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Assistant Coach Hires - Different Perspective

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Not sure if this needs a new thread but a lot of the assistant coach conversations are trending in a very wrong direction IMO. 2 points I’d like to make. One is based on what Waterboy has seen. The other is just a hunch.

#1: Special Teams Coordinator
I’ve seen a lot of discussion about how we need a ST coordinator which is abundantly clear, but there has been a lot of talk about how we can’t make room for a ST coordinator without firing another defensive coach, having a coach take 2 position groups, Chins coaching OLB’s etc.

Everyone is overthinking it.

We don’t need to do get rid of any additional coaches or make any changes to the defensive staff to have room for a ST coach and the reason is that there is about a 90% chance Frost takes QB’s IMO.

1. Frost has worked QB’s in practice for over half of this season, either in tandem with Verdu, or more recently, basically by himself.

2. Frost is very comfortable coaching QB’s. He is natural at it. Waterboy says there is a MASSIVE difference.

3. Working with QB’s gives Frost a chance to work hands-on with the most important player on the field from not just a development perspective, but also a game planning and game management perspective. This is abundantly important and gets rid of “the middle man,” (and a guy like Verdu is a really shitty middle man).

4. Frost gets rid of play calling will have time during the game to touch base with QB’s, get their mind right, talk about game management, etc. instead of letting Harry Potter fuck cross the wires of the QB’s brains during crunch time.


If Frost takes QB’s and we hire an OC that takes on another position group, it would leave room for a ST coordinator.

I think that is the most likely scenario.

HC/QB - Frost
RB - Brown
OC/WR - ???
OL - ???
ST - Snyder

Fire 4. Hire 4.


#2: Big Name OC?
I’ve also seen a lot of talk about “what proven, P5 OC is going to come here to possibly ruin their career with a lame duck HC?” Fair point.

I don’t think we will take a proven P5 coordinator. I think we take a proven G5 coordinator who has had somewhat sustained success but hasn’t been given the chance to make the jump yet.

A lot will say this OC job is unattractive to that type of candidate. I disagree. If I am a G5 coordinator who just hasn’t been “flashy” enough to get mentioned for a big P5 job, I’m all over the Nebraska job. Why? Because I’d get the opportunity to take over an offense that has already proven it can put up a shit load of yards.

My only job? Turn those yards into points. If I turn our 27 ppg average into 37 ppg, I have effectively saved Frosts job and made myself one of the most sought after up and coming OC’s, and might even get some head coaching looks if I can sustain it for a few years.

Is it a risky move? Yes. But any time a coach moves from G5 to P5 it’s risky. My guess is there are a handful of guys that aren’t on anyones radar who are licking their chops for this job.

It won’t be a “wow” hire, but it might be the right hire.

Willy Korn is the obvious name here, though he is a WB coach and that might render my point #1 above irrelevant.

Other names people might want to research but I don’t have time at the moment:

Tim Cramsey from Marshall.

Andrew Sowder from Kent State.

Mike Bath or Eric Evan’s from Western Michigan.

Ryan Grubb from Fresno State.

Anthony Tucker from Utah State

Aaron Roderick from BYU

Tommy Mainord or Mike Bloesch from North Texas (Co-OC’s not sure of what responsibilities they had).
 
I’m okay with the Kent state OC on one condition. He brings Bill O’Boyle with him to be the OL Coach.
I still thought he was at South Dakota. I didn’t realize he was there.
 
Will a full time special teams coach fix anything though? That is, to what degree are the return and coverage problems a result of not having someone who knows how to coach them vs. not making starters available to play on them vs. not dedicating enough practice time to special teams?

Kicker and punter seem like personnel issues.
 
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Why not let the OC coach QBs and let Frosty coach STs?
Does Frost have any experience coaching special teams? It seems like it would be more natural for him to coach WRs like he did at Oregon and then hire a full time ST guy who actually knows what to do.

I don't necessarily have a problem if they'd hire an offensive position coach who has lots of experience with ST either.
 
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Does Frost have any experience coaching special teams? It seems like it would be more natural for him to coach WRs like he did at Oregon and then hire a full time ST guy who actually knows what he to do.

I don't necessarily have a problem if they'd hire an offensive position coach who has lots of experience with ST either.
There are so many things you could do if you want a st coach. You could make Chinander coach a position or cut out a lb coach. Frost could coach a group like the receivers.
 
I’m okay with the Kent state OC on one condition. He brings Bill O’Boyle with him to be the OL Coach.
Do we let Coach O’B paint the N every Friday before the game? (He did this at CSC) Hell of a coach who got shafted doing the same thing with the golf tournament that Brad Smith did. Smith was just pissed that O’B elevated the CSC program from what Smith had left it.
 
There are so many things you could do if you want a st coach. You could make Chinander coach a position or cut out a lb coach. Frost could coach a group like the receivers.
I'm mostly ok with not rocking the boat in defense, but I could see Fisher and/or Tuioti leave and that would let you shuffle some responsibilities to carve out a ST coach that way.
 
Do we let Coach O’B paint the N every Friday before the game? (He did this at CSC) Hell of a coach who got shafted doing the same thing with the golf tournament that Brad Smith did. Smith was just pissed that O’B elevated the CSC program from what Smith had left it.
I remember the players marching over the game ball to his house after he was fired.
 
Do we let Coach O’B paint the N every Friday before the game? (He did this at CSC) Hell of a coach who got shafted doing the same thing with the golf tournament that Brad Smith did. Smith was just pissed that O’B elevated the CSC program from what Smith had left it.
Indeed, but the handling of funds from that tourney was waaaaay outside of the lines.
 
Do we let Coach O’B paint the N every Friday before the game? (He did this at CSC) Hell of a coach who got shafted doing the same thing with the golf tournament that Brad Smith did. Smith was just pissed that O’B elevated the CSC program from what Smith had left it.

Am I the only one who has no idea wtf you're talking about?
 
If you did this you could also have the ST coordinator - Synder - be the assistant head and have him help Frost run things.
 
I’m okay with the Kent state OC on one condition. He brings Bill O’Boyle with him to be the OL Coach.
Yup. Kent is currently 3rd in the nation in rushing ypg and 6th in total rushing yards and that’s factoring in games vs Texas A&M and Cockeye where they were pretty outmatched talent wise. Run da ball guy would automatically hate the hire since he’s a spread guy without even looking at the statistics.
 
I have no problem taking an up and comer from G5. Worse case is they get canned along with Frost next year. Disagree on Frost being QB coach tho, the OC definitely needs to be the main QB coach.
 
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