Are you out on Rhule?

[Sous Chef]

Fair enough but sometimes information isn’t correct or filtered or missing nuance.

If something as wild as Rhule forcing White to run the defense in a way he doesn’t want to, and Rhule falling to acknowledge that it isn’t working, is actually happening, then it’s unfortunate that that information isn’t being more clearly conveyed on the insider board instead of just whispers that only some are privy to.

I get what you are saying. But the problem is the install of the defense took place in spring practice and fall camp. It's not so easy to call plays and formations that weren't part of the initial installations. And anything I talked about privately wasn't from any other source on here. I've waited to see if things were as bad as I'd been told by sources not connected with the platinum board before I decided to say anything at all. So calm your tits.

 

[HerbRedman]

The problem with your assumption is that I'm getting this from the nuggets. I was discussing this with other people on here privately long before those nuggets got posted.

Well since we're talking about the nuggets...

IIRC the nuggets implied that White was being stubborn vs Illinois (and it failed miserably) but that Rhule/Butler influenced White to implement changes in the Purdoodoo and Buttgers game....and then the D went back to looking elite in those 2 games.

So in other words, the nuggets were implying that White's stubbornness lost us the Illinois game. And since we looked even worse today vs a similar RPO attack, it looks like we were back to the original White approach we did in the Illini game.

 

[Sous Chef]

Well since we're talking about the nuggets...

IIRC the nuggets implied that White was being stubborn vs Illinois (and it failed miserably) but that Rhule/Butler influenced White to implement changes in the Purdoodoo and Buttgers game....and then the D went back to looking elite in those 2 games.

So in other words, the nuggets were implying that White's stubbornness lost us the Illinois game. And since we looked even worse today vs a similar RPO attack, it looks like we were back to the original White approach we did in the Illini game.

I'm not saying there is a right or wrong in this situation. What I'm saying is there may be a clash of ego and vision. We all love Tony White. We all love Rhule. It sucks that there may be things causing the team issues going on.

 

[tman87]

Well since we're talking about the nuggets...

IIRC the nuggets implied that White was being stubborn vs Illinois (and it failed miserably) but that Rhule/Butler influenced White to implement changes in the Purdoodoo and Buttgers game....and then the D went back to looking elite in those 2 games.

So in other words, the nuggets were implying that White's stubbornness lost us the Illinois game. And since we looked even worse today vs a similar RPO attack, it looks like we were back to the original White approach we did in the Illini game.

At this point, who knows. Well, some probably know.

White has not looked his normal self on the sideline for a while. If there is an in-fighting issue between White and Rhule.... that is not a good thing at all. If this is Rhule forcing less pressure packages/fronts on White, makes me really question Rhule. That ish don't work unless you have elite talent. Obviously our more men in coverage packages are not getting it done.

But if you've read my posts, you know I am a big proponent of two true rush ends pinning their ears back and getting to the QB. Plus of course two good interior DLine guys (we have those) who stuff the middle and get a push to the QB also. Mix in the different look pressure packages with LB's and DB's from there. How we have been playing on D is on our heels type of play. Bend don't break don't work.

Will be interesting to see what further info comes out on this.

 

[Fargo Husker]

This idea of a rift between Rhule and White has really taken on a life of its own with really no evidence for it other than his defense stinks.

Do we really think that White is going to run something he doesn’t want to do, and Rhule is going to continue to force him to do it, when they can’t even force a punt?

I get that people are skeptical of Rhule but it’s really hard to believe that after the defense bailed him out all last year that he forced White to run it differently, and in a way that White didn’t want, to the detriment of everything he’s trying to accomplish with the team.

Maybe the simpler explanation is the right one: our talent isn’t as good as we thought, White is still a fairly young coordinator with one year of experience in a big boy conference, and as a result they just aren’t as good as we want them to be.

100% agree.

Our defense under TW earned its reputation last year and the first half of this year by largely playing well against poor offenses. When we’ve come up against competent offenses, we get exposed. Really as simple as that.

 

[HerbRedman]

100% agree.

Our defense under TW earned its reputation last year and the first half of this year by largely playing well against poor offenses. When we’ve come up against competent offenses, we get exposed. Really as simple as that.

Yeah, I tried to downplay that this offseason but it's pretty fuckin obvious at this point. White made his reputation against shitty offenses. PLUS we had a ball control offense that chewed up clock. Those two things are a recipe for some elite defensive numbers.

White did dominate CU but that was also because Shurmur wouldn't run the ball and also insisted that they stick with these 7 step drops in the pocket.

When White goes against good RPO QBs who do 3 & 5-step drops (get the ball out quick)....he has no answer.

 

[Eaton Beaver]

I get what you're all saying. But when do we think that the players available are dog shit?

 

[Kazman5k]

Found the tater tweet of the day

 

[Husker1]

This idea of a rift between Rhule and White has really taken on a life of its own with really no evidence for it other than his defense stinks.

Do we really think that White is going to run something he doesn’t want to do, and Rhule is going to continue to force him to do it, when they can’t even force a punt?

I get that people are skeptical of Rhule but it’s really hard to believe that after the defense bailed him out all last year that he forced White to run it differently, and in a way that White didn’t want, to the detriment of everything he’s trying to accomplish with the team.

Maybe the simpler explanation is the right one: our talent isn’t as good as we thought, White is still a fairly young coordinator with one year of experience in a big boy conference, and as a result they just aren’t as good as we want them to be.

What I’ve learned with NU football over the recent decades is never underestimate the ego of a head coach.

 

[kyle23]

 

[jickey moseph]

The 335 is irrelevant against spread offense and any team that is two dimensional and smart (sorry, CU). I just don’t think the 335 will work in the long run.

Sure, it works against the Buttgers and terrible pro style teams of the world, but it gets exposed against any team that spreads it out.

 

[Seaofred92]

The 335 is irrelevant against spread offense and any team that is two dimensional and smart (sorry, CU). I just don’t think the 335 will work in the long run.

Sure, it works against the Buttgers and terrible pro style teams of the world, but it gets exposed against any team that spreads it out.

I would agree about true 3-3-5 stack being light in the box, but we have been playing a ton of 4 at the LOS lately (I do think a “base” 4-2-5 nickel is the best bet long term). We really need better LB play (tell me if you’ve heard that before) before we see another jump in defensive production.

 

[ChocaEgg]

One guy that seems to be getting a pass is Dvoracek. LBs have been pretty meh and I can't name a single guy that he's recruited. More dead weight?

 

[Sous Chef]

The 335 is irrelevant against spread offense and any team that is two dimensional and smart (sorry, CU). I just don’t think the 335 will work in the long run.

Sure, it works against the Buttgers and terrible pro style teams of the world, but it gets exposed against any team that spreads it out.

Actually it wasn't working against Buttgers at all. It wasn't until we went away from the 3-3-5 that we started stopping their rush attack. I'm surprised you didn't realize this. Wait. No I guess I'm not.

 

[Sous Chef]

One guy that seems to be getting a pass is Dvoracek. LBs have been pretty meh and I can't name a single guy that he's recruited. More dead weight?

No credit for Shavers or McGahee?

 

[Baron Winnebago]

One guy that seems to be getting a pass is Dvoracek. LBs have been pretty meh and I can't name a single guy that he's recruited. More dead weight?

Honestly is there an assistant we employ who would be hired by anyone decent?

 

[ChocaEgg]

Honestly is there an assistant we employ who would be hired by anyone decent?

 

[Sous Chef]

Honestly is there an assistant we employ who would be hired by anyone decent?

Do the Bills count?

 

[ChocaEgg]

No credit for Shavers or McGahee?

I mean he's their position coach, but I don't seem to remember him being the lead recruiter for those dudes. Maybe he was, idk.

 

[ChocaEgg]

Do the Bills count?

Would the Bills hire Butler back? I don't think so.