Sipple Gaslighting?

[Turn Down for What]

Unless things change drastically, I don't see 8 wins. Been a fun ride

No it hasn’t.

 

[tman87]

Based on one of the answers McKewon had in his mail box question like last week now, and what we've seen so far on offense and over the last few years, it's become clear to me that he's no longer that "tough as shit Nebraska QB" and in his actual adult life he's really the "WR Coach/OC who learned his craft from Chip Kelly and Oregon". In 2018 I wanted, and thought, we were going to get the tough as shit Nebraska QB to be our HC.

I think most of us thought Frost would get our O Line better and have a more creative offense overall.

It's the fact that Frost can't get the O Line even decent that kills us. He also is a terrible game manager (could list mulitiple ways on that and we all know them), and I don't think he has ever really had the locker room in his corner the way he should. Pelini was an asshole, but he was able to rally the players to be loyal to him at least.

 

[huskerj12]

I read once about how good organizations view "near misses" as failures and crappy ones view them as successes. (Probably even worse ones view near miss failures as successes -- cough). Maybe we are finally starting to redefine what this program needs to look like.

This is well said, I've always been hopeful that Frost was going to figure it out but last year when so many people were so impressed with how "close" we were, I just didn't get it. If you think we deserve credit for keeping it close against good teams then we definitely deserve scrutiny for underachieving so badly against Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue.

Even going 6-6 with close wins over comparable teams and close losses to ranked teams would be a more tolerable "near miss" season than 3-9.

 

[Pipe Line]

No it hasn’t.

I've enjoyed it

 

[Pipe Line]

I think most of us thought Frost would get our O Line better and have a more creative offense overall.

It's the fact that Frost can't get the O Line even decent that kills us. He also is a terrible game manager (could list mulitiple ways on that and we all know them), and I don't think he has ever really had the locker room in his corner the way he should. Panini was an asshole, but he was able to rally the players to be loyal to him at least.

I genuinely thought O-Line would look light years better than it has. I wouldn't say I thought we'd light up score boards like UCF but I certainly didn't think it'd be hard to score enough points. I think he has said this before, or maybe we've read it, that he just isn't as close with some players as he preaches to be. He really pushes that TO mantra of "he knew everyone's name, where they were from, and their parents' names. I'm not sure Frost can say he's in that same position.

 

[tman87]

I am very much prepared for our secondary to look bad against OU and the wheels to fall off very quickly after.

Safties are not very good. Chin likes to flex an OLB out to cover way too much. D Line doesn't get pressure on the QB. Recipe for disaster against better teams. Ohh, and we don't tackle well in space either.

Chin just sets us up to fail IMO. Soft, preven't style, bend don't break shit that opposing coaches can find holes and pick apart. Drives me nuts. Our seconday usually lines up too far off the receivers. Half the time we have players who are looking to the sideline at snap becaue they are confused.

It is great if your D Line is so good you can rely on them getting consistent pressure on the QB to play it safe with a bend don't break style. But that is not the case with the players we have now. I think Wynn should be starting and playing a lot. Mathis needs to play a lot to get consistent for us. Bring heat with a front 4, not front 3. We don't have good enough D Line to play 3 - 4 defense and we don't have a Jo Jo at flex OLB to cover in space.

 

[ChocaEgg]

I've enjoyed it

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Here is the interview

 

[tman87]

I genuinely thought O-Line would look light years better than it has. I wouldn't say I thought we'd light up score boards like UCF but I certainly didn't think it'd be hard to score enough points. I think he has said this before, or maybe we've read it, that he just isn't as close with some players as he preaches to be. He really pushes that TO mantra of "he knew everyone's name, where they were from, and their parents' names. I'm not sure Frost can say he's in that same position.

Me too. I am baffled at the consistent poor play of our O Line. Poor O Line play mucks up everything else since skill players don't have the time for the QB to make longer reads.

I think Thompson has done pretty well getting the ball out quicker. Not a strong arm, but short to mid throws he seems to make the right reads (and even check down to 2nd or 3rd options!) and has a strong command of being a quicker reading QB. Sure, he isn't much of a running threat, although I don't think he is slow, but as a game manager QB I think he's pretty good. Not a game changer, but we shouldn't have to rely on our QB being the main weapon running or passing. Doing that you can count on your QB running the ball a lot will always miss several games a year. And I like QB's who can run, but you have to have a proper balance of it. The threat to be able to take off does open things up and make a defense play honest though.

 

[slattimer]

It's the fact that Frost can't get the O Line even decent that kills us.

This has been the biggest travesty of Nebraska football for quite awhile and ultimately the reason for a plummet into suckage.

Panini was an asshole, but he was able to rally the players to be loyal to him at least.

Despite some of our disdain towards former OL coaches under Pelini, like Cotton, they were at least able to muster serviceable OLs. When we had serviceable OLs, they've won more games than lost.

I'm obviously biased as an OL guy, but it's been a truth in football consistently. Good teams always have a solid OL.

 

[Irv]

I will say I got confirmation that Turd/Frost aren't on good terms. That is probably the politically correct way to put it.

is this any relation to the idea Frost is pissed at Turd for forcing changes on him?

 

[Pipe Line]

Has it?

I have genuinely enjoyed it

 

[Alcaus]

Yes and no.

Yes- The kids you recruit will be what you want your program to represent. He wants Oregon Speed in Lincoln. My opinion, Oregon Speed is soft. Recruit kids that match that, will indeed be soft on game day. My opinion, Callahan's west coast shit was soft. Riley is a just a soft nice guy, program takes that on. Daily habits become soft, you get it. Frost has made his tenure somewhat of a victim mentality given how much shit has gone wrong. Some his fault, some not. So, players unintentionally take on victim mentality as well and that's where the "here we go again" mentality comes from.


No- We look the part physically. Riley didn't have that and neither did Callahan. That part is not soft. But, other aspects then have to match, which has not happened.

I can't wrap my head around the FAST = SOFT argument

 

[huskerj12]

he just isn't as close with some players as he preaches to be. He really pushes that TO mantra of "he knew everyone's name, where they were from, and their parents' names. I'm not sure Frost can say he's in that same position.

There's no way. We heard a little bit of that about Riley (mostly how he had a photographic memory for that type of info about everyone, not necessarily that he had tight relationships with them) and one of Bo's main positive attributes was that he was famously close with his players and we heard tons of stories from guys who said he was like a father figure to them and they'd run through a brick wall for him.

Strangely enough, Frost did seem like a cool older-brother type of coach when he was at UCF, but we haven't really heard a single thing like that about him at NU. Some guys give the spiel about "we love our coach and we want to make him proud" but again, it doesn't really come across in anybody's actions or press conference anecdotes or even emotional offseason fluff pieces.

 

[Alcaus]

There's no way. We heard a little bit of that about Riley (mostly how he had a photographic memory for that type of info about everyone, not necessarily that he had tight relationships with them) and one of Bo's main positive attributes was that he was famously close with his players and we heard tons of stories from guys who said he was like a father figure to them and they'd run through a brick wall for him.

Strangely enough, Frost did seem like a cool older-brother type of coach when he was at UCF, but we haven't really heard a single thing like that about him at NU. Some guys give the spiel about "we love our coach and we want to make him proud" but again, it doesn't really come across in anybody's actions or press conference anecdotes or even emotional offseason fluff pieces.

Nelson just wants to see Scott smile again

 

[Alcaus]

Here is the interview

I genuinely enjoy Sipple

The dude is hilarious

 

[Irv]

Had a chance to listen to it. Sipple is pretty much writing the obituary.

I thought it was interesting at the end when Sharp said someone should write a book about this season and Benning said:

"Yeah, but it'd have to be a tell-all because you can't write it without admitting a few, or several things behind the scenes...because I'm sure people are listening right now and are like 'Why all of a sudde does Sip change course?'"

 

[ChocaEgg]

Had a chance to listen to it. Sipple is pretty much writing the obituary.

I thought it was interesting at the end when Sharp said someone should write a book about this season and Benning said:

"Yeah, but it'd have to be a tell-all because you can't write it without admitting a few, or several things behind the scenes...because I'm sure people are listening right now and are like 'Why all of a sudde does Sip change course?'"

I can't wait for the behind the scenes stuff to come out.

 

[BluesBucksNHuskers]

Unless things change drastically, I don't see 8 wins. Been a fun ride

The shitty thing is we have enough tools on this team that if I had any confidence in the coaching I’d be fully in the thinking of “Well it ain’t been pretty to this point but lets watch this thing develop and we could be pretty salty by the tough part of our schedule”.

But after the last 4 years I’d have to be crazy to have any hope of that happening.

 

[Carm]

Sipple's comment was even stronger in context. He didn't just say, I think he needs 8 wins. He said:

"It's very simple to me. Reality based conversation. I've been consistent in this. I believe what I'm about to say more than I've ever believed it right now. The number he's got to get to is 8."

He also said that Frost coaching against Indiana would be "tenuous" if they don't look good against Oklahoma. Seems to go against the info on this board that suggested a mid-season firing was very unlikely.

(Also said, "I know what October 1 is all about, that's kind of the season we're in" and said that it's "not unreasonable" to suggest Frost might not be coaching this weekend had we lost to North Dakota.)

Oct 1 is an interesting date for the buyout reduction. That was the first possible date for an 8 win season to be impossible before the season started (0-5 if we lost our first 5). Consistent with the idea 8 is the metric.