DR15

[HCFord1]

We lost because of 6 really bad mistakes, Raiola was a part of 2 of them.

- The muffed punt disaster
- The bad snap on the missed FG
- Neyor dropping a pass that would have put us in FG range
- Raiola overthrowing Lloyd for a TD
- Raiola's fumble on a strip sack where Benhart whiffs.
- The inability of the defense to tackle Johnson on that one play.

Any of those don't happen and we would have most likely won. Amazing collection of bad plays and they all had to happen for Cockeye to squeak out a win.

I wonder if Raiola was part of any plays that helped us have a chance to win the game.

The QB touches the ball of every play. If his worst mistake of the game is fumbling while getting sacked by a guy that essentially wasn’t touched by the OL, then he played a decent game.

 

[Stan Raymond]

I am surprised we didn’t take many shots.

I will say though, and @Faux Sean Callahan and I have been talking about this a ton, but there were about 3 plays that increase your total yardage and points and they were all there schemed up perfectly and we missed them.

1) Lloyd bomb
2) Sail route to Fidone
3) Neyor’s drop

Dana was feeling it early on in that game and he had Phil Parker completely guessing. Thats one thing Faux and I have talked about but I don’t think has been mentioned here; but Dana > Parker.

There was nothing Cockeye did on these three plays to stop us as they were totally fucked on all 3 of them. It was perfectly called.

Players have to make plays.

How is that different than when Satterfield was OC. We scored only 10 points and were held back by poor execution.

I don't want Satterfield back as OC, and am happy to have Holgorsen, but why is it "Players have to make plays" against Cockeye, but the poor offense in the 4 losses that Satterfield was OC for was a "playcalling issue".

Frankly I haven't seen a playcalling issue, but a poorly executing offense that makes some really bad mistakes at times.

 

[Stan Raymond]

I wonder if Raiola was part of any plays that helped us have a chance to win the game.

The QB touches the ball of every play. If his worst mistake of the game is fumbling while getting sacked by a guy that essentially wasn’t touched by the OL, then he played a decent game.

Of course he was. Not many when the offense only puts up 10 points. I wouldn't say that was his worse mistake, missing Lloyd for an easy TD was. I wouldn't single Raiola out for this loss, but he is certainly a part of it.

 

[...TrueColors...]

How is that different than when Satterfield was OC. We scored only 10 points and were held back by poor execution.

I don't want Satterfield back as OC, and am happy to have Holgorsen, but why is it "Players have to make plays" against Cockeye, but the poor offense in the 4 losses that Satterfield was OC for was a "playcalling issue".

Frankly I haven't seen a playcalling issue, but a poorly executing offense that makes some really bad mistakes at times.

Do we truly need to pull up the thread about how Satterfield’s dumbass literally telegraphed plays for the opposing defense?

As soon as we had enough film out this year you saw a clear regression and it had to do with the fact that the other team knew what we were running.

Watch Benhart - If he’s up, it’s a pass; if he’s down it’s a run.

Based on WR splits, defenses were able to identify which concepts needed to be defended. This is what the Ohio St DB was talking about.

Satterfield’s “scheme” or whatever you want to call it was vastly inferior to what Holgerson does. He is also a vastly inferior coach to every DC in the conference and once the scouts had the analytics they needed on us he proved he was incapable of adjusting.

Players have always needed to make plays. But it’s much easier when the opposing defense doesn’t know what those plays are pre-snap and when your OC is actually capable of scheming up plays for you to make.

Jamal Banks and Emmett Johnson also should sue Satterfield for gross negligence or malpractice. The idea we can’t identify who the best players are in a timely fashion was unacceptable.

 

[...TrueColors...]

We lost because of 6 really bad mistakes, Raiola was a part of 2 of them.

- The muffed punt disaster
- The bad snap on the missed FG
- Neyor dropping a pass that would have put us in FG range
- Raiola overthrowing Lloyd for a TD
- Raiola's fumble on a strip sack where Benhart whiffs.
- The inability of the defense to tackle Johnson on that one play.

Any of those don't happen and we would have most likely won. Amazing collection of bad plays and they all had to happen for Cockeye to squeak out a win.

The crazy part of this all is that the only play we are talking about Cockeye “making” there is the strip sack.

I hate losing as much as anyone; but if Cockeye lined up and simply out-executed us and Johnson busts one for 70 I would at least be able to say “He made a play.”

The fact is that was probably the worst tackling I’ve seen in 5 years from Nebraska. He didn’t make a play. We truly gave them a touchdown.

 

[Stan Raymond]

The crazy part of this all is that the only play we are talking about Cockeye “making” there is the strip sack.

I hate losing as much as anyone; but if Cockeye lined up and simply out-executed us and Johnson busts one for 70 I would at least be able to say “He made a play.”

The fact is that was probably the worst tackling I’ve seen in 5 years from Nebraska. He didn’t make a play. We truly gave them a touchdown.

Agreed, they didn't win the game, we lost it. We've seen that way to often the last decade.

 

[Stan Raymond]

Do we truly need to pull up the thread about how Satterfield’s dumbass literally telegraphed plays for the opposing defense?

As soon as we had enough film out this year you saw a clear regression and it had to do with the fact that the other team knew what we were running.

Watch Benhart - If he’s up, it’s a pass; if he’s down it’s a run.

Based on WR splits, defenses were able to identify which concepts needed to be defended. This is what the Ohio St DB was talking about.

Satterfield’s “scheme” or whatever you want to call it was vastly inferior to what Holgerson does. He is also a vastly inferior coach to every DC in the conference and once the scouts had the analytics they needed on us he proved he was incapable of adjusting.

Players have always needed to make plays. But it’s much easier when the opposing defense doesn’t know what those plays are pre-snap and when your OC is actually capable of scheming up plays for you to make.

Jamal Banks and Emmett Johnson also should sue Satterfield for gross negligence or malpractice. The idea we can’t identify who the best players are in a timely fashion was unacceptable.

Just funny how the narrative has changed from "Satterfield is bad OC" to the "Players need to make plays". When the execution has been the issue the whole time. We just frankly make to many mistakes on offense and it results in not scoring many points.

Don't get me wrong, I'm much happier with Holgorsen over Satterfield. I think he'll be a better playcaller, but where he will really help is during the week in practice and in putting the game plan together. I think he will greatly improve our execution.

But it's still humorous how the complaints have changed when the result (low scoring) and the problem (bad execution) are the same.

 

[slattimer]

We lost because of 6 really bad mistakes, Raiola was a part of 2 of them.

- The muffed punt disaster
- The bad snap on the missed FG
- Neyor dropping a pass that would have put us in FG range
- Raiola overthrowing Lloyd for a TD
- Raiola's fumble on a strip sack where Benhart whiffs.
- The inability of the defense to tackle Johnson on that one play.

Any of those don't happen and we would have most likely won. Amazing collection of bad plays and they all had to happen for Cockeye to squeak out a win.

It all stems from the muffed punt. Set off a chain of events. And allowed Cockeye to get back in the game when we completely dominated the game.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Just funny how the narrative has changed from "Satterfield is bad OC" to the "Players need to make plays". When the execution has been the issue the whole time. We just frankly make to many mistakes on offense and it results in not scoring many points.

Don't get me wrong, I'm much happier with Holgorsen over Satterfield. I think he'll be a better playcaller, but where he will really help is during the week in practice and in putting the game plan together. I think he will greatly improve our execution.

But it's still humorous how the complaints have changed when the result (low scoring) and the problem (bad execution) are the same.

There have been more than one problem:

1) Players executing
2) Satterfield not being good enough to be at any power five school as an OC.

#2 was handled

#1 is a work in progress

 

[Cash68847]

There have been more than one problem:

1) Players executing
2) Satterfield not being good enough to be at any power five school as an OC.

#2 was handled

#1 is a work in progress

South Carolina definitely benefited from losing Satterfield . They are a borderline playoff team today.

 

[HCFord1]

It all stems from the muffed punt. Set off a chain of events. And allowed Cockeye to get back in the game when we completely dominated the game.

I donno Latt, I feel like you’re giving Raiola a free pass here…

/s/

 

[HCFord1]

Of course he was. Not many when the offense only puts up 10 points. I wouldn't say that was his worse mistake, missing Lloyd for an easy TD was. I wouldn't single Raiola out for this loss, but he is certainly a part of it.

So his worst play, after touching the ball on every offensive snap, is that he missed a throw which did not result in a turnover. I mean, I’ll take that most weeks.

 

[...TrueColors...]

So his worst play, after touching the ball on every offensive snap, is that he missed a throw which did not result in a turnover. I mean, I’ll take that most weeks.

Then he makes some elite ones that extend drives and gives his team more chances.

I don’t think many realize the ridiculousness of expecting a true freshman QB to be a heisman finalist given the situations we put Raiola in.

 

[slattimer]

I donno Latt, I feel like you’re giving Raiola a free pass here…

/s/

Is that the infamous sarcasm font….lol.

 

[Cash68847]

Then he makes some elite ones that extend drives and gives his team more chances.

I don’t think many realize the ridiculousness of expecting a true freshman QB to be a heisman finalist given the situations we put Raiola in.

Raiola’s first year reminded me of Martinez’s first year. You saw the skill talent and potential. Hopefully he makes a big jump next year with Holgerson. We need to get more talent around him and things will hopefully take off. I just feel a lot better having Holgerson here. You know he can develop Raiola.

 

[Eaton Beaver]

So his worst play, after touching the ball on every offensive snap, is that he missed a throw which did not result in a turnover. I mean, I’ll take that most weeks.

He definitely had a part in us losing this game. Go back and watch the film... Now I'm with you guys on he is a freshman and we need him. But he missed a lot of throws and Dana called a awesome game.

 

[Stan Raymond]

So his worst play, after touching the ball on every offensive snap, is that he missed a throw which did not result in a turnover. I mean, I’ll take that most weeks.

When the offense only scores 10 points, the QB didn't have a great game.

I was never blaming Raiola for the loss, but his play is one of the reason that we lost. I don't know what to tell you, but Raiola is not blameless in this loss, but not the sole reason for the loss either. He wasn't terrible, but he wasn't very effective either. If Raiola played better we would have won the game, but that is true for a number of players.

 

[Cash68847]

When the offense only scores 10 points, the QB didn't have a great game.

I was never blaming Raiola for the loss, but his play is one of the reason that we lost. I don't know what to tell you, but Raiola is not blameless in this loss, but not the sole reason for the loss either. He wasn't terrible, but he wasn't very effective either. If Raiola played better we would have won the game, but that is true for a number of players.

The main issue was special teams. Do the little things people gloss over and you win the game. We knew points were going to be at a premium with Cockeye’s defense and the weather.

 

[HCFord1]

He definitely had a part in us losing this game. Go back and watch the film... Now I'm with you guys on he is a freshman and we need him. But he missed a lot of throws and Dana called an awesome game.

He didn’t miss a lot of throws, he missed a couple of throws. He also completed about 70% of his passes and didn’t throw an INT. Mixed in a few extremely clutch throws that extended drives and put what would’ve been the game winning throw right in front of his receiver’s facemask.

When the offense only scores 10 points, the QB didn't have a great game.

I was never blaming Raiola for the loss, but his play is one of the reason that we lost. I don't know what to tell you, but Raiola is not blameless in this loss, but not the sole reason for the loss either. He wasn't terrible, but he wasn't very effective either. If Raiola played better we would have won the game, but that is true for a number of players.

There’s not a player who saw the field who is blameless in the loss; that isn’t the point. The point is expectations that fans have put onto a true freshman to carry the team. Dylan made enough plays for us to win the game, and he did it on the road in a rivalry game against a very good defense in sub freezing temperatures. To come away from that game and say that he’s hurting the team with his play implies that we should be expecting perfection from him, because if he completes maybe 1-2 more passes then people on here would be saying he played a flawless game. That can’t be the expectation right now.

 

[Stan Raymond]

He didn’t miss a lot of throws, he missed a couple of throws. He also completed about 70% of his passes and didn’t throw an INT. Mixed in a few extremely clutch throws that extended drives and put what would’ve been the game winning throw right in front of his receiver’s facemask.

There’s not a player who saw the field who is blameless in the loss; that isn’t the point. The point is expectations that fans have put onto a true freshman to carry the team. Dylan made enough plays for us to win the game, and he did it on the road in a rivalry game against a very good defense in sub freezing temperatures. To come away from that game and say that he’s hurting the team with his play implies that we should be expecting perfection from him, because if he completes maybe 1-2 more passes then people on here would be saying he played a flawless game. That can’t be the expectation right now.

maybe I'm catching fire for something that somebody else said. Not sure.

Did Raiola play good enough to win. Yes. But he didn't play well enough to win the game. His mistakes were crucial and cost us the games, as did other player's mistakes.

J Bullock played a great game, but his mistake on the long Cockeye TD was a crucial mistake that cost us the game. No different than Raiola, they played good enough to win the game, but their mistakes were one of the reasons we lost.

Enough of the true Freshman stuff though. Raiola has started more games than Haarberg now. Raiola and Rhule chose to go with a true Freshman starting QB and have to accept the results. I expect and hope that Raiola will continue to improve and play better, but Raiola had some bad mistakes in the Cockeye game that cost us the win, that's just the way it is.

Not sure why we can't just talk about what happened instead of treating Raiola with kid gloves. He made mistakes that cost us the game, as did other players, just the way it is.