CFB Expansion Talk

[Elquesogrande68]

B1G had better grab KU, KSU and ISU and bolster its BBall power base. ISU and KSU have some recent success in Football. I would actually like to see ISU and IA become a conference game and watch the cyclones kick their arse. Cincinnati to make it even?
Other than to grab CU I don’t see another play. On he east coast maybe Virginia but I don’t see that buying any TV market.


Warren is asleep at the wheel....again.
B1G west:
NU
ISU
IA
NU
KSU
KU
MN
WI
NW

B1G east
IL
PUR
IN
MI
MSU
PSU
MD
RUT
CIN ??

 

[Cash68847]

B1G had better grab KU, KSU and ISU and bolster its BBall power base. ISU and KSU have some recent success in Football. I would actually like to see ISU and IA become a conference game and watch the cyclones kick their arse. Cincinnati to make it even?
Other than to grab CU I don’t see another play. On he east coast maybe Virginia but I don’t see that buying any TV market.


Warren is asleep at the wheel....again.
B1G west:
NU
ISU
IA
NU
KSU
KU
MN
WI
NW

B1G east
IL
PUR
IN
MI
MSU
PSU
MD
RUT
CIN ??

Outside KU basketball, those schools don’t move the needle at all.

 

[slattimer]

B1G had better grab KU, KSU and ISU and bolster its BBall power base. ISU and KSU have some recent success in Football. I would actually like to see ISU and IA become a conference game and watch the cyclones kick their arse. Cincinnati to make it even?
Other than to grab CU I don’t see another play. On he east coast maybe Virginia but I don’t see that buying any TV market.


Warren is asleep at the wheel....again.
B1G west:
NU
ISU
IA
NU
KSU
KU
MN
WI
NW

B1G east
IL
PUR
IN
MI
MSU
PSU
MD
RUT
CIN ??

If that scenario played out. That would suck. And they should kick warren to the curb.

 

[Chi7397]

Outside KU basketball, those schools don’t move the needle at all.

yeah I don’t know why so many people think ISU makes sense (aside from AAU membership). Ku might make sense, beyond that, if you can’t raid the PAC 12 or ACC/ND, you might be better off doing nothing.

 

[Kaladin]

 

[...TrueColors...]

Let’s talk this through here….

The word is that OU and Texas to the SEC would mean that the SEC schools take home 80 million per school?

The current take is 45 per school (fiscal year 2019 pre-Covid). There are 14 SEC schools. So 45 million x 14 = 630 million in total. In order to get to 80 million per school, you’re saying that OU and Texas make that league worth 1.28 billion. So doing the math, OU and Texas are worth 650 million to that league? So Texas and OU alone are worth more to the SEC than every other SEC school combined?

Bullshit. I can buy that Texas and OU make that league worth more than the Big Ten and they make it so that SEC schools are taking home more than Big Ten schools. I’m calling bullshit on the 80 million number that’s been floated.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Let’s talk this through here….

The word is that OU and Texas to the SEC would mean that the SEC schools take home 80 million per school?

The current take is 45 per school (fiscal year 2019 pre-Covid). There are 14 SEC schools. So 45 million x 14 = 630 million in total. In order to get to 80 million per school, you’re saying that OU and Texas make that league worth 1.28 billion. So doing the math, OU and Texas are worth 650 million to that league? So Texas and OU alone are worth more to the SEC than every other SEC school combined?

Bullshit. I can buy that Texas and OU make that league worth more than the Big Ten and they make it so that SEC schools are taking home more than Big Ten schools. I’m calling bullshit on the 80 million number that’s been floated.

There's some growth in rights fees from when they last signed to when they'd sign again. If they're willing to put some primo match ups on the SEC Network or ESPN+ they'll be worth even more than whatever they'd get staying on regular tv

 

[...TrueColors...]

There's some growth in rights fees from when they last signed to when they'd sign again. If they're willing to put some primo match ups on the SEC Network or ESPN+ they'll be worth even more than whatever they'd get staying on regular tv

Where I’m going with it is I don’t think we’ve got to make these huge home run additions to be worth as much as the SEC in that scenario. We’ve also got some reasons to ask for more from Fox as well.

 

[Cash68847]

I would take those Pac 12 schools. Maybe it would get us out of playing OSU every year.

 

[Kaladin]

Let’s talk this through here….

The word is that OU and Texas to the SEC would mean that the SEC schools take home 80 million per school?

The current take is 45 per school (fiscal year 2019 pre-Covid). There are 14 SEC schools. So 45 million x 14 = 630 million in total. In order to get to 80 million per school, you’re saying that OU and Texas make that league worth 1.28 billion. So doing the math, OU and Texas are worth 650 million to that league? So Texas and OU alone are worth more to the SEC than every other SEC school combined?

Bullshit. I can buy that Texas and OU make that league worth more than the Big Ten and they make it so that SEC schools are taking home more than Big Ten schools. I’m calling bullshit on the 80 million number that’s been floated.

I saw on one of teh SEC boards someone say that the SEC teams will probably make around $70 million, which sounds more reaosnable.

If the Big 10 adds USC and UCLA they are getting the 2nd largest tv market in Los Angeles which has lots of Big 10 alumni. You add Oregon you are getting the Portland market and a growing national brand. You add Colorado and you're getting the Denver market which has lots of Big 10 alumni.

You add in Stanford and you're getting the bay area and if you add in Washington you're getting the Seattle market.

I can see the Big 10 adding those 4-6 teams and calling it a day.

 

[Kaladin]

A 16-team SEC would need at least $134 million more central revenue annually, with ESPN likely throwing in most of that

For the SEC to keep its projected per-school distributions ($66.9 million from 2024-25 on) with 16 teams, ESPN would have to pay it more.

awfulannouncing.com

The two key numbers in there are the 2019-20 per-school distribution ($45.5 million per school, which, multiplied by 14 members, gives $637 million in central conference revenues to be distributed) and the expected boost of $300 million per year conference-wide from 2024-25 on (which, divided by 14 members, is $21.4 million per school, leading to a total of $66.9 million per school each year). That provides the foundation to run what the current and future per-school numbers would look like if the league went to 16 schools (with Texas and Oklahoma) under three scenarios: no change to the central pot, enough change to the central pot to keep the per-school numbers equal to now, and enough change to the central pot to grow the numbers to $70 million per school annually.

 

[Cash68847]

I saw on one of teh SEC boards someone say that the SEC teams will probably make around $70 million, which sounds more reaosnable.

If the Big 10 adds USC and UCLA they are getting the 2nd largest tv market in Los Angeles which has lots of Big 10 alumni. You add Oregon you are getting the Portland market and a growing national brand. You add Colorado and you're getting the Denver market which has lots of Big 10 alumni.

You add in Stanford and you're getting the bay area and if you add in Washington you're getting the Seattle market.

I can see the Big 10 adding those 4-6 teams and calling it a day.

I assume we would be part of the west division and probably not play the eastern BIG schools during the season if this happens?

 

[Kaladin]

I assume we would be part of the west division and probably not play the eastern BIG schools during the season if this happens?

If you only add 6 teams, then we would be in a division with Colorado, Cockeye, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

If you only add 4 teams then you're looking at an 18 team conference and I don't know how you would handle that.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I saw on one of teh SEC boards someone say that the SEC teams will probably make around $70 million, which sounds more reaosnable.

If the Big 10 adds USC and UCLA they are getting the 2nd largest tv market in Los Angeles which has lots of Big 10 alumni. You add Oregon you are getting the Portland market and a growing national brand. You add Colorado and you're getting the Denver market which has lots of Big 10 alumni.

You add in Stanford and you're getting the bay area and if you add in Washington you're getting the Seattle market.

I can see the Big 10 adding those 4-6 teams and calling it a day.

I think you'd just be better off finding ways to work with the Pac12 to boost the value of both conferences. I don't know if it's a "championship weekend" where you play your title games but then go Pac 12 #3 vs Big Ten #3 on down or what.

 

[Cash68847]

If you only add 6 teams, then we would be in a division with Colorado, Cockeyes, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

If you only add 4 teams then you're looking at an 18 team conference and I don't know how you would handle that.

If you’re at 20 teams do you even play non conference games anymore?

 

[Kaladin]

I think you'd just be better off finding ways to work with the Pac12 to boost the value of both conferences. I don't know if it's a "championship weekend" where you play your title games but then go Pac 12 #3 vs Big Ten #3 on down or what.

Big 10 and Pac 12 contracts are coming up for renewal though. Pac teams are only making...$30 million a year? If you are Fox do you renew that, or do you add the best Pac teams to the Big 10 and call it a day?

 

[nscottie]

This guy is a gopher fan. Is he anyone other than a fan?

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Big 10 and Pac 12 contracts are coming up for renewal though. Pac teams are only making...$30 million a year? If you are Fox do you renew that, or do you add the best Pac teams to the Big 10 and call it a day?

I probably renew it because two conference is more content than one super conference and I still want to have a strong presence in Pacific Time.

 

[Kaladin]

This guy is a gopher fan. Is he anyone other than a fan?

He claims that "BTM' is his source inside the Big 10/Fox

 

[Kaladin]

If you’re at 20 teams do you even play non conference games anymore?

Good question. Maybe you would just play the 4 teams in your division, and then play the 5 teams from another division each year. I don't know.

I think you would almost have to bump it up to 24 teams to make it really work. So you'd add Kansas, Utah, Arizona, and Cal.

Then we would be in a division with Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Kansas, and Cockeye, which would be great for us.