Sipple Gaslighting?

[Alcaus]

I remember the 7 year runway discussion, but it wasn't 7 straight losing seasons. Nobody would have signed off on that. It was meant to have incremental progress in those 7 years.

At the end of the 7 years it was the expectation we would be ramping up to a program that basically was winning the west 3 times in a 5 year period. That is what my thoughts were.

Also, Frost was big on the "better get us early" comments.

I thought this was consensus at the time.

Am I wrong in taking Sipple's post as a 7-year runway no matter what? That seems retarded to say out loud as an "objective, non-fan of the program" media member.

 

[Cash68847]

I don't remember if the extension adjusted his buyout as @Bootleg11 pointed out.

Either way, I didn't think a 7 year runway meant making a bowl game but Sipple seems to define shit in a nebulous, "however I feel today" sort of way.

Fuck Sipple. He will suck Frost’s cock until he gets word Frost is getting fired.

 

[Carm]

No. Everyone in the fanbase was on board w/ the original 5-year contract.

initial contract was for 7 years, not 5

 

[Alcaus]

No. Everyone in the fanbase was on board w/ the original 5-year contract. The 2-year extension was a head scratcher for most if not all, but at the time I could see how the show of faith could have benefitted recruiting.

Obviously not a stellar deal when evaluated in hindsight

As it's been pointed out ITT the initial contact was 7-years.

I don't think the contract was the issue but the results prior to the extension and the vague runway talk.

 

[Ripping Lips]

I think the 5 or 7 year talk started last year when we were the best 3-9 team with all one score losses. Even some of the pundits last year were saying that Nebraska needed a culture change and yada yada yada. However, none of that happened at all under Frost and it seemed to get worse.

 

[RedSeaRising]

A 7-year runway was not something I was onboard with but I could've been alone.

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Is this how you guys remember it? I remember thinking the extension was fucking crazy at the time.

Nobody was on board with 7 years of this shit. I thought the original deal was 5 and then the extension made it 7.

I was like many and assumed we'd at the very least be contending for the West within a couple seasons, but at the very least my expectation was tangible progress. Not 7 years of shit. I said the same with Bo, it was just a completely static line of progression, we never got any better.

 

[RedSeaRising]

As it's been pointed out ITT the initial contact was 7-years.

I don't think the contract was the issue but the results prior to the extension and the vague runway talk.

As I didn't read any posts in the thread prior to posting I was mistaken and incorrectly recalled the original deal being 5 years, deleted and corrected.

I'm not disagreeing with you

 

[Alcaus]

As I didn't read any posts in the thread prior to posting I was mistaken and incorrectly recalled the original deal being 5 years, deleted and corrected.

I'm not disagreeing with you

No worries, I knew you weren't. I think I thought the same originally but the contract didn't bother me, just the "after 5-7 years then we can review" nonsense.

The coffee today has me replying quickly and I caught you before the delete 😉

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I remember thinking that who ever they hired after Riley would need 6 years for a full rebuild.

The problem is that Nebraska, 5 years later, is still where they were 5 years ago.

As for the extension. Extensions are a part of recruiting. It's the buy out that you have to pay attention to. I don't know if they increased the buy out or not. If they did...clearly that was a mistake.

I am pretty sure the extension included a reset of his buyout...

I was for the extension because of recruiting
I thought the buyout needed to remain the same or some form of it.

 

[RedSeaRising]

No worries, I knew you weren't. I think I thought the same originally but the contract didn't bother me, just the "after 5-7 years then we can review" nonsense.

The coffee today has me replying quickly and I caught you before the delete 😉

 

[Black Dean]

Exactly. I think most people assumed he would follow something like this:

Year 1: Bowl game
Years 2-4: Challenge for the division AKA 8-10 wins (Bo levels of winning)
Years 5-7: Conference contenders AKA 10+ wins

Mayyybe some people would be starting to grumble if we stayed in that 8-10 win range longer into year 5 and beyond, but come on Sipple and co. It's totally disingenuous to pretend everybody was content to go years and years without a freaking winning season.

I was even more forgiving with Frost,

Year 1: flip the culture, no expectations record
Year 2: make a bowl game
Year 3: 8-9 wins
Year 4: win the division

 

[Black Dean]

Fuck Sipple. He will suck Frost’s cock until he gets word Frost is getting fired.

Did you see his comment when someone asked how Frost would be remembered as coach of Nebraska? Lol

 

[Alcaus]

I was even more forgiving with Frost,

Year 1: flip the culture, no expectations record
Year 2: make a bowl game
Year 3: 8-9 wins
Year 4: win the division

Pretty spot-on compared to what I thought.

 

[Alcaus]

Did you see his comment when someone asked how Frost would be remembered as coach of Nebraska? Lol

Not sure this is in the top 5-10 things I'll remember about the HCSF era

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I thought this was consensus at the time.

Am I wrong in taking Sipple's post as a 7-year runway no matter what? That seems retarded to say out loud as am "objective, non-fan of the program" media member.

How he wrote that basically says 7 years no matter what, but in reality nobody signed off on that.

I bet if you asked him a follow up question he would even say Frost needed to show incremental progress during those 7 years.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

Pretty spot-on compared to what I thought.

ya, same. I didn't expect a CFP contender in year 2 or 3, but I certainly didn't expect to be the punchline of the conference, either. Steady, incremental improvement each year peaking in a B1G champ game appearance in year 4-5 was what I kinda thought.

 

[slattimer]

I was even more forgiving with Frost,

Year 1: flip the culture, no expectations record
Year 2: make a bowl game
Year 3: 8-9 wins
Year 4: win the division

This.

Year 1 & 2 - Flip culture - make a bowl
Year 3 & 4 - Continue roster flip, get older - push to win division
Year 5 & 6 - Win division, Make Conf Champ game, compete
Year 7 & Beyond - Continual division winner. 9 wins or better, push to win Conf champ game.

Not
Year 1 - Suck
Year 2 - Suck
Year 3 - Suck
Year 4 - Suck...but media darlings because play hard and are in a lot of close games with good opponents
Year 5 - Looks like a continual suckage.

 

[Alcaus]

How he wrote that basically says 7 years no matter what, but in reality nobody signed off on that.

I bet if you asked him a follow up question he would even say Frost needed to show incremental progress during those 7 years.

Yeah, you're probably right on that.

The "lets not judge for 5 years" crowd was likely only in the fanbase.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Not sure this is in the top 5-10 things I'll remember about the HCSF era

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That is probably the #1 thing I will remember about him.

He will be regarded as a HC who lost a shit ton of close games and something was missing to get him over the hump.

 

[Driveway Jordan]

Not sure this is in the top 5-10 things I'll remember about the HCSF era

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This is the most open I have ever seen Sipp about the imminent demise of Frost's coaching tenure at Nebraska. I am surprised he is going here...because he is usually the last to kick dirt on a TC-approved guy. He had no problem doing it to Riley or even Hoiberg. What that tells me is he expects or knows a change is going to happen.