Nebraska vs. USC - Expectations

[Alcaus]

The source of a lot of his problems on offense has been OL play.

HCMR recruited the following OL

• Farniok (Avg B1G OL)
• Jaimes (Good B1G OL)
• Decker (Good, but rumor was he didn't like football and flaked out)
• Wilson (Well below avg OL)
• Sichtermann (Well below avg OL)

That IMO is damn near death sentence to walk into. That has resulted in Nebraska starting the youngest OL in program history this year. You can't do that in a league with this level of line play.

This is still a really young team at the end of the day. This programs best days should be ahead of it with this roster. When you are a school that needs to be a developmental school you can't be young and expect good things IMO.

The spot where they aren't young (defense) has shown to have a lot of progress.

Now that being said, there has been somethings that I wish I didn't see and why I can see a move coming...

1. I hate hearing "I don't know why we (fill in the blank)..."
2. I hate seeing bad game management... For example, the 3rd and 2 play call at mid field vs Illinois that resulted in the scoop and score. That should have been a run.
3. I really question personnel management.

I am not in or out on Frost. I think he needs to show improvement. What I am really looking for from him is execution of a plan to win games and managing games better. Basically being a better HC.

If we go into OU and I can see his plan and see him executing it I will be happy with him. OU is an extremely fast starting team so if we get punched right away and he shits his pants that wont be good. If we don't have a plan for OU's pass rush that wont be good. If we miss manage the middle 1/3rd that wont be good. etc....

Like I said I can see the argument for Frost given the youth on this team. Youth in football doesn't work when you need to be a developmental school. I am really looking at the things that matter regardless of the youth/talent of this team.

I’m torn because outside of Corcoran each of the OL has been in the program for 3(?) years?

Corcoran ‘20 RSFr (Freshman)
Piper ‘19 RSSo (RS Freshman)
Jurgens ‘18 RSJr (Sophomore)
Sichterman ‘17 RSSr (Junior)
Benhart ‘19 RSSo (RS Freshman)

I understand that ideally you want OL to develop and start in their Junior year or so. Have they just not had the time to develop?

 

[ChocaEgg]

Ok.. You can not accept it.. It still doesn't change the fact that this is the youngest OL in the 130 years of this program. So you come off as really ignorant.

How can it be a lack of recruiting for OL? 2019 was his first Full class. That class would be 3rd year players. That room was a 100% rebuild thanks to HCMR basically not recruiting anybody for 3 years. That is not enough time to be a developmental school to have a good OL. That is just a fact.

I don't really feel like the OL is the issue, at least not completely. We've had talent on the line since Frost took over.

If the inexperience was such a big deal then Frost and Austin should've addressed that early on by heavily targeting Juco players and transfers.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I don't really feel like the OL is the issue, at least not completely. We've had talent on the line since Frost took over.

Talent on the OL is an issue right now IMO. They were average (being generous) in 19/20. This year is about the sins of HCMR/Cav on the recruiting front.

If the inexperience was such a big deal then Frost and Austin should've addressed that early on by heavily targeting Juco players and transfers.

They did that.

Nebraska needs to be a developmental school and especially on the OL.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I’m torn because outside of Corcoran each of the OL has been in the program for 3(?) years?

Corcoran ‘20 RSFr (Freshman)
Piper ‘19 RSSo (RS Freshman)
Jurgens ‘18 RSJr (Sophomore)
Sichterman ‘17 RSSr (Junior)
Benhart ‘19 RSSo (RS Freshman)

I understand that ideally you want OL to develop and start in their Junior year or so. Have they just not had the time to develop?

Wisconsin is starting 4/5 RS Seniors. OU is starting 5/5 seniors. Cockeye is another good example. They are struggling on offense because they OL is down. They are starting 2 upperclassmen.

I also think they are making some dumb personnel choices on the OL. Pieper should not start unless he really ups his game.

 

[ChocaEgg]

Talent on the OL is an issue right now IMO. They were average (being generous) in 19/20. This year is about the sins of HCMR/Cav on the recruiting front.


They did that.

Nebraska needs to be a developmental school and especially on the OL.

The best line play we've gotten in the Frost era came in late 2018. I don't remember us targeting many Juco lineman or pursuing any transfers unless you count Noulli (non-scholarship for at least the first year) and Ezra (Freshman walkon with medical issues).

Those two were guys who may be able to contribute down the line at some point but not guys that were ready to play right away.

 

[Alcaus]

Wisconsin is starting 4/5 RS Seniors. OU is starting 5/5 seniors. Cockeyes is another good example. They are struggling on offense because they OL is down. They are starting 2 upperclassmen.

I also think they are making some dumb personnel choices on the OL. Pieper should not start unless he really ups his game.

I think if I look at Nebraska as a developmental school then that makes sense.

I'd be interested to see where our OL stacks nationally in terms of veterancy. Probably in the bottom half.

 

[ChocaEgg]

I think if I look at Nebraska as a developmental school then that makes sense.

I'd be interested to see where our OL stacks nationally in terms of veterancy. Probably in the bottom half.

I think there were 100 something FBS schools with more returning starts than we had.

 

[Cash68847]

Great examples. Tressel had over a decade of head coaching experience to prove he could develop talent and win. He also took over Ohio St., a team that wasn’t void of talent.

Day took over a top 3 team loaded with talent. Stoops took over a team loaded with talent recruited by John Blake. Blake just couldn’t coach. Riley took over a team that went 11-2 the previous two years and had a lot of talent.

None of them had to take over teams with significant issues or lack of talent.

Frost took over a team with talent issues and was dysfunctional. His lack of experience has been a detriment. If he hadn’t played at Nebraska, only a handful of people on here would have brought up his name to replace Riley and he most likely would have been fired already. He gets defended on here because he is homegrown and won a title. It sure and the hell can’t be for his actual performance.

You’re moving the goal posts. You said a blue blood shouldn’t be a place for someone without head coaching experience. Now you’re saying talent is a factor. Stoops was going to turn Oklahoma around one way or another. Luckily for him Blake left some talent, so things moved faster than anticipated. We will see with Day, but he is recruiting at such a high level OSU should always be solid under him. We just missed with Frost. We alsomissed last time with Riley a guy who would fit your criteria to be hired at Nebraska. You just never know how a coach will translate to a new school besides a couple guys.