B1G + SEC Collab

[Herbie]

No, I think it’d be football only.

I don’t think it would really be legal with title 9
Unless you completely separated the football team with the university.

 

[Stan Raymond]

I could be wrong, but I would think that the NCAA would make it all or nothing.

NCAA doesn't control football the way it is. The NCAA doesn't control the playoffs and doesn't make money of it. Why would the NCAA make it all or nothing when they don't have much say in it anyway.

 

[Stan Raymond]

I don’t think it would really be legal with title 9
Unless you completely separated the football team with the university.

I don't think Title IX comes to play here.

We are talking about a playoff and scheduling and maybe a few rules for roster and salary issues that the B1G and SEC do separately for football. Basically making a new football division that just includes those two conferences.

 

[Herbie]

I don't think Title IX comes to play here.

We are talking about a playoff and scheduling and maybe a few rules for roster and salary issues that the B1G and SEC do separately for football. Basically making a new football division that just includes those two conferences.

Colleges still have to individually provide equal opportunities to all athletes.
They can’t just openly pay football players and not pay other.

 

[Stan Raymond]

Colleges still have to individually provide equal opportunities to all athletes.
They can’t just openly pay football players and not pay other.

sure they can. It's revenue share. So the sports that bring in revenue share it with the players. No revenue, no share. No way does that 22 million revenue share get divided equally among all athletes in the Athletic Department. The Olympic athletes better not want it, or you will see sports cancelled immediately. No AD with any sense is going to short the football team or Men's basketball team on revenue sharing, as those are the team that fund the whole department.

But what does that have to do with the B1G/SEC making their own football division?

 

[Herbie]

sure they can. It's revenue share. So the sports that bring in revenue share it with the players. No revenue, no share. No way does that 22 million revenue share get divided equally among all athletes in the Athletic Department. The Olympic athletes better not want it, or you will see sports cancelled immediately. No AD with any sense is going to short the football team or Men's basketball team on revenue sharing, as those are the team that fund the whole department.

But what does that have to do with the B1G/SEC making their own football division?

ADs don’t really get any say on how to compensate players, or mainly, who they can compensate.
Title 9 was created to protect mainly women’s rights to college as well as minor sports athletes.
Revenue sharing model doesn’t work if the university is receiving any type of federal funds

 

[herbsinator]

I don’t think it would really be legal with title 9
Unless you completely separated the football team with the university.

Title IX has nothing to do with it. They’d still have the other sports, just subject to a different governing body.

 

[Herbie]

Title IX has nothing to do with it. They’d still have the other sports, just subject to a different governing body.

Revenue sharing will require pay equity

With college athletes on cusp of revenue-sharing, there are Title IX questions that must be answered

The athlete pay system looming for college sports will bring questions about Title IX, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination for schools that receive federal funds.

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You cant just take a giant pile of cash and say this is just for x players

 

[herbsinator]

Revenue sharing will require pay equity

With college athletes on cusp of revenue-sharing, there are Title IX questions that must be answered

The athlete pay system looming for college sports will bring questions about Title IX, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination for schools that receive federal funds.

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You cant just take a giant pile of cash and say this is just for x players

Whether CFB is governed by a separate body or not doesn’t impact that.

 

[Stan Raymond]

Revenue sharing will require pay equity

With college athletes on cusp of revenue-sharing, there are Title IX questions that must be answered

The athlete pay system looming for college sports will bring questions about Title IX, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination for schools that receive federal funds.

apnews.com

You cant just take a giant pile of cash and say this is just for x players

Sure you can. Are college football coaches paid the same as college volleyball coaches? No, because they generate more revenue.

Be very interesting to see the breakdown of the 22 million going to players, how much the conference might establish a breakdown and then what the ADs do with it. But I see at least 75 percent going to football players.

Worst thing that can happen for these nonrevenue producing athletes is for it to be mandated that they receive an equal cut of the revenue share as ADs across the country will start cutting teams. Any athletic department that doesn't maximize that money towards football will be at a severe disadvantage.

But once again, revenue sharing and how it's going to be split is a different conversation. It has nothing to do with the B1G and the SEC making a separate football division.

 

[Herbie]

Sure you can. Are college football coaches paid the same as college volleyball coaches? No, because they generate more revenue.

Be very interesting to see the breakdown of the 22 million going to players, how much the conference might establish a breakdown and then what the ADs do with it. But I see at least 75 percent going to football players.

Worst thing that can happen for these nonrevenue producing athletes is for it to be mandated that they receive an equal cut of the revenue share as ADs across the country will start cutting teams. Any athletic department that doesn't maximize that money towards football will be at a severe disadvantage.

But once again, revenue sharing and how it's going to be split is a different conversation. It has nothing to do with the B1G and the SEC making a separate football division.

College coaches aren’t controlled by title 9.

There are ncaa minimums and ratios for male to female athletes they have to maintain

 

[Herbie]

In your cut down teams scenario Nebraska has 22 d1 teams. Fbs minimum is 16 teams.
If you wanted to go bare bones you are looking at axing teams like this. And you can’t cut any large women’s rosters or it would throw it out of whack. And not taking out beach volleyball since they are all in the volleyball team too.

Men’s Gymnastics
Men’s Golf
Men’s Tennis
Men’s wrestling
Women’s golf
Women’s tennis

 

[CornFed Gregger]

Revenue sharing will require pay equity

With college athletes on cusp of revenue-sharing, there are Title IX questions that must be answered

The athlete pay system looming for college sports will bring questions about Title IX, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination for schools that receive federal funds.

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You cant just take a giant pile of cash and say this is just for x players

if u can legally seperate it than u can. NBA has a big pile of cash & it doesn’t belong to the wnba, even this they use to give them some of it.

We knew this was coming since USC/UCLAbia/Texas/Oklahoma left their conferences. The big 12 is taking on private equity & looking at putting sponsorships wherever they can just to stay afloat for the next 5 years so there is definitely a way around title 9. The only thing I can think of is it benefits the conferences to use the other sports as leverage in bargaining like the nfl does with league minimum players & it’ll help em control football.

 

[Stan Raymond]

In your cut down teams scenario Nebraska has 22 d1 teams. Fbs minimum is 16 teams.
If you wanted to go bare bones you are looking at axing teams like this. And you can’t cut any large women’s rosters or it would throw it out of whack. And not taking out beach volleyball since they are all in the volleyball team too.

Men’s Gymnastics
Men’s Golf
Men’s Tennis
Men’s wrestling
Women’s golf
Women’s tennis

I'd be a bit nervous if I was on scholarship in some of those sports. Might be/probably be safe at Nebraska, but at G5 schools, good chance there are cuts coming.

Minimum programs needed is just an NCAA rule, it can be changed, might be discussed at these meeting the thread is about. College athletics as we know it is changing dramatically and quickly.

 

[Herbie]

if u can legally seperate it than u can. NBA has a big pile of cash & it doesn’t belong to the wnba, even this they use to give them some of it.

We knew this was coming since USC/UCLAbia/Texas/Oklahoma left their conferences. The big 12 is taking on private equity & looking at putting sponsorships wherever they can just to stay afloat for the next 5 years so there is definitely a way around title 9. The only thing I can think of is it benefits the conferences to use the other sports as leverage in bargaining like the nfl does with league minimum players & it’ll help em control football.

NBA doesn’t receive federal funding and have legislation telling them how to operate

 

[Baron Winnebago]

NBA doesn’t receive federal funding and have legislation telling them how to operate

Yet...

 

[CornFed Gregger]

NBA doesn’t receive federal funding and have legislation telling them how to operate

NBA piles money & legally says it’s for X players tho so let’s not act like there isn’t legal designations that cfb can’t utilize. The Student-athlete facade gets dropped & title 9 probably won’t be applicable to whatever model they have lined up

 

[whoboppin]

Ive accepted that our college football world will be changing. With that acceptance in mind, I think think this would be fun. Playing an SEC team every year would be pretty cool. I wonder how they would do this.

1. Home and Homes with an SEC team or is every year is a different team?
2. Is it going to be completely random, Pairing teams by finish, or just paired for TV ratings?
3. If they pairing by finish, Id assume each year they would try and mix it up so it wouldn't be Georgia or Bama vs OSU every year.
4. Are they going to prioritize certain matchups, ie Nebraska vs OU, Missouri, or Texas?

Seems like there would be a lot of questions to answer. But it would be fun if it actually happened. The chance to go to some SEC stadiums would be appealing to me. Going to the Swamp or the Grove would be sweet. We never get to really play those teams in the nonconference.

 

[Kaladin]

 

[Kazman5k]

Big ten and SEC execs to this proposal: