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If we can give Hoiberg time why not Rhule?
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“ Best possible staff hires “ and “ best possible portal moves “ according to who??? You? Dannen? Our GM? Rhule? That’s a pretty big statement with a lot of grey area. Who makes that decision if it is the best possible?
I'm not saying it was a normal season but everyone pretty much had the same issues.
Idk man I had a few beers and it sounded good
I enjoyed it. @Blbmeb obviously isn’t drinking as much as he should be.
If only-they are headed for the annual Chicago/Miami/Atlanta Invitational Play-in for like the bazilyionth time.
so….fred was allowed to fuck up & was given multiple 2nd chances but not rhule? just let the guy coachNot to mention Matt Abdelmassih was fucking up the culture with constant overpromising and underdelivering on NIL for three years. (you can imagine what he was doing before NIL was allowed).
If you're wondering what this human parasite is up today, he's getting fired from st Johns for skimming off the top of NIL funds.
St. John’s fires men’s basketball GM Matt Abdelmassih, who was reportedly on administrative leave
“Look, it's never good to see people go, but in the eyes of the university, it was very warranted, so we move on,” coach Rick Pitino said.www.nytimes.com
So yes Fred had a rocky start but Matt on the other hand has had 3 full years of unrestricted access to any resource he needs. Despite this, we're rebuilding the trenches from scratch going into year 4........ and by rebuilding i mean we rebuilt the O line and did jack shit on the D line lol.
I didn't realize you cared so much about answering these questions. So here you go.
First, your data is wrong first off...because if the idea is "Fred sucked then did better, Rhule can to...Rhule sucks right now are they comparable??" not "how does Fred's successful season compare to Rhule's shitty season" you can't include this year, you have to compare Fred's suck to Rhule's suck and you have to use the same amount of time because again, the idea was there's more games against ranked teams in basketball.
Here's the actual for Fred:
24-25 4-3
23-24 2-4
22-23 1-2
Total 7-9
Fred got 16 opportunities in 3 years. Rhule got 9.
Are those equal? No. Nor did I claim they were. In fact I have even said here that Fred has done more than Matt with less.
Not to mention "ranked when they played them" is pretty dumb actually because it's often not indicative of how good they actually are vs at the end of the season, when they're fully exposed.
Then I saw teams that were inconsistent. A lot like Fred's first 4-5 years. Play well one game, play awful in another.
Now, do I think Rhule is going to put it together? Probably not, but most coaches ultimately fail. Do I think with 100% certainty he won't? Absolutely not.
Predicting coaching success is on a good day a crapshoot.
You hate Rhule, fine. Good for you. There have been signs of improving and changing like with Eck, like with ditching Satt, etc. etc.
You can also see the whiff on a high level DL or RB this cycle as gravely concerning. Both can be true. It's not black and white like you want it to be.
No.
First, your data is wrong first off...because if the idea is "Fred sucked then did better, Rhule can to...Rhule sucks right now are they comparable??" not "how does Fred's successful season compare to Rhule's shitty season" you can't include this year, you have to compare Fred's suck to Rhule's suck and you have to use the same amount of time because again, the idea was there's more games against ranked teams in basketball.
Here's the actual for Fred:
24-25 4-3
23-24 2-4
22-23 1-2
Total 7-9
Fred got 16 opportunities in 3 years. Rhule got 9.
Are those equal? No. Nor did I claim they were. In fact I have even said here that Fred has done more than Matt with less.
No, I said I'll never understood why some (might be you, might not) argue that beating ranked teams in a losing season is better than losing to ranked teams in a winning season.
Not to mention "ranked when they played them" is pretty dumb actually because it's often not indicative of how good they actually are vs at the end of the season, when they're fully exposed.
None, nor have I made that claim such a game exists. But again, fluky games in basketball happen because there's many many more games. For instance, Wisconsin beat #3 Michigan 10 days ago. Are they better? No. Not even close. But sometimes in basketball there's off nights that meet up with a team getting hot.
Yeah, I can. Michigan this year (yes, even in a loss). Cincy maybe even. Colorado last year.
Then I saw teams that were inconsistent. A lot like Fred's first 4-5 years. Play well one game, play awful in another.
Now, do I think Rhule is going to put it together? Probably not, but most coaches ultimately fail. Do I think with 100% certainty he won't? Absolutely not.
Predicting coaching success is on a good day a crapshoot.
You hate Rhule, fine. Good for you. There have been signs of improving and changing like with Eck, like with ditching Satt, etc. etc.
You can also see the whiff on a high level DL or RB this cycle as gravely concerning. Both can be true. It's not black and white like you want it to be.
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to an extent, yes. In practice, no. It’s like saying everyone in the league plays a Big Ten schedule so Nebraska and Wisconsin’s football schedules this past year were equal.
If you think beating unranked Cincinnati or losing to Michigan giving up 7 sacks and getting dominated at the LOS is the same as winning a road game against a top 10 team in program building I can’t help you. We will agree to disagree.
That's not even remotely close to what I said. You asked if there were games I could see the vision. Swing and a miss
It doesn't seem like you want to have an actual conversation about this.
Yes Fred does deserve blame for hiring Matty Abd-fuckface. Fred made a bad hire going into covid. BUT in the era of bball Fred was hired in NIL wasn't legal. you NEEDED a skeevy little dick head to pay players to come to your school. It wasn't the first time Fred used matt for this either. Fred had hired him at Cockeye state to do the same thing, with success. The problem really came when NIL became legal and players could actually complain to someone about getting fucked without admitting they took money.
All that to say, that hire is really not comparable to the dogshit hires Rhule has made.
Hires Rhule has no excuse for:
Satterfield (as Oc)
Bradden (yikes)
John Butler (as dc)
Retained Donovan Raiola 3 fucking times (mega yikes)
Ed Foley hired and retained once(super duper megas yikes)
I like Rhule personally but I'm starting to seriously doubt he's going to accomplish anything here besides establishing stability in the program for the next real coach to be hired.
Doesn't that alone warrant some patience? (Some being the operative word)
Big Cat from Barstool says it's on purpose. Spend just enough to get that one play in game to sell a few more tickets but not spend too much.
One of his most accurate takes. So easy to see through it, too, once you realize.
Let me be clear: I'm not calling for him to be fired (yet), I don't think we can even afford to fire him at this juncture even if it was practical to do so. But he's not going to get us anywhere near the CFP, even with infinite time. That much is clear.
The premise of this thread was dumb from the start. Its fucking stupid to compare the head coach of blueblood historic football program with a massive brand..... to the coach of a (objectively) poverty ass bottom of the barrel basketball program. Not to mention it is FAR easier to flip a basketball program year to year. Its just a stupid point of discussion. Its even dumber than the "if Curt ciggy can do it at indiana why can't Rhule?" Apples and oranges situations.
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