Offense WinTF are we doing?

[slattimer]

Fucking have SOMETHING you can go to no matter what. This shouldn't be so hard in year .5 if you ask. Find what you do - and do it.

And I get it, there are years you go into thinking you're going to run this well. This is going to be what you're known for, and you've got these compliments, and then....it's shit. You can't do it. Or you're not equipped personnel wise to do it. So you either, keep hammering away and trying to get better at it, or figure something out similar that fits them better.

Personally, I think they're a power/counter and pin and pull team. Hang your had on that shit. Because those are the 3 schemes I've seen where they've had a) consistently in movement and yardage, and b) explosive runs. Like, come the fuck on.

 

[djw004]

Also, what is more maddening, is at Baylor, you could tell the system and the run game. It was consistent, and there every single game.

They ran draw, they ran counter and power, and they ran IZ. And they paired with RPOs and Vertical Shots. Every...single...game.

Slat - you are talking my language baby.

My BIGGEST excitement going into this year having DR was we had 0 excuse with a kid who is talented as shit and from all accounts smart as hell, to not have our offense be an exact replica of what those Baylor teams did under Rhule that you so graciously broke down when we hired Rhule.

That offense was fun, productive, and was an established identity.

 

[JankTheTank]

At Baylor, was Nixon the primary play caller over Thomas even though they were co-OCs? Or did they do some sort of Ensminger/Brady playcalling split?

It seems odd in this time of dissecting the offensive history of Rhule’s teams, I haven’t really seen it brought back up as to who on Baylor’s staff was in charge of offensive play flow.

I guess if it was Thomas, then I would feel better about a theoretical where he takes over mid season and, without rewriting the playbook, just calls the current playbook with a much better rhythm.

 

[Fargo Husker]

At Baylor, was Nixon the primary play caller over Thomas even though they were co-OCs? Or did they do some sort of Ensminger/Brady playcalling split?

It seems odd in this time of dissecting the offensive history of Rhule’s teams, I haven’t really seen it brought back up as to who on Baylor’s staff was in charge of offensive play flow.

I guess if it was Thomas, then I would feel better about a theoretical where he takes over mid season and, without rewriting the playbook, just calls the current playbook with a much better rhythm.

I was just going to ask the same exact question.

Thomas obviously had success as sole OC at Temple with Rhule in 2016. His stints as OC at UNLV and ASU were definitely less successful from a record standpoint (can’t speak to how those offenses looked), but they were also not optimal situations.

IF Thomas was the primary play caller at Baylor I would be more comfortable with the idea of him taking over. However, ultimately my hope would continue to be that we could use the prospect of being able to work with Raiola as the hook to find the best possible guy at OC.

 

[ChocaEgg]

 

[Pipe Line]

Sup new WR Coach

 

[Mr.Bojangles]

Running backs:
We can see why Dowdell wasn't valued at Oregon.
I'm out on Rahmir Johnson. We've heard for so long that he's fast. That he's a pass catcher. He's been here for what seems like a decade and he has never broken out or done anything notable.
Emmett Johnson should probably be the man moving forward and probably should have been from the beginning. But still, he's just average. I like him but at best he has been average.
Gabe Irvin has been snake bitten and probably just needs to go.

So what do we have?..... not much. If You need 4 guys to be "the man" then you actually don't have one. The portal needs to be used both coming and going once it opens. And that includes the coach. Barthel hasn't developed anyone in that room.

WRs: Banks has been so underwhelming. He is a good guy with a lot of hardship in his past and I like him, but the Nebraska stage in the Big 10 has been too much for him.
Neyor plays like a guy who has bad knees. I don't know if it's hesitant or anxious but it seems like he's not doing things full speed or 100%.
Our best WRs are Lloyd and Barney. One is a true freshman and another is a triple jumper learning to be a WR. Something tells me that they don't scare OSU, USC or Cockeye.
Bonner is a football player but isn't a WR or a TEnor a FB. So he can't really help us in any of the 3 positions that we need.
Can IGC not get a few plays to see if he can get open?
That Dimitrius Bell injury is looming large.
Malachi? Don't get me started.
I think we should find a real WR coach and not somebody who has the right name for Texas high school recruiting.


TE
Fidone is the definition of average. And then after that we have a bunch of guys that are athletically refrigerators with arms. But at least we got a TE transfer from LSU who we threw into practice right away so he could blow his knee.

Conclusion: I'm just bored and venting. We were sold a bill of goods in the off season and I am feeling ripped off. I really hope the Railoas don't feel that way.

Fix the o line and all of this improves.

 

[Gman1228]

Fix the o line and all of this improves.

I disagree. What is the oline supposed to do when they are outnumbered in the box, our TEs/WRs suck at blocking and our RBs have terrible vision and no wiggle?

The Oline is average and the results have been very poor. We have many bigger issues outside of the Oline IMO.

We have the pieces to at least be a serviceable office that at can times be explosive. This shit show we are currently watching is 100% coaching.

 

[Mr.Bojangles]

I disagree. What is the oline supposed to do when they are outnumbered in the box, our TEs/WRs suck at blocking and our RBs have terrible vision and no wiggle?

The Oline is average and the results have been very poor. We have many bigger issues outside of the Oline IMO.

We have the pieces to at least be a serviceable office that at can times be explosive. This shit show we are currently watching is 100% coaching.

Right they have no running game so d lineman and linebacker can just pin their ears back and go which also puts a strain on pass blocking. If the o line could block even the most basic of running plays it would help tremendously.

 

[Huskersballz]

Pretty pathetic crew to be in

 

[Carm]

I was just going to ask the same exact question.

Thomas obviously had success as sole OC at Temple with Rhule in 2016. His stints as OC at UNLV and ASU were definitely less successful from a record standpoint (can’t speak to how those offenses looked), but they were also not optimal situations.

IF Thomas was the primary play caller at Baylor I would be more comfortable with the idea of him taking over. However, ultimately my hope would continue to be that we could use the prospect of being able to work with Raiola as the hook to find the best possible guy at OC.

I know I saw at one point that Thomas called plays at Baylor, but when Nixon was trying to get an NFL OC job there were articles stating he called plays at Baylor. Rhule was helping him try to get an OC job in the NFL because he aspired to be an NFL HC and needed to punch that ticket. Nixon never had an OC title before Baylor and hasn't afterwards until Syracuse (he was interim OC at Carolina for a couple months after Brady was fired, but they didn't keep him in that role and no NFL team hired him as an OC).

It is hard to tell how much responsibility he has for the Syracuse offense. He has a co-OC, Michael Johnson, who has been an OC for the SF 49ers , UCLAbia and FAU, and spent several years as an NFL QB coach. They also have an Associate HC - Offense who was an OC at Buttgers.

Some of the guys Johnson coached in the NFL and college as either a QB AC or WR AC

 

[Carm]

Sup new WR Coach

He was a RB at Oklahoma and has only coached HS ball so far. We have a poor track record with these kinds of fits.

 

[JankTheTank]

I know I saw at one point that Thomas called plays at Baylor, but when Nixon was trying to get an NFL OC job there were articles stating he called plays at Baylor. Rhule was helping him try to get an OC job in the NFL because he aspired to be an NFL HC and needed to punch that ticket. Nixon never had an OC title before Baylor and hasn't afterwards until Syracuse (he was interim OC at Carolina for a couple months after Brady was fired, but they didn't keep him in that role and no NFL team hired him as an OC).

It is hard to tell how much responsibility he has for the Syracuse offense. He has a co-OC, Michael Johnson, who has been an OC for the SF 49ers , UCLAbia and FAU, and spent several years as an NFL QB coach. They also have an Associate HC - Offense who was an OC at Buttgers.

Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I figured Thomas would have had first dibs at calling plays for Baylor since he was the OC at Temple before they all moved from Philly to Waco. It was odd how many articles seem to give Nixon the nod. And seeing how Thomas didn’t follow the wagon to Carolina and Nixon’s ascent, it made me wonder.

 

[Carm]

Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I figured Thomas would have had first dibs at calling plays for Baylor since he was the OC at Temple before they all moved from Philly to Waco. It was odd how many articles seem to give Nixon the nod. And seeing how Thomas didn’t follow the wagon to Carolina and Nixon’s ascent, it made me wonder.

Just to be clear, my conclusion is that it is still an open question as to who called plays at Baylor

 

[Pipe Line]

He was a RB at Oklahoma and has only coached HS ball so far. We have a poor track record with these kinds of fits.

0% qualified. But, but, his kid will be here soon

 

[Fargo Husker]

I know I saw at one point that Thomas called plays at Baylor, but when Nixon was trying to get an NFL OC job there were articles stating he called plays at Baylor. Rhule was helping him try to get an OC job in the NFL because he aspired to be an NFL HC and needed to punch that ticket. Nixon never had an OC title before Baylor and hasn't afterwards until Syracuse (he was interim OC at Carolina for a couple months after Brady was fired, but they didn't keep him in that role and no NFL team hired him as an OC).

It is hard to tell how much responsibility he has for the Syracuse offense. He has a co-OC, Michael Johnson, who has been an OC for the SF 49ers , UCLAbia and FAU, and spent several years as an NFL QB coach. They also have an Associate HC - Offense who was an OC at Buttgers.

Some of the guys Johnson coached in the NFL and college as either a QB AC or WR AC

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Thanks for the info. Didn’t realize Nixon had the Co-OC tag at Cuse. Thought he was the sole guy.

I mean…if he’s fine with a Co-OC gig…might as well get the band back together next year.

 

[Herbie]

He was a RB at Oklahoma and has only coached HS ball so far. We have a poor track record with these kinds of fits.

It’ll depend on the fit. He Atleast has more experience coaching than the current guy had when he got the job.
If they hire someone like Coach Holgs who also has a pedigree with WRs maybe they work together on WRs.
Get an RB and ST coach to open another spot then find a TEs coach

 

[Carm]

Thanks for the info. Didn’t realize Nixon had the Co-OC tag at Cuse. Thought he was the sole guy.

It's just like Satt & Thomas: Nixon is OC, Johnson is Co-OC. I suspect, though, that Johnson plays a big role given his resume. He was credited with being responsible for a revival of Cuse's passing game in his first year (he arrived in 2022, a year before Fran Brown). The Syracuse team this year is averaging 365 ypg passing and 105 rushing ypg

Nixon does call the plays at 'Cuse - from article from two weeks ago:



In this article he mentions his offensive influences - all current or former NFL coaches, no mention of Rhule at all:

 

[Gman1228]

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Pretty pathetic crew to be in

It’s even more pathetic when you look back to our last 100yr rusher from the RB position. We are so laughably pathetic.

 

[SolichFan1987]

Mozee is more qualified to be the WR coach than McGuire is, by a lot