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How can you improve Frost’s coaching ability? He gets outcoached most weekends in the BIG. It’s evident Milton made Frost a lot of money. If he has an average qb at UCF Frost is never sought after. His record would have been average. I’ll give him credit for getting Milton.
Kinda funny and slightly ironic how even after all these years of Jimmy Johnson saying it that Jimmy’s and Joes still mean more than Xs and Os. There’s also that idea that talent makes coaches look better than they maybe are.
Yeah I can see that. Certainly think that’s important. I think I can assume there’s been an AD failure around Frost too with not everyone being in sync?
Here’s my question, and I’m going to assume the Frost rumors are true, don’t know if they are or not obviously, but let’s say that they are. If Turd was willing to give Frost more leash, say another year or two, on the agreement that Frost essentially stops the shenanigans, humbled up, took shit more serious, and Turd took care of things on the AD end, do we think Frost would get in line with that?
I would never assume any rumor is true. If you ever get the chance to read Harold Geneen's book, 'Managing,' you might enjoy pages 98-102 (paperback edition) where they describe what a fact is and how we only use facts to make decisions. I made it required reading for every team member I have worked with in the past two decades.
Well the other thing is that if Frost had even just a slightly better QB who made, say, 3 better decisions/game more than Adrian.... Frost probably has closer to a 20-12 record here and we're not even having this conversation. That's how close his margin for error has been. It's not like he's getting blowout losses every week. It's mostly come down to like 3 bad plays a game and they get the L.
Yep. And it’s ever so slight too. It Adrian was a tad more accurate, or a tad quicker decisions, or a tad lighter in 2019. It’s literally a big mistake or two by someone in the losses the last 3 years, that’s it. 1 or 2 mistakes. Amazing
Right, just for conversation purposes I mean. I’ll keep that book in mind, thank you. I can see both results with Frost and Turd. Now that we’ve actually seen games, I don’t see 8 wins anymore like I initially thought. I can argue maybe 6 given we win on Saturday. Admittedly though, like I said earlier, we lose on Saturday and I’m good with pulling the plug.
Even if there is was an AD failure, it’s a joke Frost can’t make a bowl game. I’m not buying into the fact the AD has much to do with Frost being a horrible power 5 coach. I would say there was bigger AD issues with coaches like Frank and Bo and they somehow won games.
How do you see 6 if we win on Saturday? Best case I see is 5 wins with the offense we keep running out on the field. 3-4 wins is more likely.
BTW I agree with this. A good HC doesn't need the AD to create a structured, stable football dept. 95% of Frost's problems are a result of his own doing. It's not Moos's fault.
If we win tomorrow it will be a rare two-game streak for momentum which can be good for our notoriously weak-minded teams, but obviously OU will destroy us right after that so it's hard to know what the mindset will be at that point. But if they get their heads on straight, I still see any of these games as essentially 50/50 matchups:
I don’t see us playing with Minnesota. I also think we get beat by MSU, but I see it as more winnable. NW and Purdue or toss ups we might not even win.
Can't argue with any of that, my hopes right now are that the season is a crapshoot instead of a spiral haha
I had us losing to MSU way back in July. I knew that was a loss.
I had us at 5 wins before the season. I agree on MSU. I think Tucker will out coach Frost. I’ve already seen it once live.
I think it’s a big factor - but not the only factor. And like most people in most jobs, even if your boss sucks (or isn’t particularly good at their gig), you are still eventually responsible for the results.
