Any cops on here?

[Faux Sean Callahan]

I had some questions about this shooting in Minnesota and how it should be handled.

• From my understanding....
  • They pulled over the car for improper registration.
  • They then found out he had a warrant.
    • Do they tell you what the warrant is for?
      • If yes, how in detail do they go? Do they just say misdemeanor or do they say it is for he missed court for illegally carrying a pistol?
        • If yes, does that justify having your pistol drawn when he struggles and goes to reach to the other side of the car?
  • They go to detain the suspect. He struggles and goes into the car. When he turns and reaches to the other side of the car does that justify using lethal force knowing he has priors with pistols? Or do they have to show intent to use a lethal weapon?

To me I am always full...

It seems like to me if I am a cop in that situation I probably have my pistol drawn assuming they knew he had the warrant and what it was for. I think having your taser is almost a mistake because if he turns with a gun that is not a good situation. Maybe my thinking is wrong.

 

[Jim14510]

Stupid fucker just lets the cop put cuffs on and everyone goes home happy. May be a little while before criminal gets to go home.

 

[Grits and Gravy]

 

[Kaladin]

Minnesota is a blue state. I hope the whole state burns to the ground. People getting what they voted for.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Fauxx Sean ready to protect and serve

 

[Huskerbuck85]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Thugs (of all color) should know by now that this is a potential outcome if you do not do as asked by the officer.

 

[Goskers07]

• Take all this for what it's worth, as Nebraska and Minnesota can and likely do have different laws and procedures, but I'll give it a shot:
• They then found out he had a warrant.
  • Do they tell you what the warrant is for? (They can, but depending on the dispatcher you may have to work to get it from em.)
    • If yes, how in detail do they go? Do they just say misdemeanor or do they say it is for he missed court for illegally carrying a pistol? (Again, just depends on how good the dispatcher is and how much information they get from the agency that issued the warrant. But generally, you can get the full reason.)
      • If yes, does that justify having your pistol drawn when he struggles and goes to reach to the other side of the car? (Case by case basis. Without seeing a weapon, maybe not necessarily have him drawn down on, but maybe have you're weapon unholstered.)
• They go to detain the suspect. He struggles and goes into the car. When he turns and reaches to the other side of the car does that justify using lethal force knowing he has priors with pistols? Or do they have to show intent to use a lethal weapon? (This is the part that is the grayest and that everyone gets pissed about. But in my opinion, if you can reasonably justify and articulate your suspicion that he was reaching for a weapon, then yes, it is justified.)

To me, the biggest problem in all this is actually the lack of training. She very clearly intended to use her taser. But for whatever reason, she drew duty weapon and was unable to recognize the difference. To me, that shows a lack of training in stressful environments. She was not comfortable, despite her years of service, in a high stress situation to the point where she was unable to think straight enough to recognize the difference between a taser and a handgun.

A question I have that I haven't looked up yet, does Minnesota have a law on where a taser is to be carried? In Nebraska, I believe it is state law, but at minimum it is a pretty common agency policy that a taser be a cross draw weapon on the opposite side of the duty weapon.

 

[herbsinator]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Thugs (of all color) should know by now that this is a potential outcome if you do not do as asked by the officer.

What a great country we live in. Some guy with a GED gets to decide whether I live or die.

 

[jw3]

most of the people being shot are acting dumb as fuck but also most cops pretty much suck as well.

 

[TrentMilfer]

At least the officer only wanted to taser the suspect and not kill them

 

[Jim14510]

most of the people being shot are acting dumb as fuck but also most cops pretty much suck as well.

/thread

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

• Take all this for what it's worth, as Nebraska and Minnesota can and likely do have different laws and procedures, but I'll give it a shot:
• They then found out he had a warrant.
  • Do they tell you what the warrant is for? (They can, but depending on the dispatcher you may have to work to get it from em.)
    • If yes, how in detail do they go? Do they just say misdemeanor or do they say it is for he missed court for illegally carrying a pistol? (Again, just depends on how good the dispatcher is and how much information they get from the agency that issued the warrant. But generally, you can get the full reason.)
      • If yes, does that justify having your pistol drawn when he struggles and goes to reach to the other side of the car? (Case by case basis. Without seeing a weapon, maybe not necessarily have him drawn down on, but maybe have you're weapon unholstered.)
• They go to detain the suspect. He struggles and goes into the car. When he turns and reaches to the other side of the car does that justify using lethal force knowing he has priors with pistols? Or do they have to show intent to use a lethal weapon? (This is the part that is the grayest and that everyone gets pissed about. But in my opinion, if you can reasonably justify and articulate your suspicion that he was reaching for a weapon, then yes, it is justified.)

To me, the biggest problem in all this is actually the lack of training. She very clearly intended to use her taser. But for whatever reason, she drew duty weapon and was unable to recognize the difference. To me, that shows a lack of training in stressful environments. She was not comfortable, despite her years of service, in a high stress situation to the point where she was unable to think straight enough to recognize the difference between a taser and a handgun.

A question I have that I haven't looked up yet, does Minnesota have a law on where a taser is to be carried? In Nebraska, I believe it is state law, but at minimum it is a pretty common agency policy that a taser be a cross draw weapon on the opposite side of the duty weapon.

Yaaa like the training aspect is one thing, but I was curious if lethal force was justified in the eyes of a cop here.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

What a great country we live in. Some guy with a GED gets to decide whether I live or die.

Oh I must've missed the part where the cop resisted arrest. Nah he chose to put himself in that situation.

 

[herbsinator]

Oh I must've missed the part where the cop resisted arrest. Nah he chose to put himself in that situation.

We all must do what cops say no matter what or they will kill us. Awesome.

 

[BingoDingo]

I guess I'm old fashioned or whatever, but I think the vast, vast majority of people think that folks shouldn't resist arrest and cops should refrain from killing folks unless absolutely necessary. I'm also assuming the vast majority of people expect a cop to know the difference between their taser and their service weapon. Idk. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Red Finger]

We all must do what cops say no matter what or they will kill us. Awesome.

Are you suggesting that we, in general, don't have to respect authority if we don't agree with what the a police officer says?

 

[Jim14510]

I guess I'm old fashioned or whatever, but I think the vast, vast majority of people think that folks shouldn't resist arrest and cops should refrain from killing folks unless absolutely necessary. I'm also assuming the vast majority of people expect a cop to know the difference between their taser and their service weapon. Idk. Maybe I'm wrong.

I fit in the vast majority category here but not sure its really vast majority.

 

[BingoDingo]

I fit in the vast majority category here but not sure its really vast majority.

I think it's probably in the high 80s-low 90s.

 

[Jim14510]

I think it's probably in the high 80s-low 90s.

I would hope so but not quite as optimistic. I'd say 70ish.

 

[herbsinator]

Are you suggesting that we, in general, don't have to respect authority if we don't agree with what the a police officer says?

No, that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that resisting arrest or failing to comply with a police officer’s instructions should not be punishable by death. Clearly there are instances where deadly force is warranted, but to hand waive away any police shooting because the victim was “resisting arrest” is pretty morally bankrupt.