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Are you out on Rhule?

Are you out

  • In

    Votes: 35 49.3%
  • Out

    Votes: 33 46.5%
  • I'd rather root for Cockeye

    Votes: 3 4.2%

  • Total voters
    71
Then if these things were so easy to see, why didn’t we see them? Stupidity? Incompetence? Both? Some other reason?

I’m not being harsh on you. I’m just not willing to believe that ADs know someone sucks and hires them anyways and it’s always obvious for us fans to see to the point that we’d be better off if we ran things.
I think it’s a crap shoot hiring a coach in the first place and college football has evolved so much in a short period of time. Let’s be honest we all thought Riley wouldn’t work from the beginning. It took a PR campaign to get people pumped about a coach most Husker fans had no clue about. Hiring a coach like Frost was a bigger roll of the dice than we wanted to admit because a lot of the lower conference hot coaches don’t work out in the Big conferences. Rhule also wasn’t a slam dunk because he never sustained success at any stop. He had one big season and jumped to another team. Also teams like Miami, FSU, Texas, and Florida have had plenty off misses at coach in recent history. It’s not just a Nebraska thing.
 
I think it’s a crap shoot hiring a coach in the first place and college football has evolved so much in a short period of time. Let’s be honest we all thought Riley wouldn’t work from the beginning. It took a PR campaign to get people pumped about a coach most Husker fans had no clue about. Hiring a coach like Frost was a bigger roll of the dice than we wanted to admit because a lot of the lower conference hot coaches don’t work out in the Big conferences. Rhule also wasn’t a slam dunk because he never sustained success at any stop. He had one big season and jumped to another team. Also teams like Miami, FSU, Texas, and Florida have also had plenty off misses at coach in recent history. It’s not just a Nebraska thing.
Yes.

Difference is we have extended coaches instead of cutting bait.

Those other blue blood types move much more quickly than we have, and that means in 8 years they’ve had 3 chances to hit where we’ve only had 2.

Texas got their guy. UF trying again, FSU will try again next year all while we’re stuck with what we know won’t ever work.
 
I think it’s a crap shoot hiring a coach in the first place and college football has evolved so much in a short period of time. Let’s be honest we all thought Riley wouldn’t work from the beginning. It took a PR campaign to get people pumped about a coach most Husker fans had no clue about. Hiring a coach like Frost was a bigger roll of the dice than we wanted to admit because a lot of the lower conference hot coaches don’t work out in the Big conferences. Rhule also wasn’t a slam dunk because he never sustained success at any stop. He had one big season and jumped to another team. Also teams like Miami, FSU, Texas, and Florida have also had plenty off misses at coach in recent history. It’s not just a Nebraska thing.

We’re getting off on a different subject but an important one. I am not always right. You do the message board thing for as long as I have and put thousands of “takes” in writing you’re going to be wrong a lot.

The biggest indicator for me on coaches is who they hire to come with them. To me Rhule was a good hire. But his first staff was awful and it’s caused us to be here. Had he nailed his first staff we aren’t here.
 
Frost lost to Georgia Southern let’s not get carried away here

I guess the optimistic take is that the only 'bad' loss this season was to Minnesota. Michigan, USC, Cockeye, and Utah are all ranked, while Penn State is a strong team that had one of the wildest mid-season collapses of all time. Even Minnesota finished 8-5 - they're not exactly terrible. Certainly nowhere near Georgia Southern level...
 
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Then if these things were so easy to see, why didn’t we see them? Stupidity? Incompetence? Both? Some other reason?

I’m not being harsh on you. I’m just not willing to believe that ADs know someone sucks and hires them anyways and it’s always obvious for us fans to see to the point that we’d be better off if we ran things.
The ADs think they’re doing right by the program but they’re human and make mistakes. You can see countless examples every day of people in leadership positions making terrible decisions.

I think most people could see Riley was a bad hire from the moment it was announced. Some of those eternal optimists out there convinced themselves otherwise I guess.

Frost wasn’t a bad hire, but we could’ve taken quicker action once it was obvious it wasn’t going to work out.

Rhule seems to be somewhere in the middle. The “program-builder” promise was appealing for sure but on the other hand the game had changed a ton since he left and he was coming off a god awful stint in the pros. Even with the negatives most people gave him an honest benefit of the doubt, but IMO we need to seriously consider how much more time we want to invest in the guy vs thanking him for getting us out of the doldrums and seeing what the next guy can do.
 
We’re getting off on a different subject but an important one. I am not always right. You do the message board thing for as long as I have and put thousands of “takes” in writing you’re going to be wrong a lot.

The biggest indicator for me on coaches is who they hire to come with them. To me Rhule was a good hire. But his first staff was awful and it’s caused us to be here. Had he nailed his first staff we aren’t here.
And to add insult to injury he paid his first staff top money when most wouldn’t have got a comparable job at other places. I had no issue with spending whatever on a coaching staff, but most of them shouldn’t have been hired at a place like Nebraska.
 
We’re getting off on a different subject but an important one. I am not always right. You do the message board thing for as long as I have and put thousands of “takes” in writing you’re going to be wrong a lot.

The biggest indicator for me on coaches is who they hire to come with them. To me Rhule was a good hire. But his first staff was awful and it’s caused us to be here. Had he nailed his first staff we aren’t here.
I mean where are the major programs that fire coaches after year three?

MSU, Auburn, Oregon State, UCLA, VTech, Purdue… Napier and Mullen had fourth seasons. Feels like the hire and fire strategy isn’t as prevalent as people like to think.

Offering giant contract extensions probably needs to be rethought in this new era.
 
Still out. Unfortunately it looks like right now one (if the wheels come completely off) to two more years of a lame duck coach.

I hope I'm wrong. I do like the new coaches hires but I think they might be too late. Going to need to make a lot of moves in the portal to be a respectable team next year and still need a good DL coach hire.

Those arguing Frost vs Rhule it's like trying to pick the skinniest kid at fat camp at this point.
 
Idk but the track record of shitting the bed in the second half of the season is definitely there.

Here it is, minus the 1-11 season at Baylor in 2017, no sense in including that disaster

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2023 was brutal. I guess Rhule is building a track record. Atleast he is setting up life after coaching with podcasting.
 
I mean where are the major programs that fire coaches after year three?

MSU, Auburn, Oregon State, UCLA, VTech, Purdue… Napier and Mullen had fourth seasons. Feels like the hire and fire strategy isn’t as prevalent as people like to think.

Offering giant contract extensions probably needs to be rethought in this new era.
Great points. Add that coaches are starting to take leaps in year 4 (McGuire at Tech, Lea at Vandy) and we’re looking at a new era of analyzing college coaches.

Not saying that guarantees Rhule making a huge improvement next year but our historical arguments probably need to be updated.
 
I mean where are the major programs that fire coaches after year three?

MSU, Auburn, Oregon State, UCLA, VTech, Purdue… Napier and Mullen had fourth seasons. Feels like the hire and fire strategy isn’t as prevalent as people like to think.

Offering giant contract extensions probably needs to be rethought in this new era.

The key is the mitigating language. PSU isn’t going to pay Franklin 50m because he had a duty to go get another job.

This issue with Matt Rhule would be is if you fired him now or after next year his market value takes a giant hit and he’s not taking comparable pay somewhere else. His days of making 8m a year are over and we’re on the hook for sizable money.

Franklin’s case was different. He’d done well enjoy that he was going to find a job for the same money.
 
I think this is a myth people use to explain to themselves why he doesn’t match their memories of him at Oklahoma State.

And if it were true that he’s still running an offense he doesn’t believe in after more than a year of being in charge of it, then that alone means he’s not the guy.
 
He’s not running any part of his actual offense. This is still Satt’s dumb crap. That’s how stupid Rhule is.
And then when you research new OL coach Geep Wades history with Satterfield it doesnt make you feel any better

I still think Satt witnessed Rhule banging some coeds in the office like 10 years ago or something, dude is untochable
 
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