseason over at this point. Media days, camp, practice (and the annual cycle of non-contact injuries that lead to scorching hawt takes) are near-term things to chat about, but let the season unfold and see where it takes us. I'll cheer - as always - for the lads in scarlet and cream, albeit with tempered expectations these day. GBR.

 

[Daddy]

Agreed.

I knew we could logically and reasonably get to the same place on this... this isn't the RRS scrolls.

Nice work gentlemen. It's getting a little dusty in here with all this bromance in the air

 

[BIG TONE SOPRANO]

I think comparing the progress made by 3 coaches of the 3 biggest sports at our school that were hired around the same time is perfectly normal.

This is amazing

 

[BIG TONE SOPRANO]

>something good happens
>TAKE THAT FROST

Yeah, totally normal line of thought

Sorry Frost. You suck and we are going to let you know it 24/7

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

Sorry Frost. You suck and we are going to let you know it 24/7

Easy Tone. We had it figured out before you started dropping Grachek Bombs.

 

[NEHusker54]

This is amazing

Tone if you had a microscope you couldn’t find how little I give a shit about your opinion

 

[Cash68847]

You are missing my point. The level of talent Erstad missed and didn’t even try to sign in his tenure dwarfs all of the football talent the state has produced this millennium. Frost would have to miss on a full class like the 2022 one the next 5 years in a row to be even close to where Erstad was.

My buddies nephew who is from Nebraska ended up going to Kentucky because Erstad didn’t show him much love. He just got drafted in the 10th round.

 

[...TrueColors...]

My buddies nephew who is from Nebraska ended up going to Kentucky because Erstad didn’t show him much love. He just got drafted in the 10th round.

The list of elite talent Erstad neglected is endless.

 

[Cash68847]

The list of elite talent Erstad neglected is endless.

Hopefully Bolt hits the kid up. He isn’t happy at Kentucky.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Hopefully Bolt hits the kid up. He isn’t happy at Kentucky.

You’d think a kid who just got picked in the tenth round would just go pro

 

[Cash68847]

You’d think a kid who just got picked in the tenth round would just go pro

I asked my buddy. He didn’t know for sure. How much money does a 10th round pick generally get?

 

[Kaladin]

Hopefully Bolt hits the kid up. He isn’t happy at Kentucky.

all american too

we could definitely use him

 

[Cash68847]

all american too

we could definitely use him

He told me Arkansas wants him. I said tell him to come home. He can play multiple positions and is a solid hitter.